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You know, some of is worship MSPaint. Stop being MSPaint intolerant.


Well more-so the MS paint maps where it's a literal blob thrown down with no imagination. Like a six year old tried to draw a map of an island.
I want to know, have any of you used any sort of map or boards in your RPs ( probably most common in tabletop Role-plays)
during combat, or dungeon exploration or whatever situation you/other characters were in. I just wanna Know


It's basically a requirement for NRP so you know where someone's polity is in relation to another's, and what sort of geography you - or another - might have.

Though I am often irked by all the maps torn generically from DeviantArt as much as I am pissy about maps made sloppily in MSPaint.
Isn't it a bit unreasonable to think that over 50 years after the end of the war, even with a terrible economic depression, European countries would not have recovered fully? Germany recovered from WWII pretty speedily, so if that is possible, anything is, really. Given, it had the Marshall plan and a debt erasure, but still.

Communists appeared in Europe only after the Russian Revolution, so I have no idea how things shaped out in PoW. In France, the Communist Party seceded from the SFIO (Socialist Party) in 1920. Without the Russian Revolution, it would probably have taken longer.

Anarchists were done with by the early 1900s. State repression in the last decade of the 19th century had seriously affected them.


Post WW2 Germany is a special case because it saw the US and friends mediating the forgiving of a lot of post-war debt. In the instance of France for example it was to get snuggy with America so they can get support to protect themselves from Communism. And repairing Germany was considered priority to create a bullwark against the Soviet Union, which had extensive control and influence over Eastern Europe. Likewise was Japan.

In this pretense we have a party providing a great deal of mediation in the post-war effects of war since dictating who and who should not get repaid after the war for the severe debts owed to them and general debt forgiveness. It also has an additional party willing to pay off at least some if not most of the war damages in that nation to some degree, accelerating that country's rebound post-war.

True it could be exaggerated to run it over fifties years, but I don't think I or Vilage have said for certain that the Depression itself ran for fifty years. But what we would be looking at are sort of long-term effects of it and arguably a stunting or reorganization of money in Europe that changes the dynamic on the continent.

EDIT - also what Vilage said. Assuming there's been long-reaching effects of the war that's still an effect today also helps to lend explanation as to why France has been so negligent to everything over-all. The only thing they have any likely, reasonable authority over still is Madagascar, and that may still be very iffy.
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Oh yeh, I am aware, Germany faced trouble quicker due to the blockade. But the fact that there were cracks showing in the military shows that the pressure of the war was having an effect. I mean, our version of the war lasts more than twice as long as the real deal.

Also, wouldn't the communists also be a potential threat? They were always a wild card in European politics. I can imagine a potential situation where food shortages and resource depletion causes a desperate population tired of war turning to extremist causes.


Anarchists too. Unless the Anarchists were a done-deal by the 20th century.
In Tribalism 11 yrs ago Forum: Nation Roleplay
And @Odysseus never said anything about my post.
Tempest played it briefly but he's not been around for a while. Ignore the French wiki page he wrote, you can re-write it later to fit your own canon. Just go by the stuff Vilage and Aaron have talked about in the last few pages and it should be fine.


@Pepperm1nts played it briefly, then he got bored or something and switched nations. I think this may have been after he tried to play an independent New England. Then Tempest played it before he switched to South Africa. France is one of those nations that's traded hands so much that we scrambled its background pretty hard-core. It's also traded hands most during that time where we weren't so organized with our lore and hadn't matured as writers.

Yeah, I am. But, I got more questions to ask.

1) Was the Great Depression as terrible as it was in real life or was it more terrible to the point that countries were ruined?

Even with the Great Depression being such a new thing tacked onto the RPs lore, I don't think we really explored it as much. So we don't have a snapshot on how massive it would have been. But if the Great Depression of the real-world threw a quarter of the US population into unemployment then a post-war effect tacked on over top would have had even heavier consequences, complicated by bruising population or demographic holes blown out of the structure of that nation.

2) Since a World War 2 didn't happened during the time, how did the countries recover for the depression?

Well the Second World War wasn't the only factor to end the previous depression. The US could have recovered from it over several years based on the New Deal programs and reforms of the FDR regime. War facilitated a jump-start to the economy by suddenly opening up a shit ton of jobs (soldiering) and creating a sudden jump in demand for industrial and other goods to feed the war-effort.

At the expense of mass inflation growth mobilization of a country's military can create a artificial period of demand with units in combat, or in peace-time simply being deployed or drilled. Arguably, a nation could sacrifice enormous portions of their national budget to maintain a fully mobilized army with no real combat-situation: as the US was and has been since the First World War. After the Great War, the French could simply not return to peace-time demobilization and maintain a long-term standing army, just without anyone to fight.

This might be wasteful and in a Republican context lacking any sensible enemy to fight while other government programs are sucked dry to maintain a large tumor on the national budget would galvanize austerity parties probably.

Otherwise, the other option is something akin to the New Deal: a series of state-sponsored and legislature-signed projects, subsidies, and programs designed to alleviate the stress of the nation's economic burden and to encourage money to move around the nation to keep the heart moving. It's like a pacemaker for the economy, it keeps the money - blood - moving so that it can stabilize a national economy. Tariff policies could be put into place to protect local industries so no one goes bankrupt from foreign competition that'd benefit from this sort of thing. But in all it's a complex procedure and I don't know enough about it to provide any arbitrary metric.

What's known for sure (because it's fathered in by now) is that Spain's inaction in the war and programs kept its economy stable and then the most healthy in Europe post-war. When it comes to economic investment and practice, it seems a stable economy is favored by businesses.

3) How does a country get out of a depression? Do they try to control the unemployment rate, increase tariffs, and enact domestic programs so the people could get back to work?

See above.

I suppose another strategy would be rather fierce and strict policies of economic isolation so the state and people can become reliant on itself long enough that it can rebuild itself before exerting itself outwardly. This can be seen as an argument the Chinese might make to defend its twenty-year history of absolute economic isolation and trading only with its allies in the Comintern.

The others being anti-European xenophobia and "fuck the bourgeois".

And thinking about the current economy of China in that context is pretty interesting, since a few of the older high-ranking officials are western-educated. But they came back to China cynical of the international economy which also explains their isolationism: they just don't want to risk drowning any pretense of revolutionary rewards by trading outwardly when being inward is much more stable.

4) Is it realistic to make France's economy collapse for this roleplay? Since, France had the most damage out of any other country after the Great War.


I don't see any reason why not. It can surely recover but maybe not to the degree that it was before. If the Spanish are going to assume the sort of economic strength comparable to the US but in Europe then a lot of the economic opportunities that may have been reserved to the old powers of Europe would have been denied because of Spain. And there'd be competition among the rest to assume the highly-competitive ranks of a rich economy like Spain.

And in PoW's pattern of Europe back-peddling a lot of the non-traditional powers in foreign economics can or have risen to assume some status as an economic competitor to the European markets. But this can be discussed.
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