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[Flooby Badoop]

Cale Tucker said
Roll call?

Mentioned it earlier. Just gonna send out a PM to everyone to make sure they're still in. If you don't respond, I won't put you on the map. I know the people who are active right now, though, so for you and others, it'll be kind of a formality.

Also, just for shits and giggles, the tariff income for Palma, assuming none of its trade routes are raided, will be 39,090 bullis in tariffs. Under the old system, it would have made 78,180 bullis. Add that to their 40,000 in town taxes, and I'm kinda glad I nerfed tariffs, hah.

[Flooby Badoop]

Dub post, disregard.

[The Nexerus]

Three things to address,

1. I am lost in all things relating to the military. Do we spend one year's worth of our income on our military, and then that's that and we have no money? Or do we take our income for a year, spend it on the military, and then have another year's worth in our coffers?

2. I have a surplus crop production of 205,000, and have decided not to edit my sheet to add towns, because a) I'd rather it be left as-is and b) I already have my vassals. Is anyone in the market for crops?

3. Diplomacy. Is EVERYONE (including vassal houses and all of their families) at this central area where diplomacy takes place, or.....?

OH, AND A FOURTH,

The map. Is it being edited soon? I'd like to get a feel for where everything is.

[Heyitsjiwon]

The Nexerus said
Three things to address,1. I am lost in all things relating to the military. Do we spend one year's worth of our income on our military, and then that's that and we have no money? Or do we take our income for a year, spend it on the military, and then have another year's worth in our coffers?2. I have a surplus crop production of 205,000, and have decided not to edit my sheet to add towns, because a) I'd rather it be left as-is and b) I already have my vassals. Is anyone in the market for crops?3. Diplomacy. Is EVERYONE (including vassal houses and all of their families) at this central area where diplomacy takes place, or.....?OH, AND A FOURTH,The map. Is it being edited soon? I'd like to get a feel for where everything is.

1. You know that total amount of money that you calculated? You start with that. Any weapons bought comes out of that initial total.

2. Some people are negative in terms of food production. Try making a deal. Also, some NPCs might be interested, but that's up to Flooby.

3. Not quite sure on this. But, I am fairly positive that the answer is a yes.

4. Map should be up within the upcoming week, and the IC starting soon after.

[So Boerd]

Suuuup.

[Ashgan]

The Nexerus said
Three things to address,1. I am lost in all things relating to the military. Do we spend one year's worth of our income on our military, and then that's that and we have no money? Or do we take our income for a year, spend it on the military, and then have another year's worth in our coffers?

Heyitsjiwon said
1. You know that total amount of money that you calculated? You start with that. Any weapons bought comes out of that initial total.

As far as the rules explain it, when you define military in your nation sheet, ergo before the launch of the IC, you can buy military for "free", meaning you can get as much as you'd like and it is NOT subtracted from your coffers. However, the total cost of your "free" purchases must not exceed a limit equal to your total yearly income. That said, I'd advise caution since upkeep can be quite brutal if you're not prepared for them. When looking at the costs of weapons and equipment, always multiply the listed upkeep value by 4, since it is listed seasonally, but income is generally considered annually. A crossbow really costs 10/20 and not 10/5 in that sense, meaning every year you pay two crossbows on top of the one you own, which is nuts.

Rules said You must first select the fief you will raise your troops from. It costs nothing to call the troops to war, save the men themselves.

Next, you must decide how the troops will be outfitted. You are limited to starting with as many men as you can afford to arm with an annum's supply of bullis, but these bullis are not subtracted from your treasury at the game's start.

[So Boerd]

Wait, seriously? Free military?

[Heyitsjiwon]

if that's true, then this game has changed A LOT.

[King Solterra]

Essentially free. You have your armory full of gear, you just have to order your people a 'call to arms,' and when you do that, those people stop producing crops, and you have to give them a paycheck every season.

When Flooby calls roll I will make crop sheets for those who are in so that Flooby knows everyone is either stable or not. He will also be able to edit the tables so he knows the math is real and not false.

[Heyitsjiwon]

So, your starting armory is free? That doesn't make quite a lot of sense to me. Mostly because it could then allow someone to get 100,000 swords or something like that... Flooby. Enlighten us please?

[Ashgan]

100.000 swords would cost 1.500.000 bullis (assuming longswords), which nobody has in income. As said, you are capped by how high your income is, but this starting equipment is simply not deducted from your treasury.

[So Boerd]

That changes everything

[King Solterra]

Who said free? There is Initial Cost and Upkeep, it's in the rules. You start with no weapons, then buy some with Initial Cost. After that, you pay for Upkeep which is maintenance to make sure they don't go into disrepair.

Apparently, if it is true, you can choose some starting equipment. Which doesn't really make an army. I'd say your starting army is a reasonable starting equipment. If you try to exceed a stable army, you would kill all your people in a season if you really wanted to do that. Now, in the beginning it has been said, you have no reason to have a starting army. I have one to make sure I have the defense ready because I'm siding with "lawful good" and some players may like to be evil and use my morals against me and see a way to kill me. You can never be too prepared.

[Heyitsjiwon]

Ashgan said
As said, you are capped by how high your income is, but this starting equipment is simply not deducted from your treasury.

Hmm, if this is true, then many things will change in my CS. I've been under the assumption that you do spend all that money.

[FortunesFaded]

Cale Tucker said
Now, in the beginning it has been said, you have no reason to have a starting army.

If the original IC is any indication, a starting army may be wise. If Lundland ends up getting invaded en masse like it did last time, I don't want to have to worry about calling up the troops - I'd rather them already battle-ready.

[King Solterra]

FortunesFaded said
If the original IC is any indication, a starting army may be wise. If Lundland ends up getting invaded en masse like it did last time, I don't want to have to worry about calling up the troops - I'd rather them already battle-ready.

It's also been talked about random world events, like bandits. But I was talking about players. That was said by Flooby himself.

[Flooby Badoop]

I'ma just sum up the gist: you got an income of 100,000. You really like swords for some reason, so have an army of nothing but Swordsmen. Since Swordsmen cost 25 to arm, and your annual income is 100,000, you can buy 4,000 Swordsmen.

When the game starts, you will have a starting treasury of 100,000 bullis, and an armory of 4,000 Longswords and 4,000 Mail Armours.

The in-game stats don't need to concern you folks too much, since I'm going to keep a WiR style kingdom list on the OOC's OP, where your kingdoms and vassals will be kept updated.

Also, yes, every single House is represented at Bolgaz's court somehow, vassals and players, unless specifically stated otherwise.

And yes, it may be wise to have some troops raised at the game's start, though I'd wait on making that decision until the map's made.

EDIT: If vodka can give me superpowers tonight, I can make Bikriki's vassals.

[So Boerd]

Yup. Changes everything.

[Heyitsjiwon]

So Boerd said
Yup. Changes everything.

Indeed. Massive changes to CS coming soon.

[King Solterra]

What all did you two buy? Did you try and buy enough arms for an entire nation or something?