[OOC] Time's a Changing - a Steampunk NRP set in a Psuedo-Earth

[PolishKing]

If I may take this off topic a bit can someone (Duck or Alfhedil) please either tell me whats wrong with my app or if I'm accepted or not.

[Alfhedil]

Wow. Just.... Wow. Come the fuck on people, this is why the NRP section is a cesspit. Get off your bias, your grudges and whatever preconceived notions of "the best RP" it is you have, and try not to shit up yet another NRP. Mindlessly bickering over who has what grudge, or trying to foist some inane idea unto the GM and make yourself the victim only drags everyone else down.



@PolishKing I read over your app from top to bottom, and I'll say exactly what it is that bothers Duck, and it's something I noticed yet passed over. The military section reads a bit strong, with a pretty tight focus on showing how advanced the nation is militarily. Most of it I just apathied past, as it doesn't really pose a concern to me, and I know that sheer technological power doesn't equate to military victory in any sense. My only real concern is that you seem to have set yourself up as completely self-reliant when it comes to the fantasy-resource. I too have a technocracy type of nation, but leave them to be more reliant on the outside world for their resources. What's the fun in having wonderous technologies and such if you have absolutely no need to trade for the resources that power them and build relations with foreign countries? Furthermore, I think it sets a dangerous precedent for one person to say how they have "large reserves" of "x", as in the past I have seen multiple apps following such NS' which state mostly the same. Regardless of how amazing this resource is, it is finite(At least I think it is...) and so we can't all have large mines of it. In truth, I would prefer that no player nation have a large source of the resource, and instead leave it to NPC nations so as to see about fostering a greater narrative. Beyond that, I don't see this RP as a game to be won, and I sincerely hope that no one else is here under that assumption. If you are, get out and go one section lower or two sections higher. Arena or Table-top games will be more suitable to you, and probably more welcoming to the attitude of who has the bigger e-penis.

[PolishKing]

Wow. Just.... Wow. Come the fuck on people, this is why the NRP section is a cesspit. Get off your bias, your grudges and whatever preconceived notions of "the best RP" it is you have, and try not to shit up yet another NRP. Mindlessly bickering over who has what grudge, or trying to foist some inane idea unto the GM and make yourself the victim only drags everyone else down.



@PolishKing I read over your app from top to bottom, and I'll say exactly what it is that bothers Duck, and it's something I noticed yet passed over. The military section reads a bit strong, with a pretty tight focus on showing how advanced the nation is militarily. Most of it I just apathied past, as it doesn't really pose a concern to me, and I know that sheer technological power doesn't equate to military victory in any sense. My only real concern is that you seem to have set yourself up as completely self-reliant when it comes to the fantasy-resource. I too have a technocracy type of nation, but leave them to be more reliant on the outside world for their resources. What's the fun in having wonderous technologies and such if you have absolutely no need to trade for the resources that power them and build relations with foreign countries? Furthermore, I think it sets a dangerous precedent for one person to say how they have "large reserves" of "x", as in the past I have seen multiple apps following such NS' which state mostly the same. Regardless of how amazing this resource is, it is finite(At least I think it is...) and so we can't all have large mines of it. In truth, I would prefer that no player nation have a large source of the resource, and instead leave it to NPC nations so as to see about fostering a greater narrative. Beyond that, I don't see this RP as a game to be won, and I sincerely hope that no one else is here under that assumption. If you are, get out and go one section lower or two sections higher. Arena or Table-top games will be more suitable to you, and probably more welcoming to the attitude of who has the bigger e-penis.

@Alfhedil

Thank you for telling me what is wrong, I just wrote that up with my military because I had nothing to think of (In my opinion the military section should be the smallest section if if it has to be there at all) and that was the only thing I could think of.

[Alfhedil]

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Thank you for telling me what is wrong, I just wrote that up with my military because I had nothing to think of (In my opinion the military section should be the smallest section if if it has to be there at all) and that was the only thing I could think of.

@PolishKing

Eh, like I said it wasn't really that big of a sticking point to me. I've distanced myself from the school of thought where the player with the best toys and biggest most awesome military is the top dog. It gets old, and I do like that you've stuck to your principle there. One thing that I like to do, and that I actually picked up from an old RP partner, is to avoid absolutes when describing anything about your nation. Things like "the most" and such, it leaves more room for other people to stand beside you, rather than below or above you. All in all, it's a solid app in my opinion with only a few little things that stand out to me personally.

