[OOC] Time's are Changing - Steampunk NRP set in the 1800s

[MonkeyBusiness]

My sheet has been updated.

[null123]

Your good Monkey, you can add it to the dump.

I asked the guy who played Germany, he said he would be the one who replaced Russia in my history. I already changed it overall.

@Victoria2FTW

Yeah, still no.

The idea of a a Empire of Greater Greece is just... downright silly. Even if Greek is Christian the Concert of Europe is not just going to stand down and let Greece upset the balance of power in the region, and as Legion has said a lot of that territory is slavic and with Russia's panslavic position they probably invade to stop the Empire. The creation of maybe a Greek State incorporating the current territories it has in IRL could happen, but there is no way in hell Europe would support the creation of this Empire.

Edit:And to be honest, it seems like you think it would work purely because it worked in Victoria 2. Which is not the case.

[Vanguardian]

I asked the guy who played Germany, he said he would be the one who replaced Russia in my history. I already changed it overall.

@Victoria2FTW

Can I say this guy looks like a total scrub.
(Also, Im not new here, when the guild shut down for a long time a couple months ago I thought it was closed. I lost the password to my old account lol)
Edit: Also, may I reserve the Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, and Burmese states?

[Keyguyperson]

Considering playing as a rebel faction... there isn't enough communism here, is there?

[Vanguardian]

Considering playing as a rebel faction... there isn't enough communism here, is there?

@Keyguyperson

U should be fascist.
Or socialist.
Communism is like Socialism, but 10x Worse.

[Legion X51]

Considering playing as a rebel faction... there isn't enough communism here, is there?

@Keyguyperson

Communism... eh, the socio-political conditions necessary for a proletarian revolution aren't quite there in 1866. There's still a lot of reactionary feudalistic powers in the world still (Germany, Japan, China, most likely Eisenkreis though I'm not sure, and still sort of Russia though it's modernising and liberalising), and there's not been a real true disaster on the scale of WWI, which was what sparked the rise of communist revolutionaries in Russia, Germany and Western Europe.

But I guess it's not totally out of the picture, just hard to see it happening.

[Zoldyck]

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Communism... eh, the socio-political conditions necessary for a proletarian revolution aren't quite there in 1866. There's still a lot of reactionary feudalistic powers in the world still (Germany, Japan, China, most likely Eisenkreis though I'm not sure, and still sort of Russia though it's modernising and liberalising), and there's not been a real true disaster on the scale of WWI, which was what sparked the rise of communist revolutionaries in Russia, Germany and Western Europe.

But I guess it's not totally out of the picture, just hard to see it happening.

@Legion X51

I agree with Legion on this subject. Back in 1866 there had barely been any socialist party support, let alone enough support for a communist uprising. And the guy who recommended using Fascism, well Fascism was a reaction to the Communnist takeover of Russia. If anything is lacking it's a proper nationalist state. Germany is rather close to one, but it still seems like a rather liberal place in comparison to real life nationalist states.

That's just my thoughts on it.

[Alfhedil]

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I agree with Legion on this subject. Back in 1866 there had barely been any socialist party support, let alone enough support for a communist uprising. And the guy who recommended using Fascism, well Fascism was a reaction to the Communnist takeover of Russia. If anything is lacking it's a proper nationalist state. Germany is rather close to one, but it still seems like a rather liberal place in comparison to real life nationalist states.

That's just my thoughts on it.

@Zoldyck

Eisenkreis-Kzechverin is a highly nationalist state, unified by cultures shared between the two regions. Granted, they may not be as extreme as fascism, but they still look to their own traditions and cultures before any others.

[TomeBinder]

Wouldn't the conditions for Communism have been brought forwards in this NRP? I mean, given the discovery of blue coal and the radical industrialisation that's gone on? Just trying to remember, but Communism in Russia was largely supported by industrial workers wasn't it? And not so much by the rural peoples.

That's just my thought on it in any case. Don't bundle me.

[Zoldyck]

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Eisenkreis-Kzechverin is a highly nationalist state, unified by cultures shared between the two regions. Granted, they may not be as extreme as fascism, but they still look to their own traditions and cultures before any others.

