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Probably pretty marginal considering people actually listen to Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Paul Joseph Watson, Milo Yiannopoulos, Rush Limbaugh...

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

Not really, this is basic marketing, everyone you listed has their niche appeal. Alex Jones built his crowd from the hardcore conspiracy niche and has over the top screaming presentation. He elevated himself to viral meme status. Ben Shapiros niche is an ultra-confident fast talking 'logic machine' who is very good at making left wing college students look stupid. Paul Joseph Watson is the classic 'dry humor' condescending british idealouge archetype that americans have always enjoyed. Milo is the flamoyant bitchy gay troll who can double up as a stand up comedian on his tours. Rush Limbaugh is also a flamboyant and extroverted personality (less so than milo or jones) and is helped by the fact he has been around for a LONG time and caught the wave of the always right leaning talk radio crowd who he's had a long time to appeal to.

Lauren Southern brings absolutely nothing to the table that someone else hasn't done more successfully before her. She doesn't attempt to be funny, she isn't very good in debates, nothing about her demeanor stands out. She's popular because shes a pretty girl with right wing opinions. Sex appeal is all she has.

I challenge you to 'describe' Lauren Southern's personality to me in a way that might make me or any other men in my age group interested in listening to her if I didn't already know she was a hot 22 year old blonde. If you think Lauren Southern would have the same audience if she was a fat 78 year old balding mexican man you are dreaming. Don't downplay the effect of optics.

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"Fans only support this girl, because they're sexless virgins who are desperate for pussy."

@SleepingSilence

I know youre not interested in girls, so maybe it isnt instantly apparent to you. But do you really think that sex appeal has NOTHING to do with her popularity?

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OR, we could try civil conversation.

Ive been conversating just fine, just not with you.

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"Alt-Right Ben Shapiro". Okay. You clearly know, literally anything. Mmm-hm.

@SleepingSilence

I remember when Kratesis said the exact same thing, and you didnt have a problem with it (because she's right wing I assume). This is why Bias seems to be your issue.

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They won't listen. I've tried.

@POOHEAD189

Yeah I'm not doing this, he's using the word ad-hominem incorrectly again, and misunderstanding the rule/exception with home office spelling mistakes. Also ive literally explained the UK ban list 4 times and its just being glossed over, until someone can show me the law that jails people for ' anti islam thought crime' and then explain why that hasnt been used to imprison Katie Hopkins or Milo in the UK, then this is just a bunch of hot air.

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Well you know guys preaching that Islam is destined to take over the world, infidels deserve to die, homosexuals need to be thrown off roofs, and generally every needs to convert to Islam or be beheaded is just a wee bit different from people concerned that native cultures are disappearing as massive waves of refugees are flooding into countries without proper vetting. Big difference between threatening death and actively inciting people to kill in Allah's name, and people who want to kick out immigrants after they see a huge rise in crimes such as rape in their cities being done mostly by the newcomers.

@IceHeart

So all white nationalists, neo nazis and ethnostaters want is basic bitch conservative 'tighter immigration policy'? Oh phew I was worried for a minute that they might actually be dangerous....

You seem to know a lot about radical islam, can you tell me about ethno-state proposals? I mean obviously you wouldn't be comparing the two unless you were totally read up and informed on both sides right?

Also you know who in the UK are afraid to talk? Anyone who has a beef with their new islamic neighbors. When someone can be visited by police officers for just being critical of Islam, there is something very wrong coming on, especially in what should be a mostly secular society.

@IceHeart

Nope Nope Nope you are going to have to do better than one cherrpicked story about a guy getting a friendly visit from the police. There is zero context in this story. We don't know if there are tensions between him and someone else on Facebook that he knows. We don't know if the man has prior dealings with the police. We don't even know the nature of the criticism. I'm not going to ignore literal hundreds of thousands of conservative and anti islam rhetoric which gets streamed into our radios, podcasts and TVs every day with ZERO legal repercussion from our so called thought police because of one anonymous friendly warning reported on jihadi watch.

So I ask you again, if criticizing islam is punishable by law in the UK why isn't a famous commentator like Katie Hopkins in jail for it yet? Tell me your theory has some consistency.

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@Dynamo Frokane Are you denying that those three people were detained? You clearly seem to think they were banned because "unlike the US, we don't allow crazy extremists to speak". So that seems to acknowledged they got banned for thought crimes. I haven't "complained" about it, because I haven't seen it brought up. Do you have links for that?

@SleepingSilence

They were detained entry because the are affiliated with a white nationalist group. We would do the same if they were KKK members, its pretty straightforward stuff.

What do you need links for? Generation Identity? Do you need proof that Martin Sellner is a racist?

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@POOHEAD189



The white power barbie thing is in full effect here, this video gives me the fucking creeps. Getting two of the best looking white girls in the alt right to ask horny young racist losers "how much are you willing to sacrifice even when all hope seems lost?" Shit sounds like a goddamn cult.

@SleepingSilence Two of those links are broken, and posting two 'supposed' home office letters to twitter isn't proof of anything, they could be frauds too. The vast vast majority of Home Office letters don't have half a dozen spelling and grammatical errors because they are proof read. Out of the thousands that are sent every year posting two to twitter and calling it the rule instead of the exceptions is just dishonest. But I can see why her fans are grasping at anything to defend her. Probably the first woman that has smiled at them even if through a computer screeen.

Lauren's letter also has COH ID: COH ID which makes zero sense and the date of service has been left blank. Notice the spelling of 'Unted' Kingdom too.

And brittany's letter has far more problems beyond english/american spelling and you know it, don't be disingenuous.

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@Dynamo Frokane I was not confused on any kind of racial prejudice. I just don't know who those girls are.

@POOHEAD189

Lauren Southern is a far right youtuber who is very very nearly a white nationalist (calls her self a racially concious western patriot). Works with generation identity; a straight up pan-european ethnostate advocating organisation. Which that martin sellner guy is the leader of (the austrian chapter).

Brittany Pettibone is just a straight up white supremacist, does the familiar song and dance about ethnostates, anti-race mixing, denying holocaust, talking about the great white replacement etc. Also is the girlfriend of Sellner and have attened memorials for SS members together.

Lovely bunch aint they?

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I really have no context to why these two white girls are controversial. The only actual experience I have of Britain's immigration policy is between 2011 and 2013, and even then I only really heard about how most Immigrants seemed to get a lot of benefits the citizen body didn't, at least in Scotland. They often had better job opportunities and received government (welfare?) checks in a much easier and more timely fashion, and back then I was pretty surprised because 'weird, its the opposite in America.'

But as for the ex-ISIS people being let back in, I can definitely see why it's a hesitation to allow that, but at the same time if they're british citizens and they'll be punished/reprimanded, it's only natural they receive the punishment in Britain.

@POOHEAD189

Optics wise, I can see how it can be a bit confusing, when you think of hate preacher, most people will envision old, brown men screaming into megaphones.

Its hard for certain people in this thread to think a young pretty white girl with a light hearted snarky voice is capable of the same thing.

Ex-ISIS overcompicates it a bit, they didnt morph into some sort of evil arab desert demons. ISIS is just another Gang/Cult full of stupid angry criminals with guns and when they are brought back to this country we treat them as such. Id be worried to give the ISIS thing too much power, U.S. jails cartel members, U.K. jails jihadis, simple as that.