[PolishKing]

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Eh, like I said it wasn't really that big of a sticking point to me. I've distanced myself from the school of thought where the player with the best toys and biggest most awesome military is the top dog. It gets old, and I do like that you've stuck to your principle there. One thing that I like to do, and that I actually picked up from an old RP partner, is to avoid absolutes when describing anything about your nation. Things like "the most" and such, it leaves more room for other people to stand beside you, rather than below or above you. All in all, it's a solid app in my opinion with only a few little things that stand out to me personally.

@Alfhedil

Just one final question, am I accepted or not?

[MrFoxNews]

I'd just really love to get through an RP without it depending into the same bickering I've seen for over a year now.

Duck while I think you are a great roleplayer you need to seriously work on your people skills.
You think out of your mouth sometimes and that's not how a GM should act when talking to a possible player.

[Opposition]

I'd love to hop into this RP and I can have an app up relatively soon. I've not decided yet, but I'd love to take some land in Northern Pseudo-Africa if there's no problem with that.

[Willy Vereb]

Alright everyone, mellow yer' mammaries. I've got opinions regarding Duck too, and I also have opinions regarding the situation. Personally I think that Duck is being overly hostile, and letting grudges control his actions. Whoop-de-doo. Now can we just move what is quickly becoming a heated argument over into a PM, and leave the OOC for focusing on the RP itself? It's these kinds of arguments that always plague these kinds of roleplays, and I tend to peg them with killing it off. So please, let's just calm down in here. I'll even make PM for y'all to argue in, but arguing over who holds a grudge or not isn't related to the RP.

Please, can we not screw this one up?

@Keyguyperson

Reposting for emphasis.
I made the point about not continuing such an argument to prevent this from clogging up the OOC. Especially when I apparently don't even participate in it.
If somebody is dissatisfied with the way things are and think I would spinelessly turn away from this argument with a sense of faux victory... just hit me up in PMs and I tend to you. I refuse to make further comments in this thread for the sake of avoiding to ruin this game, nothing else.

For the record I have no beef against Duck and wish the feelings would be mutual. Regardless, I said what I did say. No changing it and I wish if Duck does consider them a bit.

Anyways, if we are at steampunk I quickl suggest a change of topic. What kind of steampunk techs everyone came up with? It's sharing time!

I read over your app from top to bottom, and I'll say exactly what it is that bothers Duck, and it's something I noticed yet passed over. The military section reads a bit strong, with a pretty tight focus on showing how advanced the nation is militarily. Most of it I just apathied past, as it doesn't really pose a concern to me, and I know that sheer technological power doesn't equate to military victory in any sense. My only real concern is that you seem to have set yourself up as completely self-reliant when it comes to the fantasy-resource. I too have a technocracy type of nation, but leave them to be more reliant on the outside world for their resources. What's the fun in having wonderous technologies and such if you have absolutely no need to trade for the resources that power them and build relations with foreign countries? Furthermore, I think it sets a dangerous precedent for one person to say how they have "large reserves" of "x", as in the past I have seen multiple apps following such NS' which state mostly the same. Regardless of how amazing this resource is, it is finite(At least I think it is...) and so we can't all have large mines of it. In truth, I would prefer that no player nation have a large source of the resource, and instead leave it to NPC nations so as to see about fostering a greater narrative. Beyond that, I don't see this RP as a game to be won, and I sincerely hope that no one else is here under that assumption.

@Alfhedil

Most resources being held by an NPC sounds like a fun intraction but only if the said NPC is controlled by the GMs.
Though I don't see large resource pool being a problem so long it doesn't lead to a "Mary Sueish" situation where your nation is the bestest because it can dominate anyone without any sorts of support.
Of course that's up for the GMs to regulate.
Players trading their resources sounds perhaps even more fun than doing it with NPCs.

[MrFoxNews]

I actually had a question regarding the America's, is it alright if we have some fantastical wildlife to hamper colonization efforts?

I was thinking giant killer worms or something of the sort alongside the Native humans.

[PolishKing]

I actually had a question regarding the America's, is it alright if we have some fantastical wildlife to hamper colonization efforts?

I was thinking giant killer worms or something of the sort alongside the Native humans.

@MrFoxNews

Mongolian Death Worms could be fun.

[null123]

I actually had a question regarding the America's, is it alright if we have some fantastical wildlife to hamper colonization efforts?

I was thinking giant killer worms or something of the sort alongside the Native humans.

@MrFoxNews

I am going to say no. I want to limit the more fantastical elements to blue coal and the technology.

@Willy Vereb

If your not planning on joining, I rather you stay out of the OOC.