@Alfhedil

Well, if you were highly natinalist then you would be in a perpetual civil war, you having 20+ cultures and all :P Just kidding, I know what you mean and that's good, now we have a pariah for the world's evil... I mean a very friendly nation... *cough*

Wouldn't the conditions for Communism have been brought forwards in this NRP? I mean, given the discovery of blue coal and the radical industrialisation that's gone on? Just trying to remember, but Communism in Russia was largely supported by industrial workers wasn't it? And not so much by the rural peoples.

That's just my thought on it in any case. Don't bundle me.

@TomeBinder

Communism in Russia was only possible due to the great poverty and loss of lives WW1 caused in Russia, not due to rapid industialisation because else it would have happened in the 1870's when industrialisation was really kicking it up a notch.

And lets not forget that communism in China got caused by farmers instead of factory workers. And back in Russia the reason why the revolution succeeded was because the army supported the Bolshevieks... The army and Germany.

[TomeBinder]

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Well, if you were highly natinalist then you would be in a perpetual civil war, you having 20+ cultures and all :P Just kidding, I know what you mean and that's good, now we have a pariah for the world's evil... I mean a very friendly nation... *cough*

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Communism in Russia was only possible due to the great poverty and loss of lives WW1 caused in Russia, not due to rapid industrialisation because else it would have happened in the 1870's when industrialisation was really kicking it up a notch.

And lets not forget that communism in China got caused by farmers instead of factory workers. And back in Russia the reason why the revolution succeeded was because the army supported the Bolshevieks... The army and Germany.

@Zoldyck

*Stumbles out of wikipedia*

Yeah, having done some light reading I see that World War One was definitely an igniting point. Overall though, it looks to be a whole blanket of problems that boiled into one big cauldron of poop. This world is very different to ours, though, I mean let me go snap a quote from the first post.

"Burū sekitan even allowed the Asian Powers to build airships, iron ships, mechs, and even aircraft due to the power output of Burū sekita" - So that's happening over in Asia.

We got mechs, we got aircraft, surely the sudden explosion of industrialisation - coupled with the unhappiness it always seem to bring - could give someone an argument for a communist revolution, or something like it. A worker's revolution, if you will. I mean Hell, I managed to argue my way into having a neo-medieval kingdom, and so far no one has tried to pick me apart.

At the end of the day, I'm not really bothered by it. I'll leave it to you guys/the GM to decide.

Thanks for not bundling me.

[Alfhedil]

I mean Hell, I managed to argue my way into having a neo-medieval kingdom, and so far no one has tried to pick me apart.

At the end of the day, I'm not really bothered by it. I'll leave it to you guys/the GM to decide.

Thanks for not bundling me.

@TomeBinder

In all honesty, there's this little nation to the NE of you that is looking to import large amounts of food that a certain someone seems to have in abundance ;D

[TomeBinder]

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In all honesty, there's this little nation to the NE of you that is looking to import large amounts of food that a certain someone seems to have in abundance ;D

@Alfhedil

I don't anymore :( That was the plan, but it turns out Italy just plain sucks in almost every aspect. Crap farmland, crap resources but HOT DAYAM do I love spaghetti bolognese.

I can give you access to one or both of my small blue coal reserves though :D Kinda relying on someone taking up the offer, before my country implodes and the King is either killed in a revolution or forced to modernise.

[Alfhedil]

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I don't anymore :( That was the plan, but it turns out Italy just plain sucks in almost every aspect. Crap farmland, crap resources but HOT DAYAM do I love spaghetti bolognese.

I can give you access to one or both of my small blue coal reserves though :D Kinda relying on someone taking up the offer, before my country implodes and the King is either killed in a revolution or forced to modernise.

@TomeBinder

It's a possibility, though Kzechverin currently holds the largest reserve of Blue Coal in the European region. A little more wouldn't hurt =P

[Zoldyck]

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I don't anymore :( That was the plan, but it turns out Italy just plain sucks in almost every aspect. Crap farmland, crap resources but HOT DAYAM do I love spaghetti bolognese.

I can give you access to one or both of my small blue coal reserves though :D Kinda relying on someone taking up the offer, before my country implodes and the King is either killed in a revolution or forced to modernise.

