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My point was to emphasize the difference between the "Alt-Right" and the actual Alt-Right, because the two terms are used so interchangeably and with purpose in doing so. When you say Alt-Right, there are a fair amount of people who point to the section I was speaking about and all the way to the actual end of the spectrum that has those persons you were speaking to, @Dynamo Frokane. I am not fond of the phrase for that reason.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Yes absolutely and my point is the best way to differentiate is by self identification, I challenge anyone to find someone who self identifies as alt right or happily accepts the label who isn't also a white nationalist.

If someone is rejecting the label of Alt Right then they more than likely are not.

For example, if you were to ask Richard Spencer if he was Alt-Right he would enthusiatically say yes as he has done before.

If you were to ask Gavin McInnes, he might find a way to skirt around the question for a bit but he would ultimately say no.

And there is your method, as I said before just because some labels are used incorrectly in some cases it doesn't mean that the label has no merit at all.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@The Harbinger of Ferocity I'm not sure what the argument is here Cat-Man (if there isn't any contention to what I said I apologise) , I already acknowledged that some on the left incorrectly call random right wing people alt-right.

My stance is that those who call themselves alt right, or a self described advocate or ally for alt right causes are white nationalists and I've seen no examples to the contrary.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

Ah you are talking about the many flavors of Alt Right racists, not drawing a distinction.

@Penny

Yeah I mean there are flavours but the central point was that all self described alt righters are white nationalists, and by definition any sort of racial nationalist is a racist.

But you will see some 'muddy the waters' tactics that just because some people are incorrectly labelled alt right by some of the leftist media (Milo, Gavin McInnes, Ben Shapiro, Tomi Lahren) that the word suddenly has no meaning which is as stupid as saying just because some people mislabel Obama as a communist there are no communists and its a useless term.

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@Fabricant451@Penny

Its just a meme, girls!

I suppose something I wanted to say earlier to mdk, buddha and cat-man was that the Alt-right once upon a time were a fairly diverse and hard to define movement. I remember there even being Alt-Right liberals, anarchists and centrists before the election because the mass media had a hard on for a new buzzword to describe anyone who supported trump and also disliked Paul Ryan.

But post-Trump the writing is on the wall, Alt Right means modern internet savvy white nationalist. Its very very very simple. I dare anyone to find me one self described alt righter who isn't also a white nationalist. I'll wait. Alt Lite=/=Alt Right but you knew that.

Where it gets a bit more vague is what flavor of racist they come in, all self described alt-righters are WNs but they aren't ALL white supremacists, not all of them are Neo-Nazis and not all of them are KKK, and another thing to recognize is that these groups don't necessarily get on with each other. Also you can be a regular ignorant racist without being alt right.

But yes there are still those on the left and even the right who like to fling the term at anyone somewhat edgy and a bit racist, but unless they call themselves alt-right then the term is meaningless, its a term of choice, you cant really prescribe it to people unless they say it.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

Let's keep the passive aggression on both sides of this debate to a limit, its a good convo so far though.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

I'd start with 'retards' but yeah, I understand what you're saying. Not that I've seen the nazi flag, heard nazi terminology or putting on swastika armbands.

@Odin

I mean as far as charlottesville they definitely were there. And they were shouting nazi slogans like 'blood and soil' and 'jew will not divide us'.

I'm European too, and I definitely wouldn't call all right wing extremists nazis, but Its safe to say that all modern neo-nazis are most likely right wing extremists, I agree that the real 1940s nazis would probably look at this bunch of pasty, out of shape virgins and vomit, but for the sake of convenience they are just being called Nazis because that's clearly what they are aiming for.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@The Harbinger of Ferocity Okay thanks for your point of view.

I suppose the only question I do have is do you feel like the usual labels were unjustified? When I first saw him, I thought he was a moderate (if slightly passive aggressive) conservative trump supporter. But upon viewing his more recent videos he does seem to be something closer to white nationalist and or white supremacist sympathizer at the very least.

But If you don't follow his recent stuff, I suppose you wouldn't have caught this, no worries.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@The Harbinger of Ferocity Sorry I should have tagged you as well Cat-Man, do you have an opinion on James Allsup? (if you've heard of him).

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@mdk Also a little unrelated but what do you think of James Allsup?

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