[gowia]

The Imperial Lancian Archipelago States

Name of Nation:

The Imperial Lancian Archipelago States

Territory:


The Green

Description of Government:

The Imperial Lancian Archipelago States is the colonial possession of the Lancian Empire and so has a Colonial Government that is directly under the rule of the Lancian monarchy. The Colonial Government is headed by the Pro-Duke/Duchess, shorthand of Provincial Duke/Duchess. This position is taken by someone chosen by the Kaiser every 5 years, and holds the power of the Kaiser in the colony due to their monarch’s absence. The Pro-Duke/Duchess however is just one individual and so delegates the day to day running of the colony to a number of Ministries, each with their own department of expertise and magistracies that are chosen by the Pro-Duke/Duchess from those in the colonies, and those in Lancia who wish to put themselves forward for a colonial position. Beneath the Ministries are two houses. The House of Freeman and the House of the Assembly. The House of Freemen is where local constituencies send representatives to discuss the needs of the people and propose bills and subjects for the Ministries. However the House of Freemen actually holds no power, and the only thing passing a motion assures, is that the government must address the matter and release a statement, even if their response is to ignore the subject. The House of the Assembly is more of a platform than a political establishment. Here every citizen of the Imperial Lancian Archipelago States has the right to voice their opinions and concerns, as well as magistrates having the right to release public addresses without fear of recrimination for doing so. In both Houses representatives of the Pro-Duke/Duchess must be present for the business to begin, and this normally happens daily, unless circumstance means that the Government are unable to do so, such as during times of crisis.

Description of Economy:

The Imperial Lancian Archipelago States has the economy of a banana republic. Vast swathes of land are farmed through plantations, mined heavily and forested creating a huge section of working class citizens. Producing raw materials on a vast scale in comparison to their other goods. Whilst actual industry and processing of raw materials is desperately lacking, making a minute middle class. The number of factories is derisory and the seemingly national focus on producing goods to ship home makes the States less than appealing to capitalist investors due to the unfavourable policies imposed. In wealth the States are still quite well off as a majority of costs are fed back into the Lancian Empire, and more favourable tariffs mean that States produced goods are snapped up, much to the benefit of the colonial treasury. However, the state is so reliant on importing their manufactured goods, and exporting unprocessed ones that economists predict downfall for the economy if it falls too far behind competition from the ‘Old World’ and is unable to modernise.

Description of Culture:

The majority of citizens in the Imperial Lancian Archipelago States are Lancian colonists, with a smattering of assimilated natives and a minute number of generations of colony born citizens. However of the total population, the majority are not citizens. ‘Readjusted’, or non-citizen native peoples, are a majority of the population, with little to no rights as they work tirelessly on the fields and down the mines to continue keeping the cogs moving on the industrial machine that a colony is supposed to be. As such cities and towns come in fairly uniform nature, with a plain solid structures of little aesthetic value making up the city proper, well thought out in organisation and being home to the citizens of the colony, the hubs of business and seat administration. Outside of most major towns though there are desolate slums, shanty towns of thin wood and palms are the homes of the Readjusted.

For citizens life is fairly good, whilst most are working class. They are an upper working class, foreman and the like, with enough money to feed and clothe their families, and a little to spend at the end. Beer halls and cheap shows are normally held in most towns and are very popular with the people, some of whom pine to return to Lancia. The minority of citizens who are rich enough to own the land or businesses actually reside in estates out of the cities, or buy up large plots to build manors. These people live in great luxury, with the finest goods imported from Lancia as well as making use of elaborate establishments of culture for the more high brow shows.

For the Readjusted, life is hardship. Barred from entering city limits during certain hours of the day, the readjusted are forced to live and work outside of the cities in whatever clothes and homes they can fashion themselves. Public gatherings are criminal acts for these people and every one is required to carry a permit to work during the few hours they are allowed into cities to buy the food and goods they need to survive.

Religiously Adasim is the official following, and many stick to this teaching. However a small sect of Adasists have watered the teachings down, intermingling it with the Animalist religion of the natives to form Natural-Adasimism. Meanwhile Adasim has proven very unpopular with the native populations and in attempts to subdue discontent, forcible conversion is stamped out quickly, allowing the native people to maintain their right to religion keeps many in a slightly more contented place.

Finally the Imperial Lancian Archipelago States has had little to add to the global culture and art world, some paintings of note and even a royal symphony a number of years ago. But not much else, the previous Pro-Duke called it a ‘travesty of extraordinary proportions’ but did little to alleviate it.