@TomeBinder

I remember you saying you wanted a "The Lost Samurai" kind of feel for your country. I recommend you look up the Meiji Restoration and the Bosin War. TLS is kinda bullshit :P

You could ofcourse take the entirity of Italy and form a nationalist state, although that doesnt really go well with your plan. Maybe a united Iberian peninsula? Or Persia? Persia might be a good bet with going the non industry route, same goes for Spain/Portugal. Italy has alot of wine import, maybe you could use that aswell... But taking the non industry route with Italy is like saying you take a depopulated Russia, you take away it's biggest strenght.

Come to think about it... You have Napels and Sicily right? Why dont you implement a "Mare Nostrum" policy? Get a big fleet up and running and start taxing ships going through the Mediterenean sea? Just my sugestion although I would have gone for the industry, this seems like a viable way of getting money in without industrialising. Just so you know though, if you dont want your country to be ripped apart by Austria, Germany and France then sooner or later you will be forced to industrialize. Else you'll be using matchlocks against tanks.

I dont want to ruin your country but that just came to my mind when I read your Nation sheet. If I were one of those nations you would be on the top of my invasion list :P

Anyway, that's what my thoughts are, use them as tips or ignore them, it's up to you :)

[Zoldyck]

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It's a possibility, though Kzechverin currently holds the largest reserve of Blue Coal in the European region. A little more wouldn't hurt =P

@Alfhedil

Pff... That little bit of blue coal? I'll just go to my Asian colony in the form of the Dutch East Indies :D

[Alfhedil]

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Pff... That little bit of blue coal? I'll just go to my Asian colony in the form of the Dutch East Indies :D

@Zoldyck

By "that little bit" if you mean the mine deep into the earth which rivals the East, then sure =P

[MonkeyBusiness]

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By "that little bit" if you mean the mine deep into the earth which rivals the East, then sure =P

@Alfhedil

Pff. Come on over to the Land Down Under and work in my mines. I'll pay you a little.

[TomeBinder]

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I remember you saying you wanted a "The Lost Samurai" kind of feel for your country. I recommend you look up the Meiji Restoration and the Bosin War. TLS is kinda bullshit :P

You could ofcourse take the entirity of Italy and form a nationalist state, although that doesnt really go well with your plan. Maybe a united Iberian peninsula? Or Persia? Persia might be a good bet with going the non industry route, same goes for Spain/Portugal. Italy has alot of wine import, maybe you could use that aswell... But taking the non industry route with Italy is like saying you take a depopulated Russia, you take away it's biggest strenght.

Come to think about it... You have Napels and Sicily right? Why dont you implement a "Mare Nostrum" policy? Get a big fleet up and running and start taxing ships going through the Mediterenean sea? Just my sugestion although I would have gone for the industry, this seems like a viable way of getting money in without industrialising. Just so you know though, if you dont want your country to be ripped apart by Austria, Germany and France then sooner or later you will be forced to industrialize. Else you'll be using matchlocks against tanks.

I dont want to ruin your country but that just came to my mind when I read your Nation sheet. If I were one of those nations you would be on the top of my invasion list :P

Anyway, that's what my thoughts are, use them as tips or ignore them, it's up to you :)

@Zoldyck

Oh I'm well aware of my nation's vulnerabilities, and the challenges it faces. That's why I floated it. I don't want to sit down and spam away at a keyboard, moving X fleet to nation Z, researching doomsday weapon 0 whilst ordering the building of Mechanised Division L. That stuff gets old, and fast. You start looking around and seeing your opponents mirroring you at every turn - which is fine, and you know, realistic. But I like flare, and the Kingdom of Naples will have much flare.

King Pagani's story will either be one of tragedy, or one of glory. Either way it's gonna be a fun and interesting ride.

Anyway, thanks for the shout out with the wine. I'm off to go and do some more research on what else I can sell you scoundrels, before you come rolling in with your tanks and robotised sea monkeys.

[Zoldyck]

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By "that little bit" if you mean the mine deep into the earth which rivals the East, then sure =P

@Alfhedil

Still a little bit in comparison to a country 1/5 the size of Europe. :P

You think I would take the Netherlands instead of France just because I come from the Netherlands? With Indonesia I have loads of blue coal :D