Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[mdk]

speaking of American news for politics

I mean mostly they just want money, so I dunno about the 'conditioning' gag. But.... I mean... WSJ, no less. Don't reward these people. Right?

[Penny]

Don't eat the word salad Smash it really isn't worth it ;)

[POOHEAD189]

In the grimdark future of the 2nd millennium, there is only SAD.

[Smash]

"The Nazis opposed all traditional socialism, wanting to substitute something they called ‘German socialism’ or ‘Aryan socialism,’” Bryn Mawr College professor Barbara Miller Lane told PolitiFact in October 2015. “This meant citizenship and privileges only for ‘Aryans’ (meaning non-Jews), concentration camps for others."

Around the country today, a more true form of democratic socialism is not only taking form but growing in the form of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Following last year’s election and the rise of self-proclaimed democratic socialist and Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), the group has reportedly seen its membership grow to about 25,000 people, according to The Guardian.

newsweek.com/nazis-democrats-socialis…

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good" and accept political interests as the main priority of economic organization.

Kobrak, Christopher; Hansen, Per H.; Kopper, Christopher (2004). "Business, Political Risk, and Historians in the Twentieth Century" pp. 16–7. ISBN 1-57181-629-1.

books.google.ca/books?id=1oXbDyeLYXoC…

[Penny]

All books are fake news Smash. Also all history professors as suspect because they spend too much time around the liberal university crowd.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

These articles by the Mises Institute, the Independent Institute, the Independent, a Bing search, and even a Wikipedia page, as well as this book completely debunk that attempt to say, "Well, it wasn't real socialism." If your ideology has the word "socialism" in it, it is socialism. It being "democratic" or "nationalist" doesn't change the fact that they are all equally related Left wing ideologies. These people thought themselves and their organizations to be socialists. The same logic is the reason Trotskyism, Maoism, Leninism, Castroism, and Stalinism are all communist.

The Nazis were historically socialist, just beyond their name of der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei. This is a fact. It is even part of "Twenty-Five Points", which you can read preserved here from Yale Law School, an offshoot of Yale University. The best part of this is, a number of these examples predate the past few years or so, meaning they are likely untainted by the rewriting of history.

[Smash]

This is the most I'm going to write on this subject, but you need to stop ignoring the facts of the matter fam.

1.) George Reisman is a hack: mises.org/profile/george-reisman

2.) Independent Institute funded a study by Andrei Znamenski who studied history and anthropology both in Russia and the United States. Formerly a resident scholar at the Library of Congress, then a foreign visiting professor at Hokkaido University, Japan, he has taught at The University of Memphis and Alabama State University. His fields of interests include religions of indigenous people of Siberia and North America, shamanism, and esotericism.

Nazi's are not in his wheel house, so I'm not suprised he came to the wrong conclusion in

3.) independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/… First Lmao how did that get added to the end of that URL, Arby, I think you might be biased ;) 2nd, from that very same page.



Also From the Independent: indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-ri…

4.) Your bing search is dumb because A) Who the fuck uses Bing? lol. B) Yes, they called themselves Socialists, that does not make them socialists, any more than my name makes me the crusher of worlds.

5.) amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-M… So the book was written by Jonah Goldberg, who is an expert on Punditry nothing more.

6.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beefsteak_Nazi Beef Steak Nazi refers to people who changed their political ideology to Nazism, which couldn't happen unless they were different things.

7.) So to this: avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/nsdappro.asp Point 4 in the 25 points was the big difference between Nazism and socialism, though it's funny you're trying to brush past the big difference. I guess it's pretty typical to miss out on the whole "don't genocide part." And much like Trump's campaign promises, they were never enforced.

[j8cob]

Casual reminder that Richard Spencer is controlled opposition from the political left and has the most coincidental drama timing to ever be seen by a D-list political celebrity. Anyone who calls themselves "alt-right" unironically is stupid or also controlled opposition.

