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@The Nexerus
You're arbitrarily assigning order to importance. If "In-depth story" were the first item on that list, would you then make that the deciding factor? I'm under the impression that you would still turn to post length for whatever reason, be it that it is quantifiable, or perhaps that you equate length to effort, or perhaps another reason entirely. However, at the end of the day, there are more descriptors than post length for a reason.
You're arbitrarily assigning order to importance. If "In-depth story" were the first item on that list, would you then make that the deciding factor? I'm under the impression that you would still turn to post length for whatever reason, be it that it is quantifiable, or perhaps that you equate length to effort, or perhaps another reason entirely. However, at the end of the day, there are more descriptors than post length for a reason.
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@The Nexerus
My biggest issue with your argument is the fact that this
"The primary distinguishing factor of the three sections is post length, full stop."
Is totally arbitrary and based on how you believe RPG ought to be run. As a whole, there is nothing that makes character development or story depth any less important than post length. I'm personally of the opinion that if an RP requires a higher level of skill to participate, it belongs in a higher category as they're not divided. I would totally agree with you if they were divided in terms of post length exclusively, but if that were the deciding favor, the names/descriptions would not be what they are.
My biggest issue with your argument is the fact that this
"The primary distinguishing factor of the three sections is post length, full stop."
Is totally arbitrary and based on how you believe RPG ought to be run. As a whole, there is nothing that makes character development or story depth any less important than post length. I'm personally of the opinion that if an RP requires a higher level of skill to participate, it belongs in a higher category as they're not divided. I would totally agree with you if they were divided in terms of post length exclusively, but if that were the deciding favor, the names/descriptions would not be what they are.
@The Nexerus
Please keep the attitude and discussion civil. To quote the descriptions,
"For roleplaying involving one-liners, few-liners, speed-posting, and for anyone who doesn't want to have to worry about standards. See individual GM for RP specific standards"
"Roleplay here if you enjoy writing at least a paragraph or two, character development, and some depth. Grammar and spelling are encouraged. Generally one paragraph (a few sentences) per post. See individual GM for RP specific standards"
There's a lot more going on here than simple post length; that is one piece of several. I'd also like to add that while I don't particularly subscribe to the notion that Advanced RPers are obnoxious (I don't particularly pay attention to the politics/perceived classes but on the site), the best way to fight the notion people have that it exists would be to show kindness/peace/respect to all people on the Guild, irrespective of where they choose to post. Each of us can only do our part to accomplish that.
Please keep the attitude and discussion civil. To quote the descriptions,
"For roleplaying involving one-liners, few-liners, speed-posting, and for anyone who doesn't want to have to worry about standards. See individual GM for RP specific standards"
"Roleplay here if you enjoy writing at least a paragraph or two, character development, and some depth. Grammar and spelling are encouraged. Generally one paragraph (a few sentences) per post. See individual GM for RP specific standards"
There's a lot more going on here than simple post length; that is one piece of several. I'd also like to add that while I don't particularly subscribe to the notion that Advanced RPers are obnoxious (I don't particularly pay attention to the politics/perceived classes but on the site), the best way to fight the notion people have that it exists would be to show kindness/peace/respect to all people on the Guild, irrespective of where they choose to post. Each of us can only do our part to accomplish that.
@The Nexerus
I addressed all of that and you honed into something I also addressed. All your argument is is your definition of what Free and Casual "ought" to be, which is, in the context of what it is represented as in RPG, totally arbitrary.
@Odin
"Wanted to move it into Advanced"
Do you have a source on this? It appears incorrect based on my understanding of the situation.
"Believed it was better suited..."
That's reasonable. I have no problem with recommending that the forum name/descriptions change; my point is just that currently, I have not observed any roleplays breaking the current descriptions.
"Subjective...doesn't match"
I totally agree that it's subjective. However, I don't think that it's fair to say that something very clearly doesn't match the criteria when there's more to the criteria than simple post length.
I believe that there is a misunderstanding in your last two paragraphs. My meaning behind Mahz deciding what goes where was only that he is the arbiter of all forum and subforum standards. Therefore ultimately, what goes where falls under his discretion and will be moved/removed if he so chooses. Our benevolent dictator for life.
Overall, I have no problem with your suggestions. I only believe that it should stand on the grounds that it will improve the current state of the forum rather than on the grounds that the current system is fundamentally flawed.
I addressed all of that and you honed into something I also addressed. All your argument is is your definition of what Free and Casual "ought" to be, which is, in the context of what it is represented as in RPG, totally arbitrary.
@Odin
"Wanted to move it into Advanced"
Do you have a source on this? It appears incorrect based on my understanding of the situation.
"Believed it was better suited..."
That's reasonable. I have no problem with recommending that the forum name/descriptions change; my point is just that currently, I have not observed any roleplays breaking the current descriptions.
