SleepingSilence

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

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Feeling dogpiled is not my concern, and is yours alone. If you really have such a problem with multiple people not agreeing with you, you can always move to another thread. Or, I guess, you can continue to bitch about it in the bitching thread

You don't need a 1000 word sample. 300 words is typically a decent offering from me anyways and is quite enough of a sample to introduce the concept of a character, combined with a character sheet that is also not a wall of text. Neither section has to be particularly long, simply having both is more thorough. There is no 100% foolproof way to screen a player, but there are ways to reduce the chances of getting someone who won't give a damn after 5 posts.

I think a moderate size of both is optimal, CS to describe a character physically and note the experiences they draw upon, and a sample to give people a taste of the character itself.

@ArenaSnow

I guess saying, you're apathetic to doing it, is better than outright denying that's what's going on? Call that progress. I think the irony of people bitching at me, I'm bitching at them is not lost. Again, this started from personal opinions that we're mistaken as broad personal statements.

-Like to point out briefly- To please provide examples of this not being the case, and I'll shut up. Someone getting 4-6 people all disagreeing with them at the same time, all liking their stuff to 'validate' their own shared opinions. While actually aggressively and admitting to ignoring the other sides points while also trying to argue with them. To ANY other person on this forum. I'll wait. You won't find it. At best you might get a two on one. If you search hard enough. <.<

Again, you like everyone else I replied to answered my personal experience and countered with your own. 1000 is what I'm used to seeing. 300 I guess is somehow going to show that someone can post in advance forums, where 300 words is barely anything at all and probably doesn't remotely reflect the actual word count of a real post of the RP they'll be in. The closer the sample actually fits standards of what you're expecting, I'd have to assume that's better in general. Yes?

But again, I dropped this because I'm not going to spend anymore time on trying to explain why an opinion can't be wrong and how I reached that opinion makes perfect sense. And all being snarky assholes about such a pointless discussion makes everyone involved the very words I was criticized for using.

The Hole: 1940s Magic Noir (High Casual-Low Advanced)

Alyssa K.(Kacey) Moyer

The windows permeated the sun's light across Alyssa's perplexed stare up to the ceiling, quickly leaning forward from her chair. Letting out an exasperated breath in between her sucking on the left paw, which she had recently placed inside her mouth. She was playfully counting in her head the amount of times the current caller was repeating himself, the stuttering only made her lose count halfway through the continued blathering. She grabbed her freshly poured coffee mug emanating an aesthetically pleasing steam, while removing the left paw to grab the steak knife from her work table to spread some more cream cheese on her half eaten bagel. She closed her eyes for a moment to say a silent prayer before nearly taking a sip, before realizing it was probably still too hot then setting it back down.

“So? T-tell me why does it take w-writers writers, years to write a single book? When I can write that much in a couple, a couple of h-hours?” The caller finally paused, she quickly assumed it was to catch their breathe. She brightly smiled almost on instinct and moved her microphone closer to her mouth.

“That's a good question! Now, I'm not a writer myself...but I've said on this show several times before my boyfriend is a published author. So maybe I'm not qualified to answer, but I feel like writer's are often gravely misunderstood-” She answered with a pleasant tone before abruptly getting cut off.

“So, so, so, you're saying that everyone, everywhere who isn't a writer should just purposefully not question a writers methods!? Doesn't that seem like a horrible thing to say, it's like your calling everyone of our viewers stupid for not getting it!” He sneered. She simply finished another bite of her bagel before allowing him to again finish his statement without interruption.

“No, I would never chastise my listeners in such a way. It just feels off when someone assumes a writer is being lackadaisical, simply because they seem to take a while to write. I just know how it feels to always be insecure at everything you do and say...Something in the back of your mind will just question if everything was wrong...that inner divisiveness completely devours confidence and progress-” She explained her ears twitching from hearing soft creaking from her doorway, turning her attention behind her, seeing nothing there. She shrugged it off, feeling a tingling in the back of her neck that rubbing wasn't stopping her heart beat from racing just a little faster.

“...Oh, please I never question if I'm wrong about anything!” The caller retorted that Alyssa only half heard, focusing on the subtle sounds coming from outside her room, before immediately standing up and turning herself completely invisible.

