Cyclone

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A wild real life has appeared. I'm trying to make it go away.

@Legion X51

But you're a Crusader King! Seduce its wife and then imprison it. Then convert to Germanic religion and hang it as a sacrifice to the gods during a Great Blot

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Oh boy. As soon as I mention the Hindenburg, this thread burst into flames and exploded in much the same way as that stupid blimp

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@Willy Vereb

What? Sure, I have Janissaries, but if you look at the big picture I don't see that much resemblance to the Ottomans. Ottomans were somewhag secular and highly tolerant (at least compared to the Seljuk, Holy Roman Empire, etc.), not to mention rather technologically advanced.

I say that the Tinites are more like the Moors.

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@Willy Vereb

Because missiles create a big fiery explosion. It's the difference between shooting tiny holes into an absolutely enormous balloon and doing nothing, or reenacting the Hindenberg's explosion with a fiery kaboom that engulfs the entire airship in a great inferno of death. Not to mention that a missile could probably reach much greater altitudes.

Adjar Akbar!

HE MISSPELLED 'AJDAR'! BURN THE INFIDEL!!!

And for the last time they are supposed to be like Mongols! Not Arabs/Muslims! Albeit there is some Timurid (and hence Persian) influence in there, and if you didn't notice I actually named Babur after the founder of the Mughal Empire.

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Or I could just have unguided missiles. These zeppelin-esque airships would be huge, slow-moving targets. I think that I'll have mobile artillery platforms that are conventional AA guns, but that some of my navy's larger ships (and maybe some specialized anti-airship ground defenses) would use rockets of some sort.

Even if they aren't guided.

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@Willy Vereb

You hear a whoosh. A blast of wind and smoke rustles your hair and then violently pushes against your body as the great missile propels itself into the air at incredible speeds. Its victim, a puny bomber, attempts evasive maneuver, but to no avail; the guided missile follows it like a hound before finally coming into contact. For a brief moment the sky is illuminated by a second sun, a massive fireball, and then the plane is no more: nothing but a clusterfuck of deadly debris that is now raining down on the enemy's heads.

Missiles are better.

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@Willy Vereb

Well argued.

Fine...

Oversized AA machine guns it is. No cool missiles.

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Guided missiles can be outran or outsmarted ( I've heard it said that the early infrared heat-seeking ones could be tricked by aircraft dumping containers full of hot coals) so I'm not so sure that it would be as game breaking as you say.

Overall a decent wing of fighters seems infinitely more dangerous than a few primitive ground to air missiles, especially since it would take a lot to bring down an airship, as you said.

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WWII saw surface to air missiles in development but I don't think they were ever fielded. But shortly afterwards several nationa developed effective ground-based anti-aircraft missile systems.

Since Tin has almost no airforce as of now (they have no friendly nations to purchase the aircraft from) yet I mentioned that the government poured money into one or two military projects (one being the development of good submarines) I figured I'd have anti-air missiles be the other project. Granted this would make Tin relatively advanced in the category of anti-aircraft technologies, but that makes sense considering how badly they need that. With almost no fighter craft and their enemies in Avalia having a really good air force, it makes sense that Tin would have freaked out and came up with a way to mitigate their lack of air superiority.

So what I'm asking for is permission to have (slightly) advanced technology in this specific area. I think that in the real world missiles that could be fired from the ground and shoot down planes were developed by the early 1950's so this isn't too far from the general tech level.

And if this is fine, @Hael since your nation is also lacking in the air department do you want to have an international ballistics program between Tin and KalMea? That way we could both have oversized fireworks that can shoot down those pesky airships.

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Huh. So piss off an elf and receive a day long scolding, I suppose?

Piss off a Tinite and get stabbed. At least some of them have the decency to stab you in the front, though.