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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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So it's Bioware's fault that new players don't know Garrus and haven't play the first game? come on. I don't even understand what you're getting at with the 'BUT' there.

@Ace of Hearts

No its Biowares fault for not doing a whole lot with Garrus character in ME2 apart from making him 'badass'.

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but I love Garrus.

@Ace of Hearts

Its funny you mention Garrus, hes a great character but damn near all of that was because of ME1.

When you first meet him, hes a mild mannered but frustrated cop who is struggling with the politics of regulation to what he sees as getting in the way of justice. He essentially stays cool and dutiful but there is a very subtle and well written hint of his personality, that a part of him is a little more wild and pragmatic, and your many conversations with him slowly tease that out which culminates in the Dr Heart mission.

Mass Effect 2 shows you what he evolved into with 2 years without shepard, a more violent and headstrong vigilante, finally free of the restraints of procedure.

BUT

If you just jump into ME2 on its own with no prior knowledge of his ME1 character hes just this Cool Swaggering Badass who makes snarky jokes every now and again. ME2 is so obsessed with making everything darker and edgier it misses a lot of the subtle charms of ME1.

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Subjectively, of course. I don't particular care for things being 'unknowable or indescribable'. it's lazy. I don't like Lovecraft.

but I love Garrus.

@Ace of Hearts

And what aspects of Jacob's flat, boring, one note persona do you particularly care for that make him more intruging to you?

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>'Some of ME2 characters are good, some are meh, some are quite bad'
Are we talking objectively or subjectively here? A lot of 'gamers' confuse these two concepts. I like Jacob. I like his loyalty mission, too.

I'd call it more two quests and their conversations, but character development arcs are tied up in 3, not 2.

I like the characters and characterization in ME2, and I don't believe that focusing on the crew of the Normandy over crazy robot cthulhu beasts that aren't even particularly intriguing because they're so unknowable in their unknownness counts as filler is all.

@Ace of Hearts

EDIT: so you are objectively or subjectively saying that the reapers arent particularly intruging?

@Fabricant451 youre awfully quiet all of a sudden.

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Just like New Vegas.

I always felt like the characters were the main focus of Mass Effect 2, not exactly the Reaper part. and it's not just 'some cool characters', most of the quests you have are recruitment and loyalty missions. ME2 isn't filler, it just doesn't focus on the Reaper conflict as much as it does Shepard and their crew.

@Ace of Hearts

Yes thats why New Vegas doesnt have a number next to it. As apposed to Mass Effect 2 which was direct sequel, the two aren't really comparable plot wise.

Some of ME2 characters are good, some are meh, some are quite bad. Regardless, the game doesnt really give you enough time for them to develop. 1 recruitment and 1 loyalty mission each spreads it all a bit too thin. Can you really tell me what we learned about Jacob in his loyalty mission? Does anyone even care?

ME2 is filler, taking a break from the main plot to focus on Shepard N Pals, however entertaining is still filler. I don't think it makes at a bad game, but that's what filler means.

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@Fabricant451

I think I finally agree with you.

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What exactly about ME2 makes it 'filler'?

@Ace of Hearts

The whole collectors plot really doesn't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things, they are just another baddie faction being controlled by the reapers. Apart from the human colony abductions to build that ridiculous terminator they weren't posing any sort of threat to the universe that the was some how more pressing than the reapers.

Mass Effect 2 has a Dark and funny script with a some cool characters, but the whole game is essentially a glorified side quest.

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Yeah, can we stop posting Youtube Game Memesters and Twitter posts as if it's some end all be all commentary on the state of games in general?

@Ace of Hearts

Games in general? I'm pretty sure we were only talking about Andromeda and I only shared videos with footage from Andromeda.