SleepingSilence

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@Dynamo Frokane Sure. I'll send you a few things. And I'll edit them in this post.

*google makes it really hard for me sometimes*

His is awful, because he is a liar. And he also is lost a shitload of subscribers. And that doesn't happen for no reason...It's hard to show lying about others, without the other side and a lot of context. But I'm doing just minimal work, to show he's had many spats with dishonesty.

TD:DW: He made a video accusing another youtuber that he directly joked about a tragedy, when he didn't and someone else in their stream did. This is him doubling down and receiving a response on it.

His vid


The rebuttal.


The actual short point. That makes it all clear.



Another lie about another youtuber (calls her dumb and shit): (Notice the like/dislike ratio and comment sections.)

His vid.


A rebuttal.


So can you tell, why I won't listen to his opinions on a youtuber, when he's lied about at least two of them.

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@Lady Amalthea

To be fair, it was long past that point.

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@Dynamo Frokane
>just realized I've already gotten into this debate with you and it's going in the exact same direction...

Because like someone or not. I'm not a hypocrite, nor do I accept double standards. I will defend someone, even if I disagree with them. If I think they're being sincere or if they're saying something correct.

My question, do you have videos on his own channel, that he has 180'd on. Maybe even real tweets or blog posts or something. (Just harder to fake videos.) In a way that isn't him actually changing opinions, but to pander politically. And if he has, than I'm saying it's wrong.

Thunderfoot is an awful person. And I haven't seen those videos, but I've seen him lie about enough things to not take his stuff seriously. :P

"He encourages people to leave their families if they arent Ancaps."

"He has violent urges towards his mother and has stated the only reason he hasn't killed her is because they are related."

Those sound like facetious statements/jokes to me. Very few people who aren't teennagers will wish death to parents for different political leanings...

And even if it wasn't sarcasm.

Hypocrite, is not the word I'd use for those examples...

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It does appear we forgot a ) in the example. Oh well. some things do occasionally sneak past spellcheckers and grammar control. A result of writing while megatasking, we suppose.

also @SleepingSilence... That example doesn't actually make much of any choices for the other player... all it says is that the player must be willing to play such, not that she would need to actually play that. In fact, the bit "Not that the RP will concern such" specifically implies playing such is not going to be the plot.

But that's a bit of a digression.

@Ellri

We suppose? Was this a group effort? Megatasking, might not be a word, but maybe it can become one...because that feels like the day I'm having.

So it was written by you then? Was it as a joke? Or serious example? Regardless, it is making a choice.

I actually also completely missed the intelligent requirement...which makes my correct spelling thing even more valid to bring up...so I don't even know why it was questioned in the first place, now that I re-read the entire statement.

I may have misread that as the person needs to play a character that does those things, vs. the person themselves. Which is even more absurd actually and even though I don't care if people are picky about their roleplaying choices for such surface level things...but something like that doesn't make a good case for it.

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Spelling errors are one thing if obvious, I try to catch them all and yes. On a long post ages will slip by and the odd their or there might be out.

I still try to achieve a basic standard, and stick to it though. Sure the grammar and wording may not be perfect but long as I have done what I can, I'm not worried about every last correct comma.

@PrinceAlexus

Agreed 100%. And I'll say even just skimming through your writing, or posting it on a spellcheck website. Is already putting more effort than a lot of people do. And it's appreciated by me, and hopefully by anyone you roleplay with.

Nobody is perfect and shouldn't expect it. A writer will always work on improving their writing. But feedback from others is essential for that.

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@Dynamo Frokane
He might very well be wrong on things. I'd rather have someone honestly wrong, than not honestly right. Truth and disclosure are two of the most important things about politics.

Didn't mean it as a strawman. Didn't say you made that argument, (actually now that I'm re-reading it I never used the crime either.) I even acknowledged that I was speaking in a broader/different sense on hypocrite/gets money from politics, as a character flaw.

Could you give him examples of him 180'ing? I'd believe you if you had them. And you say it was disingenuous 180'ing. Like liking something your party does and not liking it when it isn't. Which I grant, almost everyone/on every side does this nowadays...

But like you -can- completely change opinions with time. Like if you have videos or something. Hopefully ones like on his own channel. I've realized some people are dishonest on youtube and use things, out of context, a lot...

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@Dynamo Frokane I guess not on it's own, no. But I'll refrain from getting into discussions of double standards of everyone else. Just lamenting it was there. Because I'm being about as light hearted as possible in this conversation.

Probably. But I mean...most politics or media is in it for 'the dolla dolla bills'. So it's not really a huge crime, if graded on a curve.
Though I know people would argue hypocrites themselves aren't a problem and in some cases are the best people to talk about things. Like smokers telling their kids not to smoke. Hypocrite? Yes. Wrong? Wouldn't say so. (I know, not quite the same. But just the general idea of calling one a hypocrite. Or someone who would like money to feed themselves and speaking eloquently about politics is how you do it. Isn't itself, a problem. )

Meme would have been better that way.

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If you're not sure then how can you be certain? :P

@Dynamo Frokane

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:I Point granted, good sir.

I already previously once gave my thoughts and my changed thoughts on, Stefan Molyneux. But I'm not as sure anymore, because the same person that called him out. Called out another person (who I watch enough, to know them better.) Go on a live stream with them and babble like an idiot and not back up anything he said when not on his own...

But I've barely watched Joe Rogan. He's done a couple of assholish things in his personal life I'm aware of. But like random comments about looking good until fat or others that don't even fit pseudo-intellectualism. I know I'm judging a meme and it ignores the point. But what else can I do? Aside from post, random things myself...(and I live in Ohio, so if anyone is allowed to hate John Kasich, it's me.)

I'd prefer if people just stop telling me I can't do if they're doing it and pretend they have any high standard, if they don't. Live and let post, to be precise.

Also the virgin meme, is probably far more accurate. Though unless it's from a jock's perspective, I don't know how necessary it is, for the weights showing up twice, right next to each other.

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@Dynamo Frokane I'm not sure what I got it for anymore...certainly not for posting non-discussion/non-politics.

Including those four things you mention...that I replied to. :P

Anarcho-Capitalism, isn't what the meme is though, compared with the rest of it. They probably also wouldn't like Joe Rogan, but he's on there. It's just a jumbled mess of things that only shows someone is a progressive who likely is already on the opposite spectrum side of "thinks they're intellectuals".

(Also I feel like the other drama thread that exists is bad enough, maybe discussing twitter, rick and morty and Frozen might actually be required.)

But since I'm fully aware, that this is a meme dumping ground.

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