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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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Sure and in my professional life I deal with all manner of people who I am obligated to treat a professional manner. That is basic ethics.

However, In my personal life or in the personal capacity of my professional life, I dont see that it is so clear cut. I get to choose who I associate with in my personal life and it seems cowardly to just pretend that we can draw up a politics and religion curtain and pretend those opinions don't exist. It is utilitarian to do so and it certainly is the option most people choose, but I don't know that it is the moral option.

@Penny

You get to make that call for yourself. Do, please, make up your own mind on it. My recommendation though is..... like..... on a purely numbers game, the average person is not better than everybody else they meet, and thus the average person should probably think twice about playing the arbiter of civilizational morality. You don't have to ignore anything. A grown person should be able to have friends they don't see eye to eye with on everything -- even big things.

WHAT I'M DRIVING AT IS -- you're talking as though tolerating a difference of opinion is morally wrong. To me this is literal insanity, or at least a very quick pathway to it. Mental Apartheid? Political segregation? Pick your label. It's icky.

The 'Explain The Appeal Of......' Thread

@mdk Heh. I've gotten it to work with nearly everything. (quality of coomputer wise.) Xbox and PS4, Those gaming controllers do work with PC's without a hitch...So I don't know if that's anything but operator error. xP Did you install the stuff/drivers required to get it to work?

As for 'PC' controllers themselves. I have a phone application that's free and can work perfectly well as a mouse and keyboard, when I want to watch videos and lay down in bed. So I dunno about that...my friend got his PC hooked up to his t.v monitor without a hang up and he's the type of guy who isn't even that tech savvy.

@SleepingSilence

I banged my head against the wall for an hour or two with a PS4 controller -- couldn't get it to bind the way I wanted, gave up, bought a PC controller. Banged my head against the wall for half an hour or so, couldn't get it to work, gave up and played with keyboard/mouse. Later, I bought a joystick, thinking "Hey, this'll be fun." It wasn't. Didn't work. And then I decided I'd had enough.

Other point of interest -- I use that phone remote app too, and that brings up another point -- if I put my PC in the living room, now I need to buy a whole nother computer for the bedroom if I wanna netflix my way to sleep every night like a heroin addict.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

Im not super familiar with this, what do you mean by the standard Hollywood stereotype?

@Penny

Constantly trying to convert other people, acting like friends and constantly trying to manipulate them into converting, and if the person doesn't go along with it, shun all contact and judge them. Doesn't sound cool, because it's not cool.

Is it?

Yes.

Look. You are not the boss of what other people think. Part of being an adult is being able to be around people you hate doing things you hate and shutting up long enough to collect a paycheck. Yeah sometimes you gotta put your foot down, but for the most part, you must learn how to exist alongside other people. The people who put their foot down all the time are immature. The people who can put up with intellectual diversity are mature, and usually turn out smarter/wiser/richer for the effort. Adulting. Hooray.

The 'Explain The Appeal Of......' Thread

But now that you can actually use your t.v as your PC monitor and play on the couch with a controller.

@SleepingSilence

Here's a list of all my experiences with PC controllers that worked:

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

What I am pondering is does this third option constitute moral cowardice?

@Penny

Not at all.

What you're describing in 1 and 2 is essentially what everybody hates about the standard hollywood kooky-christian stereotype. It's moral bullying (I mean for a great cause, just like christianity).

Option 3 isn't cowardice, option 3 is being an adult.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Andreyich Well its a bit awkward to just vomit forth an entire political ideology under any circumstances. I would certainly back slowly away without making eye contact if someone did that to me, regardless of the ideology.

But what I meant was: Is it morally cowardly to keep peoples political views separate from the rest of the way you view the person? Alot of this happened during the great facebook purge of 2016 when anyone and everyone was unfriending each other because they voted for Hillary or Trump or whatever third party candidate. If someone has political views which are abhorrent to me, or supports those who do, but I continue to associate with them because they are personally pleasant, am I compromising my principles?

@Penny

If your principles involve closing your mind (IE IF UR A LIBRAL LOL) then yeah, you're compromising them by "associating" with other people.

