Andreyich

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twitter.com/RTUKnews/status/876598733…
huh, looks like wypipo are trying to even out the score in the game where nobody wins
EDIT: This might just be RT being sensationalist, no other source says it was muslims/near a mosque
bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40322960
EDIT2:

nope my first suggestion was right

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@Andreyich when you got here you said this thread was shit, but now you wont leave. You're clearly having fun.

@Dynamo Frokane

What can I say, I get hooked into debates/conversations that will do nothing but make my peer relationships worse and leave bitterness between me and others with no progress. But what happens, happens. I ain't backing out yet, not that much of a pussy.

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This is why I exclusively post in Old English, its what the Venerable Bede and the Beowulf author would have wanted.

This isn't the middle ages, as said earlier we are in an era of standardization.

You would think it would work that way but that isn't what the evidence would suggest. People invest their identity in their opinions and they don't easily give it up. Even in cases where your opinion is made manifestly untrue by new evidence, there is still a part of you that immediately denies it. I suspect it varies with the importance you attach to a particular opinion but I cant claim to be an expert in the field.

As earlier said you are pretty adamant in your beliefs too, so don't try to mock me and mdk for staunchness in our's.

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Ah Night, I too was once young and innocent. Actually studies show that although people almost never change their mind in the teeth of a debate, the ideas you expose them to do tend to eat away at their certainties. We can hope that a positive effect might one day be achieved, even if we dont see it.

"They're wrong and will never change their opinions but yeah I won't change mine :^))))"

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Ah, such a lovely introduction to this forum. I absolutely love the smell of bigotry in the morning, I'm sure trans folks would feel absolutely welcomed on this forum!

psmag.com/social-justice/what-you-nee… Here's a list of peer-reviewed studies on transgender folks. You can bash me for it coming from a liberal site, etc, I just don't feel like copy and pasting everything and each of these studies it links to are peer-edited scientific journals. I understand that swaying your opinions is probably impossible, but I shall persist still, hoping at least to plant seeds of fact and sympathy in the minds of those reading.

@NightinGem

Lol already the buzzwords are thrown. You did take longer than I thought.

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1) uhhhh excuse me? Language is constantly evolving and definitions change, it's in its very nature. As we learn more things, we update our connotations--is that not how society progressives?

Doesn't mean that's good, that is should happen or even makes any sense, especially considering 1) how fast it's happening and 2) how little coordination there is in it.

2) I was trying to bring in my personal experience with the topic and bring a bit of humanity to this topic so you would realize that there are very real people associated with this topic in ways that are not simply "trendy." And yeah, gender dysphoria is a mental illness, it fucking sucks. Watching my gf deal with it hurts. Watching her start to overcome it is one of the best feelings I've ever had.

I'm sure. But, I must however commend you at least on agreeing that such a thing is a disorder of sorts/not normal, even though we may not see eye to eye acknowledging such a truth takes a lot of strength and I do have a lot of respect for that.

3) Fat acceptance leads to severe health issues, a lot of the time? Not attacking people who are overweight is generally great, but when someone is obese to the point where it negatively impacts their health, it is dangerous to say "don't care, be yourself!" So long as acceptance does not negatively impact people, what is wrong with it? Also, I would absolutely love for you to cite your source on that. Love the use of generalizations and the loaded language. sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gende… Have a Harvard. I have some more formal studies as well.

I mean, that's really the point. I'll use your pronoun as long as it's not some crazy bullshit like "adfazad'gexe" but wanting to chop off your shit is pretty whacko. You stop emos/self-amputators from chopping their shit don't you? I know that I see it as my moral duty do so for sure.
But you want studies? here are but a few
About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older. Source: npr.org/templates/story/story.php?sto…
MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619 (this in essence just means that these are people who have a poor understanding of their sexual kinks/fetishes because they were repressed or simply not explored) or are just people who aren't really hot enough and want a bit of a boost by looking more feminine
Oh and here's an important one
Transsexuals who undergo sex reassignment surgery are more likely to commit suicide. Source: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=… so yeah, sexual reassignment surgery is more or less evil by it's very nature

Their status could of course be a result of their other issues
Transsexuals are more likely to have autism than the general population. Source: link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00…

Of course, you're free to """debunk""" these.

4) It blatantly denies scientific evidence and uses biased, unconfirmed resources so it's wrong. :((( This also goes for more liberal sites like HuffPost!

