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The Codex lack the cohesion required to complete the ritual.


You said we just had to get together. Or, I thought you said.
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You said we just had to get together. Or, I thought you said.


That is only one component. It requires the Codex working as one.
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That is only one component. It requires the Codex working as one.


What does that mean?
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What does that mean?


It means the infighting must end.
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It means the infighting must end.


As much as I’d like that to happen—what does it mean that the Codex need to work as one?
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As much as I’d like that to happen—what does it mean that the Codex need to work as one?


What do you believe such a statement implies?
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What do you believe such a statement implies?


That everybody has to be doing the same thing, in whatever capacity they can.
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That everybody has to be doing the same thing, in whatever capacity they can.


It extends further. The Codex have to be as if one in mind.
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It extends further. The Codex have to be as if one in mind.


That’s... with respect to what?
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That’s... with respect to what?


Intention, goal, motivation... the impossible, I'm sure you see.
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Intention, goal, motivation... the impossible, I'm sure you see.


Motivation?
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Motivation?


I cannot be much clearer when it comes to such abstract concepts. I have seen the hearts of the Codex and, as your friend might tell you, the odds of success are zero.
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I cannot be much clearer when it comes to such abstract concepts. I have seen the hearts of the Codex and, as your friend might tell you, the odds of success are zero.


Would “avoiding death” be an acceptable motivation for everybody to have? It’s the one we all have right now.
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Would “avoiding death” be an acceptable motivation for everybody to have? It’s the one we all have right now.


It would not. That's a very shallow and meaningless idea.
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So if I can get the plan straight so far—you think we ought to release Azathoth, keep them from fighting one another, get their forces to keep each other busy, collect the undecideds, and pick off the rest?

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Is reversing entropy something that all Codex would have to be working on for all time? Or do you want to do even more than that? You said “no deaths would have been necessary.”


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It would not. That's a very shallow and meaningless idea.


Your research is faulty. What you're talking about is granting a new Codex a specific one of the fifty powers at a specific level of power. But even so, your desire is unnecessary. Your fears are based on your history, but the present history has that solved. What do you think the point of the precursor's actions were?
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Correct.

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Your research is faulty. What you're talking about is granting a new Codex a specific one of the fifty powers at a specific level of power. But even so, your desire is unnecessary. Your fears are based on your history, but the present history has that solved. What do you think the point of the precursor's actions were?


You fail to understand the ramifications of the status quo. The problem has been pushed further away but not solved; as it stands, every supposed increase in order must be borrowed from somewhere else.
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You fail to understand the ramifications of the status quo. The problem has been pushed further away but not solved; as it stands, every supposed increase in order must be borrowed from somewhere else.


Do... do you not know what the NaN district is? Again, I expected more from the higher class... Then again, I guess that's part of the problem in the first place...
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Do... do you not know what the NaN district is? Again, I expected more from the higher class... Then again, I guess that's part of the problem in the first place...


Elaborate on why you believe the problem to be solved.
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Elaborate on why you believe the problem to be solved.


Alright, how about a history lesson? Shortly after the first Triggers had their war, the Not a Number District split from Existence, because in order to access it even the Original Generator required the power of the Triggers. Since they were no longer a part of it, and mostly died, the split wasn't able to be stopped. This created a few changes in Existence, such as how the Codex's abilities worked, and created a situation where Code could only be created. This is the origin of your fears. However, by creating a situation wherein one Trigger could regain the state of the original Trigger that was part of the Mammon Machine, the Precursor was able to allow it access back to the NaN District. Thanks to this, Existence was overwritten in certain areas because of discrepancies between it and the various Akashic Records stored in the NaN. With the NaN back in full force and no longer limited in size as it was when they split, there's no reason to believe that order is in limited supply. The NaN can once again grow endlessly, so there is always the ability for more of concepts to be created and expanded.
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Alright, how about a history lesson? Shortly after the first Triggers had their war, the Not a Number District split from Existence, because in order to access it even the Original Generator required the power of the Triggers. Since they were no longer a part of it, and mostly died, the split wasn't able to be stopped. This created a few changes in Existence, such as how the Codex's abilities worked, and created a situation where Code could only be created. This is the origin of your fears. However, by creating a situation wherein one Trigger could regain the state of the original Trigger that was part of the Mammon Machine, the Precursor was able to allow it access back to the NaN District. Thanks to this, Existence was overwritten in certain areas because of discrepancies between it and the various Akashic Records stored in the NaN. With the NaN back in full force and no longer limited in size as it was when they split, there's no reason to believe that order is in limited supply. The NaN can once again grow endlessly, so there is always the ability for more of concepts to be created and expanded.


Having no reason to believe that order will not cease being generated is not sufficient. Even granting that true generation of order is taking place, I do not have confidence that such a change is non-volatile.
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