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Could just be corporations giving weapons to whom ever they want. Maybe special interest groups like far-left/far-right parties and organizaitons look at which factions they like the most and send some extra help their way.


It's really something that gets covered up in black up notions, but I don't think will ever really evolve into anyone straight up purchasing resources from one of these factions until they have formal control of the United States and haven't totally alienated the rest of the world. Since while certain groups could arm the factions they like, the global west may also embargo the United States to prevent or slow down the number of escalating weapons arriving inside the country.

One way to look at it too would be like when the British Empire embargo'd the colonies during the War for Independence to prevent as best they could French support ships coming in, and to capture congressional delegates heading out on diplomatic missions.

To add a layer of worry, the US is the second-most nuclear equipped country in the world. Politically instability here puts the nukes in the hands of groups with ambiguous goals. It would be in the interests of the outside world to make sure the conflict doesn't get any worse and to most importantly prevent the most radical groups from ever getting control of all the warheads.
Maybe there are nations "backing" each of the factions who are their primary benefactor unless they have like a crime ring to support them?


This might be a thing, but for any major commercial activity the best anyone'd hope for is support with weapons and shit. But this boils down to who which nation would prefer. On a broader scale most reasonable great powers - the UK and western Europe most likely, Mexico and Canada too - may actively be seeking a diplomatic solution to the conflict to stitch America back together again. So in order to not perpetuate the conflict military aid may be minimal as well, or out of necessity flowing directly to the old "legitimate" government of the United States to strengthen their position against imposing odds and instability. The international community's response to the war would be, with the exception of China, Russia may stay out of it is trying to put the old US back on track to maintain the old balance of power.

A model we'd have to be looking at would be the Russian Revolution and the old Ten Days That Changed the World. Global powers would be funneling resources into the US, but only to try and back up the old government in the same way the UK and US tried to give the White Army or Russian Republic material support to combat the Bolsheviks, and then as soon as the war was lost had to go back in with their armies just to recover the stuff they sent to the old provisional or imperial government to keep their stuff from getting into the hands of the new government.

Commercial cooperation with groups would be comparable to trying to buy oil from Northern Kurdish Iraq, they'd have the supply there but political competition from other nations or factions that can get in the way would make actively buying anything impossible or so frustrated it's not worth it large-scale. So like competing over the flow of internet data through the physical land-lines of the US, everyone would be throwing themselves at stopping the other person from turning the valves to the outside world on to actually get any material benefit.

Interestingly, @ClocktowerEchos would probably control all Trans-Atlantic communication over the internet. The giant-ass bundle of cables laid in the Atlantic to move internet traffic from east to west flow into his territory. That means the BBC, AlJazeera, and other European or whatnot outlets and means of communication would begin and end there in America.

California would probably control Trans-Pacific communication.
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I was considering a confederacy of ultracapitalist oil barons in the Dakotas - would that be too similar to your idea?


I don't think there's much oil in the Dakotas. Just natural gas.

Though this brings up something very worth considering: how necessarily would any faction in this RP be able to conduct such industrial operations as they would have prior?

Generally speaking, to have investment - material and financial - to carry stuff out like this you would need backing from hedge funds or some shit or other groups who would expect eventual returns on their investment. And the chance of getting any sort of return and the costs of operation in an unstable nation would drive up the costs and thereby lowering the profits. Actual civic or industrial investment from anyone not a charitable organization from outside would would be very small or entirely non-existent. Material support would most likely stem from outside countries looking to bolster the military strength of preferred groups on the off-hand chance they'll seize power and play nicely with them.

In all likelihood it would be "barons" fracking in an area using resources and infrastructure available to them before civil breakdown, and holding onto what already exists because it takes a while to actually expand operations. Meanwhile the collapse of the US and the collapse of the dollar too would further destabilize any notion of financial stability outside self-sufficiency, local trade, or even the black market; I say this because buying from anyone an active political power within the United State's civil war would be comparable to buying oil from the PKK or any Kurdish group today because that's indirectly considered buying from a terrorist cell.

The rest of the world would be shifting their energy needs to sources that aren't politically volatile or are totally independent or political volatility.
Contimplating as joining as free market radical anarchists. Mostly directed to making profit in beneficial ways. Though i may skew the line for fun. As profit = helping is a asepct of anarcho capitalism.


