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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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As much as I don't like triggeredsilence this is pretty fucking ironic

@Andreyich

Thanks for the input, right on time like I requested.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@The Harbinger of Ferocity You are correct that classically white nationalist gangs have not used these recruiting tools in the past, but the modern day alt right is something of a different animal. I dont nessecarily disagree that people who become White nationalists might have been going down that road anyway, but the same can bes said about any fringe group, thats a nature vs nurture argument that im not sure either of us are qualified to have.

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@SleepingSilence You really want to turn this into another personal spat and its not going to happen, stop @ing me if you cant construct a response without an insult. I'm not going to ask you again.

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I..... need to do more research to understand the concept of trolling? I've been in this thread long enough, I think I get the concept by now.

@mdk

You dont know who jason kessler is, so your understandin of the context on a poll presented by him is limited, I dont know how else to tell ya, you need more info. You can be stubborn about it but dont start bashing the thread cause you dont have a decent response.

What Roleplay section do you mostly post in?

I need to try Arena. I used to do RP fights all the time back on my old Roleplay site but I never did step into it here.

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@Heat You look like a young manager who got promoted quicker than his older colleagues.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@mdk Understanding who the guy is, is definitely important to understanding the context of the twitter poll, a bit more research is needed to better understand the point I'm making too.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity Well my counter argument is that while historically the loudest and proudest of the far-right white supremacists would march loudly and say "white power" with no apology, there is absolutely no doubt that this form of white nationalism in modern times is a little more subversive and strategic on how they proclaim their views. It's definately a mixed bag. People like Andrew Anglin of the daily stormer is an open Neo-Nazi who celebrates, hitler's birthday. But someone like Richard Spencer calls himself an 'identitarian' and considers his veiws to be fairly mainstream. These are two ways of presenting the same argument. And they both consider themselves to be Alt-Right.

Understanding the individuals in this group is very important in understanding not only their motives but also their tactics and behavior. But I agree with you in the sense that there was already a bunch of WNs out there, and these people aren't nessecarily aren't just regular people who woke up to become racists. I did a lengthy post about stormfront a couple pages back, did you read it?

@SleepingSilence Okay so strawman right away, I never have once said that true conservative ideals aren't about treating people with merit, you might have me confused with someone else, but it invalidates your perspective a bit when you say something like that.

Also there are many things happening at the same time, yes there is a general meme culture getting bigger and bigger and yes not all of it has to do with Donald trump. But the Alt-Right definitely does exist and is very easily defined group, so no I wont agree that it never existed.

Remember Alt-Right wasn't created on some 4 chan board it was coined by Richard Spencer himself back in 2008. As the break off of the most extremist wing of the Ron Paul movement, which he described himself. Its a group that preaches white nationalism, and they don't even try to deny this. If you don't like the term alt right because at has been used incorrectly regarding some people then fine, I don't like it either.

But Richard Spencer, Vox Day, Red Ice Radio, Baked Alaska, Tara McCarthy, Millennial Woes, Andrew Anglin, Kyle Chapman, Jason Kessler, Matthew Hiembach, Bre Fauchex, Brittany Pettibone, Emily Youcis, Matt Forney, Matthew Drake, Nick Feuntes, James Allsup, David Sedner, Nathan Damiago.... and I honestly could name more but you get the point. All of these people are self admitted white nationalists/white identitarians and they all call themselves the alt right. There is no universe in which the Alt Right aren't clearly defined and dont exist.

Now I'm not for a second saying that they are as big as they claim to be or that they have any real power in government, as I don't equate these people with the general republican party. In fact most of these guys do their recruiting from apolitical but disenfranchised male groups such as gamer-gaters, mens rights activists, and 4 chan trolls who to be honest, arent really democratic or republican, just a lot of directionless young people who want to be edgy. If you don't know who the people who I've stated above are, please do a little bit of research on them before responding to me so that we are on the same page.

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I think a large percentage of the Alt-Right, just stems from trolling the self proclaimed victims of society.

@SleepingSilence

Ben Shapiro did a video on this. If people are literally just trolling for the sake of trolling then they probably weren't alt right to begin with. But the Alt-Right is absolutely a lot smaller than they would have you believe I agree with you. They used the meme culture thing to ecompass a broader range of shitposters to make the movement seem more powerful and popular than it really was, which ironically made them more popular and powerful.

Richard Spencer mentioned that a lot of 4chan users 'tricked themselves' into being white nationalists. They were saying all that 'gas the jews' crap to be edgy and piss people off, but then slowly started reading more and more nazi material and white nationalist talking points and ended up down the rabbit hole.

I have no problem saying that the media occasionally calls the wrong people alt right. But then I'm not going to go super contrarian reactionary and say that the dont exist and the whole thing is a lie. They are a real group, and they are fairly popular at this moment. How popular they end up? We will just have to see.

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@The Harbinger of Ferocity I can see why you Roleplay Cat-Man. You are very good at expanding on fairly simple point, makes for good reading makes it easier to digest.

I mean I don't think we are in any disagreement here. I definitely think its okay to be white, I was just attempting to empathize with those who voted no on that poll, that while their actions might have been short sighted, their actualy ideology may not of been that of 'anti-white' rhetoric.

The only thing I disagree with you on is that notion that a poor white nationalist would only say its okay to be white. I would argue the opposite that a very clever and subversive white nationalist would use something a statement that is fairly agreeable as a starting point/gateway drug to some heavier views in their direction to convert people who might have been turned off by the more 'pure' rhetoric. It's acutally an extremely common recruting tool not just used by fringe ideologies such as White Power Gangs and Islamists but also cults.

But yes, everything else seem to be in order, good chat.

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@The Harbinger of Ferocity Well as with everything its a matter of context, if you are sympathetic to white nationalism then you will take the Alt-Right seriously. Just like if you are sympathetic to gamer-gate, black lives matter etc you will obviously follow the voices that echo your own biases or thoughts.

I don't speak for 'the media' so I don't know exactly who thinks it is or isn't okay to be white, clearly it is okay, but I can see how some people might be uncomfortable with the term when it gets thrown around heavily in some alt-right circles. If you accept that someone like Richard Spencer is not a very popular figure then you can understand the reluctance to repeat something that he is repeating if its seems too close to his ideology, I personally don't have that problem but you can see why some people might be gun-shy. Its similar why you dont see regular black people saying 'black power' with the solidarity fist. Not because there is anything particularly wrong with that statement in a vacuum, but because it is associated with a fairly radical and militant group that most regular folk don't feel a desire to align themselves with.

In the case of that twitter poll, again it has to be viewed in context, that is not representative of the country, while 20,000 plus people might seem like a lot on paper, we don't know the demographics of the voters of that twitter poll and I'm almost certain that a lot of those 'no' votes were simply to spite Jason Kessler because he's a very unpopular person. In the same way you might see a lot of downvotes on a video for Anita Sarkeesian.

If you feel I'm saying anything unreasonable here, please highlight and address it, I enjoy talking with you but I very much want to stay on this very particular topic, and at this point am not interested in a greater discussion about the broader media or anything outside this particular twitter poll.