[Smash]

Casual reminder that Richard Spencer is controlled opposition from the political left and has the most coincidental drama timing to ever be seen by a D-list political celebrity. Anyone who calls themselves "alt-right" unironically is stupid or also controlled opposition.

@j8cob

You got a source on that fam?

[Smash]

So Arby, you have 1 more constructive, and I have 1 more rebuttal, choose wisely.

[POOHEAD189]

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

@Smash, I will not ask you again to call me by my username or just "Harbinger". No less, do not make idle threats about a "controlled debate" which I explicitly declined. I have no interest in letting you control the narrative to something I did not agree to in the first place. You are doing so in all bad faith out of desperation to not make yourself endure the thrashings you have had over the past few pages. To which I will add, yes, I am calling you out for the above with an expressed purpose before responding. I am doing so as proof there is no question of situation.

First, until you have evidence - the burden of proof is on the accusing party, not the defending - there is nothing to say the man is a hack. Stop attacking the characters of people and actually debate their point; you are making yourself out to be a coward in repeatedly doing this.

Second, the organization approved the presentation and reasonably made the same or similar conclusion to publish it; that is significantly more proof than your one cited article (from a news source no less, not a university, institute, think-tank or the like) and some random book.

Third, you know I use links provided to me from aggregates as a rapid means of making my points. I freely admitted this. I leave them as I find them, though I admit that addition they made might be true as well. No less, look at the year it is dated to as an article. It is not subject to the matter of "recency", even predating the year 2000. I doubt our understanding of history has changed that drastically in over seventeen years.

Fourth, Google has notoriously begun editing search results. As with above, I use captures from other sources. No less, the argument of "lolz Bing" isn't an argument. If anything it shows you are none too familiar with how search engines function and how they choose to display information. Again, point being that Google has skewed its results and the surprisingly less biased and less useful Bing can get it right. I, for the record, use neither of those search engines.

Fifth was to prove citing a book with no reviews, as with yours on that very page you linked, means absolutely nothing. Instead I found a book that has actual reviews and regular sales on a trusted site that people regularly use.

Sixth, you would not jump ship from communism and socialism to an ideology that did not favor you. They were opportunistic socialists and communists who, instead of getting beat or murdered by the national socialists, joined them. No less, the rise of historical Antifa is related to this time period because the Communist Party was outright banned, but that is an argument for another time.

And the last are quotes from the Twenty-Five Points as proof of socialist values in their own words.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

I could post more of these distinctly socialist ideals shared by the Nazis, but I assumed their playbook was really all we needed. Yet it seems you only fixated on the fourth point, something that hasn't anything to do with socialism or why Nazis somehow wouldn't be Left wing.

[Penny]

Don't make him waggle his finger.

[The Harbinger of Ferocity]

Good to see you are still ever so content to chime in with "humor" than have an actual discussion, @Penny. And no, I do intend to do far worse if I am going to be continually disrespected by the same person who made fun of a disabled Guild member repeatedly and attempted to do the same to me because they thought I was an "otherkin". I have no tolerance for that behavior and neither should anyone else on this forum.

[POOHEAD189]

As amused as I am by everything, let's refer to Harbinger as he prefers.

[j8cob]

Man, y'all should've seen the cancer he was trying to spew about white supremacists on the Discord. I had a good time but I don't think he did.

[Smash]

Jesus Christ Tony the Tiger, "Thrashings?" You realize I'm not actually being physically harmed by loosely skimming your posts?

Also I'm not really interested in un-moderated debate, if you're incapable of debating properly, we should probably just drop it.

I also think we should stop because I'm getting under your skin, your spell check is slipping.

[Smash]

Man, y'all should've seen the cancer he was trying to spew about white supremacists on the Discord. I had a good time but I don't think he did.

@j8cob

You called me a nigger when you found out I was half black.

Of course you said nigga to get around the auto-ban. as you admitted.

[j8cob]

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You called me a nigger when you found out I was half black.

@Smash

I actually called you a weeb, but reading comprehension isn't your strong suit innit?

[Smash]

Last one Frokane, this dude called me a nigger, and everyone should see that.