Fabricant451

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@SouffleGirl123 Every time she sees or hears the two of them maybe having a moment she'll be like "Are they? ARE THEY!?"

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However, I'm still confident in Suicide Squad being a good movie and hopefully what kicks DC into gear because they e been lagging behind terribly.

@HalfOfLancelot

I'm less confident but I generally like David Ayer (End of Watch was super great) and I really want Will Smith to have something good again because he could use another hit. But the trailers that I've seen haven't filled me with optimism. Is it weird that when I saw the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer before BvS the first thing I thought was "Wow, they're going after Guardians of the Galaxy, huh?"

I just...I hope it's rated R.

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Bugs are easy to deal with.

Animals, though?

Well do we still have bombs?

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also wanted to chime in that I only went to see BvS because Henry Cavill is my kind of sexy.

@HalfOfLancelot

Same but with Gal Gadot and then that turned out to be not worth the admission.

_{that's a lie i saw it because i'm an idiot}

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Oh it's practically guaranteed to be better than BvS. BvS was a two and a half hour trainwreck and a fundamental misunderstanding of the titular characters. Marvel movies at least care enough to have their movies treat their characters with some sort of respect even if it means having to have the whiplash of different directors having different takes on the movies. Which is why I'm actually glad that Marvel is having the Russo Brothers take over for Whedon because despite my thoughts on the back half of Winter Soldier, that opening scene and quick fist fight with Batroc was ace and the Russo's know how to shoot an action scene.

I'm still going to be that asshole who literally just spend their night going "Ugh Marvel movies" but still goes to the day one showing so really I'm the problem

I'm really just wanting to see Chadwick Boseman because he made me hate James Brown and also love James Brown all over again and he's great and he better not be in the mask the whole time I swear

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@HalfOfLancelot _{it's okay we still love you}

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Oh, oh, I adore Chris Evans so I don't feel you there.

@flightless-angel-castiel

I'll just say it now: I liked him more as Johnny Storm. I've just...I've never seen him in a movie where I went "Man that's a good actor". I don't think he's bad I just...not a fan.

ScarJo, eh. I'm iffy on her. I didn't like her in Lucy at all, but I didn't think the movie was that great, either.

I've seen two movies where I've liked her and then she's spent the entire rest of her career showing me that I was stupid for ever thinking she'd be someone to watch. Then there was a moment in 2014 where I was like "Oh man she's finally...nope, never mind".

(This reminds me of the reboot Star Trek movies. A wonderfully deep show about the characters and actual issues dumbed down into action and half naked women. Fucking beautiful, right?)

OH GOD DON'T REMIND ME. Into Darkness was like watching something you loved be slowly stabbed to death in front of your eyes.

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Whoop, guess that subject change didn't work... it was a boring one, I admit.

Well, the movie hasn't come out, so passing judgement now would be strange. And the cast, in my opinion, are a great cast of actors who can show a range of emotions and development. UNFORTUNATELY, I feel like the plot is more so going to focus more heavily on the disagreements, rather than Bucky's struggles of getting over Hydra's brainwash, and so yeah, character development probably won't be that great. The problem with those movies is that, while there is development and the actors do great with what they're given, it's gotta be about action first and foremost. There has been great scenes in all Avengers movie, though, of development and telling reveals of the characters on top of the action. So, yeah, the action is, of course, going to be a focus because that's what the movie-goers want, but I'm hopeful there will be some development shining upon Bucky, and showing his struggle of remembering the things Hydra took away from him.

Because, again, Bucky had no control over himself. And I am positive he feels like fucking trash over what Hydra has made him done, and I am also positive he will want to atone for it.

I feel bad for the others that will come back and see us debating about Marvel. This is a good night for me, though. Marvel is life for me.

@flightless-angel-castiel

I don't have a problem with the actors. I think most of them are fine at what they do. I mean, I don't like ScarJo or Chris Evans and think Paul Rudd is more annoying than endearing and Jeremy whoever is bad and Hemsworth is not a good actor but I mean they're fine. I just meant that the movie seems to be loaded with characters and all the promotional stuff makes this out to be like an Avengers but with the C-Tier guys now, and considering the last Avengers movie well...you understand my skepticism. My problem with Marvel movies is that they never really aspire to be anything other than makework because they don't have to. Winter Soldier was the first time I was almost convinced that one of their movies could legit be great but then the third act happened and I was back to my "Oh, wait, no, it's just the same, nevermind" mentality.

The movies will never have great characters or development because that's not the point of these movies. They're fine for big dumb action movies but I'm at the point in my life where my whole 'I like nerdy things and comic books' doesn't translate to 'OH SHIT THE CHARACTERS I LIKE ON THE SCREEN THIS IS AWESOME' and I wind up just leaving any given Marvel movie going 'Well I mean I guess it was okay?', or 'I'm glad they got rid of Whedon because boy that was bad' or 'Oh right it's Thor that's why it was garbage'.

Stark had an entire movie of PTSD that ended with him destroying his suits and then the next time we see him he's fine and dandy and has a bunch of suits again because consistency is too hard I guess.

I'm not one of those people that are like 'CAPE MOVIES ARE THE WORST UGH' but I am one of those people that are like 'Why can't these movies be BETTER?'

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@Altered Tundra It's rather obvious at this stage in the game that Natasha is never acting out of her own self interest. She's either working for Fury or at the request of Fury to the point that she helped Cap become a fugitive when SHIELD was compromised because the person she was loyal to most was dead at that point, which she wasn't aware was a deception. Now with SHIELD being whatever the hell it is in the movies now, she was allied with the Avengers at the end of Ultron.

Chances are pretty high at this point that whatever Natasha does will in some way benefit the team. Widow knows the value in manipulation and subterfuge because literally everyone else would prefer just going smashy smashy shooty shieldy to get things done.

Whose USB was it that was a plot point in Winter Soldier and who was it that got it? Widow.

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@Fabricant451 Aw, I thought we were having a fun and healthy debate xD

If you wanna change the subject...... HOW ABOUT THAT WEATHER IN YOUR PLACES, GUYS, HUH? It's rainy here, oh boy. Napping weather!

EDIT: thing is, Bucky isn't fine, and we haven't seen him after Winter Solider because he hasn't been in any other movies until now. Obviously, he is going to be struggling in Civil War. He hasn't been given a chance to atone, and he still isn't being given that chance.

@flightless-angel-castiel

And maybe if he actually has a character in Civil War I might be willing to cut him some slack. But considering the cast I have my doubts that character development will be a focus in the movie. I mean, why start now