“I'm sorry caller, but we're going to a commercial break, thank you for your time!” She said in a rushed breath before switching herself off and turning around to facing a stranger pulling a Thompson submachine gun concealed in their trench coat, blocking the doorway with his stocky physique. Within a single moment the sun beaming from the window had been entirely focused and amplified directly in the stranger's line of vision. The man was completely bewildered attempt to shield his eyes in vain as his vision was like staring at pitch whiteness, while it also felt like his very eyes were engulfed in flames. She had grabbed the coffee and steak knife both tightly in her paws and lunged forward, smashing the scalding hot coffee mug across the assassin's face, crashing to the ground immediately followed by slashing the knife straight through his neck, as blood starts spurting out splattering across her shirt.

He dropped the gun to the ground and immediately wildly swung his fists, clocking her in the jaw and shoving her backwards, knocking her back to the ground removing her invisibility. She quickly held up her hands forming a ball of light energy and fired it off as the beam of light completely evaporated the fingers attempt to grab her throat. She quickly got back on her feet, retrieving the knife she dropped once she fell. Her exhausting quick breaths while tears streaming down her face, while she begin furiously slashing at him with the knife being the sole focus of her attacks, allowing the man to see Alyssa's face before collapsing to the ground covered in dozens of deep wounds, with a pool of blood forming on her floor. She covered her mouth with her paws and backed herself into a corner, slumping down to the ground, sharply inhaling as she watched the man dying in her presence. She immediately rushed over to the man attempting to use her magic to heal his wounds, but their wasn't a pulse.

“Why...why did this have to happen to me again...why did you-” She choked out before feeling something in his pockets, that she pulled out discovering it to be his wallet. She opened his almost empty wallet containing nothing but a single photograph, it looked like a picture of a young woman smiling brightly with two small infants wrapped in separate blue and pink blankets that she held in each arm. Teardrops fell on the picture, before she clenched her fists and slammed them into the ground.

“Stupid! Stupid! You're so stupid!” She cried out. “Why would you risk your life and leave your wife and family behind! Did you even think of your daughter!? Did you think she wouldn't miss you when you were gone, because you had to do something so reckless! You'll never get to tuck her in at night, kiss her forehead while saying that you love her and are proud of her. She'll never get comforted by you when she's upset, she can't get support for her future career. She can't ever feel you holding her in your arms ever again! You completely robbed that of her! Why would a father leave her daughter behind!” She clamored to point of losing her voice, while bawling like a baby, having barely energy to get onto her knees. Folding her shaking hands to say another silent prayer.

What Are You Listening To?

I feel no shame in posting twice.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

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*record needle scratch*

Wait what? Since when did me or anyone else say that? I said I wasn't going to reply, but this is an issue I can't let slide.

What I said is that people find your reasoning flawed. Of course an opinion can't be wrong, but the reasons for said opinion could very well be more based on emotion rather than fact and people are free to point that out. Change comes from discourse, and if a lot of people have discourse with you, you're either about to bring a big change or should reflect back on your theory.

@Ammokkx

My reasoning isn't flawed on how I reached my opinion, in fact it makes perfect sense...you could almost say, it's how I reached my conclusion that I will likely think your pretentious if you tell me my writing is too flawed when you won't be perfect either. All this shit about "i never said, or bob never said this, or how all people aren't like this" Has nothing to do with my original statement. So everyone that made it be about everyone, or themselves missed the point entirely. :I

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Actually I'll shut up now. Prolly just adding fuel to the fire.

@Ammokkx

It doesn't help that I'm not being personal and my opponent is. (well wasn't previously.) It's not a flawed opinion...it's just an opinion. It's flawed because either you didn't read it right. (like most people that did reply.) Or because you haven't shared the same experiences that I had to draw me to that conclusion. Which is perfectly reasonable. My opinion wasn't people that make sample posts are Satan. But from my experiences, they often seem pointless in the grand scheme of things. And the people I've dealt with, forcing them upon others come of as pretentious, to me and just me.

Also I'm fine with what you said, my comment was meant to be playful. We didn't start the fire, it's been burning since the world's been turning.

I guess, I'm just not allowed to share a negative sentiment on here. <.< I won't make the same mistake again.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Stop playing the victim.

@Inkarnate

Okay, I'm not bothering to reply to you anymore with this statement, because this is like talking to a brick wall. I'm not calling you anything. Stop doing the same to me for fuck sake.

You played victim in the very first reply. Give me a break.