Description of Military:

The military mirrors that of the Lancian Empire, divided into the three different branches. However where it does differ is on its effectiveness. The land forces of the States are trained to be more amphibious than that of traditional forces, allowing for the fact the States are mostly broken up islands, and as such the purely land based units are mainly tight knit groups tasked with protecting key locations and sent from Lancia directly. The navy is by far the largest of any colony, and is heavily invested into at the cost of other facets. Armadas of well maintained ships patrol the waters of the States like clockwork, keeping the shipping routes and waters there completely monopolised with protection agreements and the like, causing money to flow in. Lastly the air force is totally underfunded. Whilst it would make sense to use the air in tandem with the sea, no infrastructure for maintaining an air fleet has been implemented and as such leaves any real advanced aircraft unmaintainable and the numbers maintained thoroughly underwhelming.

History:

The Imperial Lancian Archipelago States has a short history, but it is one that is filled with some 'questionable' periods. During the rise of the Kingdom of Prukin, landfall was made by the coloniser Dietrich Hanz-Shcroder at the current site of the capital city, Achriposkin upon the charter that he had the right to create a state of colony in the islands nearby. Here three ships worth of settlers begun to build a 'utopia' in the New World. Early efforts were fruitful and the colony was one of the fastest growing in the New World. However, with faster progress, come bigger problems and as the borders of the colony spread, contact was made with the native populations. At first progress halted completely, people had not expected to find human life on the island. However progress halts for very little and before long the Secretary of the Archipelago declared them 'sub-human' and 'appropriate for extermination as is every pest'. This led to a process of organised killings. Mobs of settlers were armed and incited to go to nearby villages, killing everyone they came across. This time was jumpy and angry, propaganda was produced painting the natives as animals and free to hunt for the settlers. But this process was messy and more often than not burning villages started fires that were expensive to put out. And so once the States begun spreading to new islands, a new policy of 'Readjustment' begun. The natives were 'investigated' by a team of scientists over the course of a number of years and after extensive research found the natives to in fact be a less developed version of humankind, their own group. And as such needed their own rights in this state. They were declared a property of the colony and a resource to be traded and used. Now the Archipelago had a more effective way of controlling the natives who opposed them. The unreleased violence of people was replaced with coordinated efforts of Lancian forces in forcing the natives into servitude. With the native population dealt with, Lancia felt that more federated control would be appropriate for better administration and faster growth. The Pro-Dukeship was established within the Lancian Court and the position became one to covet as the Readjusted natives work paid fruits in the form of wealth. In recent years the States have filled in the remaining islands that were part of the original charter from the crown and directed more towards the efforts of colonising the mainland, however work here is slow. And no real valid reasons have been given for their taking of this land.

Other: N/A

Want to get mine up so I have claimed my land and my intent to stay is known :)

@gowia

Right my sheet is finished, can I please get some notes if I have anything that is wrong, and is not. Can I get some confirmation that I am in.

[null123]

And your fine.

Edit:If you get accepted, drop your app into the char tab.

[Rhymer]

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Right my sheet is finished, can I please get some notes if I have anything that is wrong, and is not. Can I get some confirmation that I am in.

@gowia

I'm confused. Is the Lancian Empire just a colony? Where is the Home Nation in Algaesia of the Lancian Empire? Also, The Matwe Confederation will have a vague notion of your hostility towards natives-nothing specific due to the distance between Lancia and Matwe proper.

[null123]

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I'm confused. Is the Lancian Empire just a colony? Where is the Home Nation in Algaesia of the Lancian Empire? Also, The Matwe Confederation will have a vague notion of your hostility towards natives-nothing specific due to the distance between Lancia and Matwe proper.

@Rhymer

The Lancian Empire is the homeland/father nation(me). As part of a way of keeping the colony managed, it was later federated and put under the Provincial Duke. That is my understanding, anyways.

[Rhymer]

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The Lancian Empire is the homeland/father nation(me). As part of a way of keeping the colony managed, it was later federated and put under the Provincial Duke. That is my understanding, anyways.

@duck55223

The empire is the colony?

[null123]

No, the Archipelago itself is the colony.

[Rhymer]

No, the Archipelago itself is the colony.

@duck55223

Then where did the colonists come from? A colony has to have a nation of origin. I don't see it on the map.

[PolishKing]

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Then where did the colonists come from? A colony has to have a nation of origin. I don't see it on the map.

@Rhymer

The colonists came from Ducks nation
The one in Germany.

[Rhymer]

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The colonists came from Ducks nation
The one in Germany.

@PolishKing

Ah well that is making so much more sense. I didn't see ducks nation yet. Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was crazy for a minute.