"Subjective...doesn't match"
I totally agree that it's subjective. However, I don't think that it's fair to say that something very clearly doesn't match the criteria when there's more to the criteria than simple post length.
I believe that there is a misunderstanding in your last two paragraphs. My meaning behind Mahz deciding what goes where was only that he is the arbiter of all forum and subforum standards. Therefore ultimately, what goes where falls under his discretion and will be moved/removed if he so chooses. Our benevolent dictator for life.
Overall, I have no problem with your suggestions. I only believe that it should stand on the grounds that it will improve the current state of the forum rather than on the grounds that the current system is fundamentally flawed.
@Odin
I am very well aware of Myriad Reality—in fact, it's almost as if the suggestion was written with that in mind. However, you seem to be a part of a collection of people that dislike it for its ARG-esque style (or at least its location on this site). While the Free category does state "involving one-liners, few-liners, speed-posting," it also states "and for anyone who doesn't want to have to worry about standards." This line attracts a great deal of low-effort posters, and (at least for Myriad Reality), the standards are very high—they happen to turn away many individuals who do not meet them. Casual, on the other hand, mentions "enjoy writing at least a paragraph or two, character development, and some depth." While speed posting does not match the first qualification, it does match the latter two, considering character development is mostly performed irrespective of post length, as well as depth. "Grammar and spelling are encouraged" implies that it is of significantly less consequence in Free. So for that one in particular, it aligns more with Casual (or Advanced, if you want to chase that rabbit trail) in every qualification other than post length.
The main point of this being that if you want to change the qualifications for each subforum to post length, feel free to lobby all you want for it, but I don't believe that it is correct to use roleplays that match a majority of the current descriptors as evidence that there is an inherent problem with the system. Though I would like to point out that at the end of the day, it is Mahz, not the users, who decides what is interpreted as what on his site.
I am very well aware of Myriad Reality—in fact, it's almost as if the suggestion was written with that in mind. However, you seem to be a part of a collection of people that dislike it for its ARG-esque style (or at least its location on this site). While the Free category does state "involving one-liners, few-liners, speed-posting," it also states "and for anyone who doesn't want to have to worry about standards." This line attracts a great deal of low-effort posters, and (at least for Myriad Reality), the standards are very high—they happen to turn away many individuals who do not meet them. Casual, on the other hand, mentions "enjoy writing at least a paragraph or two, character development, and some depth." While speed posting does not match the first qualification, it does match the latter two, considering character development is mostly performed irrespective of post length, as well as depth. "Grammar and spelling are encouraged" implies that it is of significantly less consequence in Free. So for that one in particular, it aligns more with Casual (or Advanced, if you want to chase that rabbit trail) in every qualification other than post length.
The main point of this being that if you want to change the qualifications for each subforum to post length, feel free to lobby all you want for it, but I don't believe that it is correct to use roleplays that match a majority of the current descriptors as evidence that there is an inherent problem with the system. Though I would like to point out that at the end of the day, it is Mahz, not the users, who decides what is interpreted as what on his site.
avoid having advanced RP and free RP in the casual section and having casual in advanced, etc.
However, this entirely seems to be situated on your interpretation of what the different subforums "should" be, not what the definitions of them are. I don't mean to sound nitpicky, but based on the current guidelines, a lot of RPs that seem to irk you due to their placement actually do belong in the category in which they reside, simply because RPG currently defines the terms differently. If you wish to petition to change what each subforum is for, that's perfectly legitimate, but the complaint doesn't lie in the idea that some RPs are implicitly "breaking the rules," so to speak.
@Odin
I recommend changing the names, however. A fast-paced RP may still be comprised of extremely dedicated RPers, while an RP of people who flake off in two days can still be in the "Dedicated" section due to long post length. If RPG is changing the implementation and wants to rid itself of this perception of tiers, it needs to label the categories in ways that do not directly have to do with each other instead of creating systems that may or may not imply superiority to some people (e.g. "slow, medium, or fast"). Right now, the system is set up in terms of depth, where Free is for shallow RPs lacking a complicated storyline, whereas Advanced maxes that out while also implying a set of long posts. Casual falls somewhere in between. If you want to change that system, I recommend a very well-defined set of intentions for each category with no obvious hierarchy in place.
I recommend changing the names, however. A fast-paced RP may still be comprised of extremely dedicated RPers, while an RP of people who flake off in two days can still be in the "Dedicated" section due to long post length. If RPG is changing the implementation and wants to rid itself of this perception of tiers, it needs to label the categories in ways that do not directly have to do with each other instead of creating systems that may or may not imply superiority to some people (e.g. "slow, medium, or fast"). Right now, the system is set up in terms of depth, where Free is for shallow RPs lacking a complicated storyline, whereas Advanced maxes that out while also implying a set of long posts. Casual falls somewhere in between. If you want to change that system, I recommend a very well-defined set of intentions for each category with no obvious hierarchy in place.
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