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Male, 33 years old. (I'm even more dead than before.)

Likes (other than writing and roleplaying): I'm into all genres of music. I love to cook. I love the outdoors, and walking through the park near my house. (Yes, really.) I read a lot of thriller/mystery novels. And I usually watch seasonal anime. (Or cooking shows. Because Western Media provides even fewer things that are worth watching.)

But as for my many other neglected hobbies, I've played basically every sport. (Soccer and Bowling being my favorite of the bunch.) And I'm trying to play more video games. (Going through my never-ending Steam library.) Plus, I've dabbled in making electronic & metal music, and I used to play a number of instruments. (Guitar, French Horn, etc.)

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I shouldn't have to even explain this but the point I was making was entirely theoretical and based on general principles of constitutions. Hence I said constitutions because the US of A does not have multiple constitutions. In Europe constitutions are changed very frequently. The issue I have furthermore with what you wrote is that the constitution for the US of A was meant to be changed according to the actual person that, yknow, wrote it, but people later on decided they were lazy and constitutions should remain the same.

I disagree with you calling what we said nihilism too. It's not nihilism - it's the rejection of natural forces that put forward such 'laws' and 'rights' that humans have to abide by. There is no natural right to freedom of speech and there is no natural body of nature that enforces it. The right to free speech was given to us by someone that decided he liked the idea of it, but it can just as easily be taken away or 'trampled' as MDK put it nicely. There is nothing preventing it. You can say 'it's my right' and I'll turn around and say 'yes, yes it is, but I'm taking it anyway' and unless you have weaponry, economical power or diplomatical sway (hint, you have nothing, because you are my citizen and I can take all that away too) you stand powerless to change that. That's not nihilism - that's common sense. So either you are using the word nihilism wrong, or you are entirely confused about what I was saying. Perhaps both.

Furthermore I am not sure why you think that religion = I have a natural right to things. This is not true at all. I am religious in a broad sense and our religion teaches us we need to work for everything because not even the gods will give us what we want without something in return. Ergo there are no natural rights except the right of the strongest, which is a dynamic variable that changes all the time. If I want something, I take it - whether that is physical goods, ideology, or a right. It's not a natural power giving me those things, it is me taking those things. That's not nnihilistic


That could not be more incorrect. They didn't want things to change willy nilly. That's why they made it so difficult to do so, in the first place. If anyone actually thinks that any of the original amendments that we have now that the founders wanted to give the ability to remove them, let alone easily, they fundamentally misunderstand the Constitution and the founding fathers. (But I already said that.) Since we are a constitutional republic our Constitutional Amendments have to mean something. The laws can't consistently change like they would in a democracy when it's the will of the people majority to change the law however they wish to see fit. Hence why the founding fathers found that so evil. Also these theoretical constitutions of Europe don't exist. Places like the UK Poland and much of elsewhere doesn't have a codified constitution. If they have anything at all. Constitutions are not equivalent to laws. Just so we're clear, because that seems to be what you're speaking about.

My point is you're seemingly using this phrase to disregard the rights that others already have put in place. Because saying people don't have rights nowadays just doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially in America. Which is why you're theoretically suggesting that constitutions were just supposed to be amended without thought and the Second Amendment could be removed tomorrow if we were doing what we were supposed to be doing. And I'm taking that context into consideration. You're right that laws were created by man but if your religious you have God given rights. So atheists wouldn't try to self preserve if they were living somewhere without any laws that said on a piece of paper that you were allowed to keep yourself alive then I suppose that's on them. I know that some people confuse what should be a right and what shouldn't be. But I didn't think that was the discussion we were having.

Actually most religions do not revolve around the idea of doing good deeds and working to get to Salvation. Christianity, for example, the only thing that you need to do is accept Jesus Christ in your heart. That's not a whole lot of work. (Since we're discussing religion.) The idea that you need to not do something and for it to magically occur is somehow the definition of right, is not what a right is.
Plenty to spin off on here -- most I could summarize by saying "We're a Christian-majority democracy, it's only natural." The laws about who can run for office should definitely go.... but this quote brings up this week's classic mdk rrant


Not too ball bust for something innocuous to the following paragraphs. But I will point out really quick that we are a constitutional republic. Not a democracy, the founding fathers were adamant about how absolutely evil a pure democracy is. (You probably knew that but clarifying for those who may not.)

This sounds a lot like the argument that `you can't do x or y because it's against the constitution` but constitutions are changed, literally all the time, and most often without the people noticing. These amendments are the same and so are rights - they can be taken away from you much easier than they are given to you.

As far as I am concerned you don't have a right to anything, and that goes for literally anyone on this planet.


Also something I feel like clarifying and adding to that particular paragraph. The assumption that the constitution constantly changes and under the noses of the people. When the fact is that changing or adding an amendment to the Constitution is the hardest thing you can do, and was purposely designed that way by the creators. And the last time it actually had anything change about it was in 1992. (I'm also pretty sure that there hasn't ever been a scenario where an amendment has been outright removed.) if you're really want to get into the more recent Amendments that were added later, you could get into that Constitutional argument.

I feel like that nihilistic idea doesn't really even make that much sense, especially if you're religious. Saying you don't have a right to anything, like self-preservation goes against the concept of humanity itself.
I agree with this. 'Morals' are a human invention, and every society has a different set of morals. You can't call an act of another country or it's citizens 'wrong' just because it breaks the moral code of the United States. In the UK, most people aren't allowed to bear arms at all, period. If an armed gunman broke into their house, they couldn't shoot back. A man from the US might see this as wrong. Conversely a man from the UK sees an average American family owning a gun that the children could possibly get access to as wrong.