Literally all scientific studies are biased, everyone is setting out to accomplish something with their research.

5) Indeed, they are! Want some peer-reviewed studies?

I won't address this since it's adressed elsewhere

6) Sympathy and empathy are both rather important, and I may have misworded my phrase a bit. But let me tell you, differing opinions can be dehumanizing wmd harmful. "I don't like this show," that's an opinion, that's fine. "I don't think you should have equal rights and also your identity is made up" is generally pretty harmful.

It's still dumb, and sometimes empathy with someone only strengthens these seemingly contrarian-perspectives. I think people should have equal rights, particularly when they are guaranteed by state but I don't see what's so bad about saying "your identity is made up." At least, if they can prove me wrong they'll feel a whole lot better.

7) I came in this thread to educate. Education is the greatest cure to inequality and bigoted views, and if we respect one another and recognize legitimate differences, the world gets better, little by little.

Which definition of bigotry are we using?

We agree on that! Bill is using a more modern version of the term. It would really be better if he talked about gamete production but he isn't talking to an audience of biologists.

However shall they manage? Kids these days with their new fangled words and redefining of concepts. Language belongs to everyone and sometimes language can be changed to reflect new nuance. Rejoice that there is yet undiscovered linguistic territory to explore!

@Penny

Exactly. This is an attempt to revive the famed reputation as educator of a children of a man to keep on indoctrinating children with a political agenda and yes I know how much like Alex Jones I sound right now but fug off

We live in an era of standardization, I for one fucking hate it when I have to wake up and suddenly a word has an unclear but new meaning, making a whole of my old uses of it not PC which in turn makes me liable to be fired or not accepted for a whole lot of work positions, in the West anyway. Besides, changing definition of gender only shortens linguistic boundaries because it makes them a whole lot more confusing and we can no longer look to the roots of the word. Don't repurpose old words, make new ones and leave my lovelies alone.

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Also, got a few more tests

Hidden document of covert neo-nazi dubbed "Andreyich" circa 2017

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@Penny
Redacting knowledge goes both ways, not just for the positive. Genocides are denied but well, they're still there.

I applaud Bill Nye for using the social constructed term gender in a more nuanced way.

Literally all terms are socially constructed. At that point anyone can use any word as... anything. If people want to change definitions there should be some grand meeting of Anglophone countries to agree on what means what and if anything in English should be changed, and this should be announced on like every news outlets rather than people getting upset over certain things. This is particularly hard for all sorts of old-timers and people who don't really want their language changed because it's an element of their culture/heritage, like a whole lot of Norn Irelanders.

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1) Or mayhap we're learning more about gender and people are getting upset it's more complicated than they thought? 2) My girlfriend is trans--her brain's gender does not match her physical sex, and she suffers from gender dysphoria (which, by the way, is indeed a mental illness). 3) She's seeking therapy and transitioning--treating her mental illness and becoming the woman she is mentally. She's happier than she's ever been. And yet I get people saying that she's faking it for attention, or should just accept her body and not mutiliate it. 4) Also, lifesitenews is notoriously biased and not a source one should look to for scientific fact-instead, I would look at peer-reviewed scientific journals, most which which, surprise, support the idea that gender and sex are different! I am open to debate on this topic with anyone; my opinions are based on 5) scientific fact and a bit of 6) empathy for my fellow human, and 7) I am entirely willing to educate and be educated.

1) no not really, unless you keep redacting definitions i.e. saying racism is prejudice + power rather than just prejudice.

2) are you trying to bait me into saying something obnoxious like ">her"? Not cool man. But I do agree on that it is a disorder, which I thought was the preferred term because illness has a """"negative connotation.""""

3) It is mutilation and the majority of people going through these things are in a phase, no matter how much their blue and purple haired pals tell them it isn't. Also, it's funny how fat acceptance gets a 49π degree rotation when it comes to transsexuality/gender/racialism/whatever

4) It doesn't agree with me so it's wrong :,(((((((

5) yeah I'm sure lol

6) First off the word you're looking for is sympathy, don't even pretend to empathize with your """fellow human being""" because your experiences are too different. Secondly, the implication that others aren't empathetic/sympathetic because they do not share the same opinions is just stupid.

7) Considering that you only have 2 posts in 0 days and you rushed in to this thread to """intervene""" I think this more or less translates to "Agree with me or you are [buzzword]"

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