Fabricant451

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And truthfully, writers are often the worst at judging their own merits. For better or for worse.

@SleepingSilence

Boy tell me about it.

Uh...no. No, I didn't do that. That was the other person.

What the fuck ever you know what I meant. Point still stands since you can't tell me what makes an objectively quality story.

Is this a "your an idiot" kind of ironic example of making the very same mistake within a critique? Where you meant, "I disagreed that there's subjectivity to quality? If so, that's still not correct. I conceded on a personal level, the beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

It's 'you're'. As a writer I would expect you to know this.

Also, from the very moment that this was posted, this already had the issue of being dated. (Because I've posted so much now, that I can't honestly tell which one that you're describing. (INB4, lul them all.)

Yes that's the joke. It's way funnier now.

But duly noted, regardless. I did my best to make my reply's of "you're an asshole, because I thought so." a little more...substantive let's say.

Hey man I would respect you or anyone way way way more if they just came out and called someone an asshole instead of getting into pissing contests.

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Subjective opinion and objective quality are two different things.

You are conflating the two by strawmanning my position.

And not to steal from Jim Sterling. But, There is no "perfect story". There are only "perfect stories". So my answer depends on what you're looking for, now doesn't it?

@SleepingSilence

I'm not strawmanning anything. You disagreed that there was an objective quality to story telling. You cannot provide any example of the objective best way to tell a story because it doesn't fucking exist because when discussing art - which writing absolutely is - objective criticism is meaningless. People need to stop trying to make 'objective' the new normal when discussing things. Objectively, your post from 28 minutes ago is structured poorly. Subjectively it's a quality post because it made me fucking cackle and shit myself.

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What if...it's not for the critic's benefit. But meant to benefit the writer?

@SleepingSilence

Do you think a critic knows better than the person who made the thing they are criticizing. Generally. I'm sure there's some specific cases where William Shakespeare told Thomas Middleton "hey you should do this in iambic pentameter, trust me, everyone's gonna not give a shit about that in the future" but the point of critique isn't to tell the writer/director/whatever what you would do and why it would be better because it's what you would do. That's stroking the ego and it's really no different than people who watch a movie and go "Pfft, I could write a better movie than that!" and then they can't. There's a reason published critique doesn't have the critic going "I didn't like this book but if the author used more page space to talk about the food in detail I would've loved it and it would've been better because I'm George R. R. Martin and I know best."

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Can writing be bad?

@SleepingSilence

Yes it can. But something I think is bad might be good to someone else. That's how this works. Now please answer the question.

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I think I remembered the worst writing advice I was ever given. There's no such thing as comma splicing so just use commas like you're throwing ones at a strip club.

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I fundamentally disagree. And that's just wrong.

@SleepingSilence

What is the objectively best story ever told or the objectively best way to tell a story?

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Also, "Laugh off your critics" is bad advice too.

@SleepingSilence

I dunno, sometimes critics can be fucking hilarious.

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