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@KeyguypersonI'd be more than willing to split Japan either literally as its having a civil war or play as two different factions within Japan.


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Since you are the United States, @Byrd Man, I was wondering if you are up to talking about the relationship between Central America and your nation (if I decide to play as them)?

EDIT: By the way, are you guys planning on doing a discord channel or something like that?
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EDIT: By the way, are you guys planning on doing a discord channel or something like that?


We have one we are using for backstage planning right now that'll become public when the RP goes up.
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I want posts before I hand out Discord information. Since as I told Vilage while waiting for my post-class lunch: I don't want people hanging out on Discord and blowing all their imagination on organizing their position in relation to others, so when it comes time for launch all incentive to do a thing is gone.

So once you nig-nogs start putting out IC posts you'll be invited into the inner sanctum. But I want the thread to be used too, at least so there's conditions under which it can be bumped legitimately.
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I want posts before I hand out Discord information. Since as I told Vilage while waiting for my post-class lunch: I don't want people hanging out on Discord and blowing all their imagination on organizing their position in relation to others, so when it comes time for launch all incentive to do a thing is gone.

So once you nig-nogs start putting out IC posts you'll be invited into the inner sanctum. But I want the thread to be used too, at least so there's conditions under which it can be bumped legitimately.


Perhaps the thread can be used as a storehouse of images and summaries of the world situation as the latter changes?

Also...about colonies; the IC post I drafted kinda assumes that Vietnam is still French, Malaya is still British, and Indonesia is still Dutch.
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Since you are the United States, @Byrd Man, I was wondering if you are up to talking about the relationship between Central America and your nation (if I decide to play as them)?


Even if the US is more isolationist, they still have hegemony over the Americas. This world is a bit more reactionary when it comes to things, so Jimmy Carter and the Panama Canal ain't happening.
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Perhaps the thread can be used as a storehouse of images and summaries of the world situation as the latter changes?

Also...about colonies; the IC post I drafted kinda assumes that Vietnam is still French, Malaya is still British, and Indonesia is still Dutch.


We could give a pass to a few colonies, but most of them should have broke loose. Hell, it's 1960, in the real world where the French and British won two world wars most of the colonies were gone by then anyway, so in a world where Europe suffered more instability, they should have less of a hold on the colonies. .
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Yeah, WW1 historically destroyed the credibility of reactionary and monarchism in terms of politics. That's not the case. If anything, our Great War proved Monarchism is more then capable of standing up to Democracy. So reactionary governments around the world are for more credible amd likely. Won't stop the rising tide of the left though.
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We could give a pass to a few colonies, but most of them should have broke loose. Hell, it's 1960, in the real world where the French and British won two world wars most of the colonies were gone by then anyway, so in a world where Europe suffered more instability, they should have less of a hold on the colonies. .


Ah, so, if I do not change my post, I would be trying to overthrow already-independent states and set up Syndicalist governments over them.
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Yeah, WW1 historically destroyed the credibility of reactionary and monarchism in terms of politics. That's not the case. If anything, our Great War proved Monarchism is more then capable of standing up to Democracy. So reactionary governments around the world are for more credible amd likely. Won't stop the rising tide of the left though.


To be fair, the reverse can be construed; Democracy is more than capable of standing on equal terms with Monarchism?
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Ah, so, if I do not change my post, I would be trying to overthrow already-independent states and set up Syndicalist governments over them.


I'm not sure a syndicalist system would have the mechanisms to do that.

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To be fair, the reverse can be construed; Democracy is more than capable of standing on equal terms with Monarchism?


If anything reactionaries will have an advantage in PoW world due to the fact that there is no Hitler or WW2.
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If anything reactionaries will have an advantage in PoW world due to the fact that there is no Hitler or WW2.


There is/was a Hitler. He just ended up like Andy Warhol.
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I'm not sure a syndicalist system would have the mechanisms to do that.

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If anything reactionaries will have an advantage in PoW world due to the fact that there is no Hitler or WW2.


1.) Oh? Tell me more?

2.) True.

Anyway, as my post draft seems to contradict established lore and potential player's ambitions, mind if I post it here so that people can point out inconsistencies and problems?
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1.) Oh? Tell me more?


It takes a lot of organization and cash to project your power beyond your own country. A decentralized syndicalist nation wouldn't have a central body powerful enough to go through the work of invading overseas.

Its like how the UN doesn't really have power projection. The UN is not centralized, so it cannot project any hard power, it has to rely on the willingness of its members to project that power in its name.
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<Snipped quote by Letter Bee>

It takes a lot of organization and cash to project your power beyond your own country. A decentralized syndicalist nation wouldn't have a central body powerful enough to go through the work of invading overseas.

Its like how the UN doesn't really have power projection. The UN is not centralized, so it cannot project any hard power, it has to rely on the willingness of its members to project that power in its name.


What about Rojava IRL?

Edit: Or is Democratic Confederalism sufficiently different from Syndicalism? I seem to recall Rojava having a federal structure elected from bottom-up...
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<Snipped quote by Vilageidiotx>

What about Rojava IRL?

Edit: Or is Democratic Confederalism sufficiently different from Syndicalism? I seem to recall Rojava having a federal structure elected from bottom-up...


Rojava's in open revolution. If not to simply maintain its territories against enemies at open war with it then its goals is to at least turn Syria 180 degrees from Assad. But it's only got two real options, it's not like it's going to invade Turkey. Hell, if anything it'll leave the Turkish Kurds to their own decisions once the PKK members serving in Rojava now go home with more battle experience and a rallying cry for their own communities; assuming Rojava survives.

But in cases like the Ukrainian Free Territory, Revolutionary Catalonia, or even the EZLN the name of the game isn't so much to exert ideological power against someone else but to protect what they got from someone else. Historically speaking, the primitive socialism practiced by much of the world before feudalism or even modern capitalism wasn't as organized as the feudal monarch or the corporation to go on the offensive. From a tankie perspective, this is why figures like Lenin are good because they embody enough state centralization to organize resources to go on the counter offensive, where as figures like Makhno may be looked at as the romantic cause that got lost; incapable of seizing extra-territorial power due to the decentralized nature of the commune.
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Rojava's in open revolution. If not to simply maintain its territories against enemies at open war with it then its goals is to at least turn Syria 180 degrees from Assad. But it's only got two real options, it's not like it's going to invade Turkey. Hell, if anything it'll leave the Turkish Kurds to their own decisions once the PKK members serving in Rojava now go home with more battle experience and a rallying cry for their own communities; assuming Rojava survives.

But in cases like the Ukrainian Free Territory, Revolutionary Catalonia, or even the EZLN the name of the game isn't so much to exert ideological power against someone else but to protect what they got from someone else. Historically speaking, the primitive socialism practiced by much of the world before feudalism or even modern capitalism wasn't as organized as the feudal monarch or the corporation to go on the offensive. From a tankie perspective, this is why figures like Lenin are good because they embody enough state centralization to organize resources to go on the counter offensive, where as figures like Makhno may be looked at as the romantic cause that got lost; incapable of seizing extra-territorial power due to the decentralized nature of the commune.


Can I retcon my Philippines to be a regular Federal Republic with some trappings of Syndicalism instead, then?
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