There is no ethical consumption under late stage anti-crony capitalism.
@ClocktowerEchos

Maoism and Stalinism are basically one of the same. Or enough so the party split isn't very great. One just favors more armed minorities and self-criticism than the other.

No, things really happen when you add Deng Xiaoping to the mix.

What the fuck is that abomination.


@DepressedSoviet

Personally my belief on this is if someone hasn't been posting apps then it's still up in the air, even if he'd consider going somewhere else. You don't necessarily need to launder shit through Cuba either.

But oh well, do your own thang.
@Dinh AaronMkWell, I'm going for a Puppet-Front of Communist/Chinese Sympathizers, set up via supplies shipped in clandestinely through Cuba, basically taking orders from the Chinese government, with the goal of taking the USA, converting it to a puppet ally of the Chinese state.


Wouldn't it make more sense to set up in Washington and Oregon?

It's a more direct route, and I doubt the Californian Republic would be able to even muster a real navy to take on Chinese freighters.
Anyone have any qualms if I take the Gulf Coast region?


>When you take the deep south to cock block muh CSA

I see nothing wrong.
Name of Faction:

The Free Territory

Flag:



Platform:

Libertarianism (left)

Important Individuals:

“Batko 2.0”
“The Dark Horse”

Territory:

The Great Lakes region (Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin)

History:

The modern notion of Left-Libertarianism as a synonymous replacement to Anarchism was born from the writings and lectures of Murray Bookchin through the middle of the 20th century up until his death in the 1990's. The notion was inherited and indirectly carried on by Noam Chomsky. While the two political philosophers largely spoke to a rather limited intellectual audience, the notion that Left Libertarianism could be pressed in the new century grew out of the tragic defeat of the Bernie campaign and a subsequent reanalysis of the left in America.

While far outside the typical left-right spectrum of American centrist politics the notion a group of effective Anarchists could carve out a swathe of free territory in the United State was probably nominally impossible. Though through the melt down of the United States in the face of a disastrous war in Asia the impossible came to bare.

Promoting first and foremost the idea that local municipal government can first address the issues facing the common population, left-libertarians found wide support among even nominal anti-government conservatives. And based in part the modern realized notion that it has been more the mayors and city governments of the United States who perform the real policy on the ground, the area that came to be known as the Free Territory emerged not as an incident involving the merger of state governments, but the move of some of the larger urban municipalities and their dependents merging in league with one another.

This political shift supplanted the local State Governments and even directly usurped them through the political shift to the smallest political unit outside of the normal state political process. Inevitably, state resources and organizations were surrendered to the Free Territory's League of Municipalities and they organized in the face of growing instability in the United States.

Nominally, the Free Territory believes more in the notion of self defense for the citizens and self management of its resources actively seeking a balance between the ability of the resources of the region to produce vs what the populace needs. By seizing faltering corporate assets in the crumbling United States, the Free Territory pushed out capitalism, and while some may claim it a necessity has constructed an economy of needs rather than an economy of consumptive demands.

Parallels to draw with other such experimental initiatives might be made to the Hungarian Uprising of 1956, the Zapatistas in southern Mexico, or the Rojava Kurds.

The leadership of the movement is nominally a large council of delegates from its numerous municipal polities that form that makeup of the government. Leaders identifiable to significant broad roles are functionally invisible, though some of its most eccentric faces are notable public, in particular the region's chief strategist and military adviser who has become compared to the likes of Nestor Makhno of the previous century and thus referred to at Batko 2.0.

Military Forces:

The Free Territory organizes itself on that most fundamental principle of military self-defense in America, the trained professional militia. On need the Territory has begun drafting or seeking volunteers within the territory to act is citizen soldiers. Reporting in to be trained and equipped before returning to civilian duties and reporting in at regular intervals to be drilled. The structure of the Militias follow local ordinance and regulation.

Outside of the locally organized units are the spontaneously raised groups of quasi-adventurer soldiers attracted to the romance of this Second Great Experiment. Referred to both as the Citizen Legions or the Dark Horse Legions after the nickname of one of its younger commanders, these groups are self-organized, self contained armies in miniature with their own organized artillery, motor/cavalry, and infantry squads. These ideological volunteers can compose local supporters who are self armed, supporters from elsewhere in the United States, or foreign volunteers from across North America or the world migrating into the area out of sympathy to the movement akin to the International Brigades of the Spanish Civil War or in the Kurdish military in Syria.
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