Edit: Also admitting to outright ignoring things I asked, oh yeah, that seems reasonable and not one-sided. Always worthwhile when you debate someone and they outright don't try to counter any points and just say. "I already know my opinion is fact." It's mature and not ironically incredibly pretentious at all. <.<

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Ammokkx
If you can joke, I can exaggerate. Come on people, throw me a little bit of a bone. :P

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Ammokkx
I'm not your buddy, friend. *sarcasm*

But seriously, I'm just slightly tired of having so many people argue with me, trying to win the war of "whose opinions is correct." While taking everything as personally as possible. <.<

Can we just get back to bitching about things, without having to worry about 10 people jumping down that person's throat? There wasn't anyone crying when people shared their opinions that free RP's weren't their style...So why is there so much drama over what I said, while also sort of ironically taking offense to a statement that "hey, maybe some fucking people take themselves, a little too seriously."

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

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I was gonna stay out of this since it feels a bit like arguing with a brick wall here but I feel like I have a couple of things to say on this section specifically. (I honestly struggled to understand what you were saying for some of it, but this is what I did understand and take from it)

Where, anywhere was it mentioned by any of us who were talking about samples that said sample posts had to be novel-perfect writing? Nowhere.
Sure, good grammar is great and it helps people to understand you better but not everybody is perfect. People write posts while they're tired, they miss mistakes and post them and don't realise it till the day after. People write posts on their phones and miss autocorrect fails that they didn't see the first time (and believe me, I have had it happen to me from both sides, where autocorrect has made such a glorious fuck up that I've had to ask a partner what the heck it was supposed to mean (and had partners ask me the same) because it was just that bad that it couldn't be figured out alone XD

(Using "you" as in the general/"royal" you here, BTW. So if you're going to choose to get offended by it then that's on you.)
Sample posts give an example of your writing as is, as you would write IC, rather than your ability to just regurgitate text into a flowery/purple prosey 3-page long CS that really isn't always necessary for the actual plot of the RP. I, personally, as a partner, player and a GM (although I tend to stick to 1x1 mostly nowadays since I don't have the time to manage a group) much prefer either a short CS that covers the basics to give people a feel for the character, or literally to give just the most basic information on a character like their name, age, gender and a brief appearance/personality traits and then let the rest be revealed ad lib in the IC, and maybe create more detailed sheets later should it feel necessary for information management I don't care how fancy a CS is. I care about how your writing style "feels" to read and how well you portray the character you set out to play.
I don't care about grammar mistakes (within reason. If I can't understand a single word typed then yes there will be an issue there), a few mistakes or minor issues with grammar are not grounds for me to not to accept somebody for a role play request, what I am interested in is whether they can portray a character that is interesting, fun, and believable for the setting of the RP.

As for "if you can't figure out if they can write if they present you with ten paragraphs of backstory", they could be ten paragraphs of complete garbage that doesn't actually make sense. As said before by many people, quantity=/=quality. I would much rather have a short thousand words post that really shows the person can portray the character in the roleplay's timeline than ten paragraphs of purple prose and repeated points.

EDIT: case in point, I just had to correct a few autocorrect fails in this very post..does that make me a bad RPer or a bad writer? Absolutely not. Nobody was implying that, ever.

@The Elvenqueen

I wasn't arguing, I made an opinion that someone took personally, wrongfully asserted was an attack instead of how I view it. And now 8 people are telling me how my opinion is wrong and their's is right. With seemingly no self awareness to be seen. It shouldn't feel like a brick wall, when there's no reason to debate in the first place. It's simply two different viewpoints on how they've experienced sample posting in their roleplaying.

I wasn't arguing that anyone or you were making that statement, I argued I've dealt with people that have done just that. <.<

And what's the point of a test, if there is no failing that test? How many mistakes will it take before you'd not accept someone's writing? If it's so lax that a 3rd grader could probably pass fine, then why even waste your time and the players? My concern is people only will try on that test, and nowhere else. Making it pointless, in my eye. You clearly didn't understand it, because it's putting more blind assumptions on the table.

This (clearly quickly thrown out) entire statement is reaching to a conclusion, I wasn't making. It's a touch ironic you have to copy my offense comment, when everyone else seems to be reacting emotionally. I'm just baffled at the point...

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

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That entire post was only about 500 words, so doubling that up isn't exactly what I would call 'short' =P

@Ammokkx

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Everyone isn't making the same few points, I can spot at least one unique argument in all of their posts.

@Ammokkx

I feel like this is only proving my point a bit with feeling like I'm getting dog-piled. :I

I'm not trying to make this a us vs them thing. But it's surely coming off as that's what my opposition is doing.
Not that this should be an argument in the first place. It's just an opinion for god sake.