The cowardice angle is this: if your version of the truth can't survive confrontation by the other side, it's probably not true. And if that's causing you to cut and run from whatever social circle you used to inhabit..... well..... that's pretty cowardly, innit?

Anywho. Freely associate or don't associate with whoever you want. I can't fathom what kind of principles would preclude such a thing, but whatever they are, I don't want them.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

anyway

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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Well as a species we are all identical as humans, so yeah he's made a factually correct statement there, not sure what you are trying to mock. Diversity only matters in the sense that peoples shouldn't be excluded for bullshit racial lines or whatever else. But I know you agree with this already.

@Dynamo Frokane

Not exactly -- I mean true, totally, but that's not what I'm driving at and that's not what "diversity" is for (just an extremely positive side-effect). Diversity matters because we are different, like, by definition, that's what it's about. Differences are strengths. Differences are awesome and important and we should be REALLY HAPPY they exist, and celebrate them for as long as they last (because ultimately yes, we are all human beings and the 'social construct' I guess which drives a lot of our differences isn't a permanent thing). Case in point, I'm an amputee which makes me one of the smallest minorities in the world. I'm absolutely different from other people at work, in real/permanent/tangible ways, and this is a major benefit both to me and to the company.

Uniformity is the enemy. We should be proud of our differences, whether they're intellectual, political, professional, physical, or yes, even racial. That's kind of a loaded thing to throw out there because history is a bitch (and if you take it the wrong way I sound like the wypepo from Get Out), but it's also the truth. Differences and complexity make us all stronger. Celebrate our differences.

To clarify, because I feel like I have to -- I don't buy any of that bullshit about racial intelligence traits or whatever. What I'm getting at is there are 300 million unique people in the US, and if 30 million have a shared experience which gives them a special perspective, the other 270 million benefit a WHOLE HELL OF A LOT by learning from it. It so happens that in America today, a person's race (among dozens of other things) can drive that. I can take or leave the social factors causing that difference of experience (we're all shaping the world for better and for worse), but the difference itself is something I treasure.

The 'Explain The Appeal Of......' Thread

but my couch is like the most important part.

I did plenty of PC gaming, with a pretty solid system. I did the research, basically, short version... console is where I landed. You can get plenty of great games on the cheap there, too -- okay yeah if you preorder the deluxe edition you're paying a premium, but don't though. Titanfall 2 is a steal at $22 right now, though it's been cheaper (and it's also a free week, so you can just play it) -- just one example. I did NOOOOOOOT pay $6k for my library of games, let's put it that way. Network subscription is a service and I ABSOLUTELY feel like I'm getting my money's worth out of it -- just to play with my brothers on PC, we'd have to run third-party chat in the background and ha-ha-ha if you wanted to rope anyone else into the chat ("We're on Discord." "Well we're on Mumble." "Plebs, get this other thing." "But we were using Gmail....." "Hey it's not working, is that your internet or the game server or the chat client? Fuck it, I'll just call you." "Woolooolooooooooo." "God damn it.") And then the game STILL didn't work like 10% of the time. AAA titles like Battlefield, early-access titles like fuck I can't remember but some capital-ship MOBA type thing.... it's a pain in the crotch.

With PC, the shit I pay for is shit I have to manage. With console, the shit I pay for includes somebody else whose only job is to make sure it works perfectly forever. I like that.

What's Your Character's Theme Song?

I resent him for this one

If you can't take hip-hop, just stick around long enough for the second verse and tell me that's not an anime intro waiting to happen. Well that's my pirate-ish conman's theme song and I didn't get a vote in the matter. There's lots of other songs on the album I'd rather use -- but I didn't get a vote. That's his music, that's his attitude, that's the tone of the story. And to make matters worse every time I think of the song I get sucked back into the story.

this one I get, at least

She's a mean gunslinger, a badass and a total downer. She's basically dead weather. Again, lotsa other songs on the album I could just as easily use -- but that's definitely the one.

and I steal this one a little

For my slow-build-up TECHNO-gunslinger chick, because I'm not all that clever and two of my biggest characters are basically the same character with cosmetic differences and slightly-different thematic backdrops.