When bringing up Christianity into the U.S government and into the idea of everyone already has morals and doesn't need religion for it. Going into the basics of don't kill your fellow man, don't steal Etc. Ignores that there's a lot of carnal instincts that Christianity philosophy goes against. Being merciful isn't a normal behavior for someone to just have. Loving your enemy. Etc. There's someone that does a much better job at going into this and until I can actually post videos I'll leave it at that.

I will say you can most certainly dictate better morality from other countries in comparison to others. I don't care where you are, throwing someone off a rooftop because they're gay isn't correct and should be scrutinized. Until it is scrubbed from the Earth. You can certainly judge other countries with completely screwed up moralities, criticizing it's the only way you can fix a problem. The reason our country has freedoms like the First and Second Amendment and others don't, is because they never intended to have freedom like that...because the United States was started and built differently from all those other countries. And yes they did it through a Christian lense.
I feel like you don't need to be a Christian, or even bring it up. You just need intellectual honestly to understand that an abortion is terminating a life. Especially so, after 5 weeks when it has its own seperate heartbeat. And that avoiding that whenever possible would be beneficial and more moral to do basically anything else. Contraceptives exist and are dirt cheap to free depending where you go. The cases for rape are incredibly minut compared to the abortions actively happening. Almost always done for financial reasons, like getting in the way of their college degree. When people bring up the health of the mother it's often referring to psychological stress of taking care of a child. (which literally most mothers have.) Opposed to like dying on the operating table, which what they want you to think.

The problem isn't with the gray area. Often when debating pro-life vs pro-choice the opposition isn't being honest, they devalue the life and don't want any Middle Ground. And they want no limits on abortion. I like to try to give some gray area slack to this issue. But often the people who are discussing it are morally repugnant or in complete denial when discussing the issue.



That doesn't even get into that it shouldn't be taxpayer-funded argument or bringing up the history of why Planned Parenthood exists. Which was founded by someone who wanted to commit genocide against the race of people. To the fact that right now there are buildings carefully placed for insidious reasons, where they expect to get the most custom. Like tobacco companies putting places to sell cigarettes near school buildings. Smoke, no I don't hate you or even have a problem with you but you have to acknowledge that's gross.

There's also an interview on the same person's channel performing an interview with someone who used to work there who was specifically instructed to sell abortion. So I'm sure this comes off abrasively, I'm sorry but these conversations rarely go well. The more extreme I see the pro-side getting in it's arguments, the farther I go to the other side with this issue.
(Will make pretty at later date.)

Name: Lydrim Viertan
Race: Antarrayin mardik
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Height: 6’1 (Foot/Inches)
Weight: 187 Pounds
Continent: Tellus
Occupation: Chef

Personality:
    [Positive]
  • Calm: His ability to maintain his composure is quite above many others limits of tolerance, even when angry or agitated his words and his movements come out calmly and methodically. His voice when happy, sad and furious is practically indistinguishable Leading to being unpredictable, his actual actions can seem to come from nowhere given how calm he always appears to be.
  • Loyal: He never goes back on his word. Rarely making promises, but always keeping them regardless of the strength of the relationship and how impractical it is to keep it. He has a close circle he would kill and die for, even taking his bond with animals to an extreme level, considering them part of his own family. He has respect for those in his community and takes pride in keeping them fed.
  • Hardworking: He’s often a workaholic, seldom giving downtime for himself. He’s always cooking and working on new recipes, gathering, hunting and anything required to keep busy. Sometimes even helping others with their work, solely for his own personal satisfaction of not feeling like a layabout.
  • Neat: Keeping everything neat, his personal appearance is well kept as it could be given his environment and often being too busy. His clothing, his cooking equipment and hunting tools all meticulously organized and sorted out.
  • Tolerant: Different races, creeds, cultures never bothered him. Though he was never particularly interested in others cultures or problems. Just figuring he had enough problems of his own to deal with. He doesn’t care about loud or smelly animals, or whiny children. He ignores most of them equally, with an apathetic attitude.
  • Humorous: Always appreciates a good joke or bad joke told right, often takes pleasure when people slip and fall. He has a good sense of humor about himself, he will occasionally laugh at something that probably wasn’t that funny to anyone else. He can’t resist cracking a joke to lighten any gloomy mod or particularly sad looking individual.
  • Adventurous: He is often asked to do rather impossible and dangerous tasks that he’s always more than happy to do, when there’s a good reward and the thrill of entertainment is just luxury. He rarely backs down from things that he’s confidently able to perform.

[Neutral]
  • Chummy: Most would probably disagree or give leery stares, if you told them this was a friendly soul and they’d be correct. But to those he’s close to, he doesn’t bother keeping anything to himself and can enjoy a casual conversation. Often leading him to talk to all the animals around to keep him company.
  • Irreligious: He doesn’t believe in gods of any kind to the point where providing evidence would do you no good. He’s quite bitter when others even bring faith or spirituality in conversations. He’d likely use books or parchment with religious text as kindling for fire, from how much he regards their worth. His reasoning for this is quite vague and ill defined.
  • Stubborn: He is never wrong, even when he makes a mistake. Someone else is likely to blame. Not because he’s stupid, but because he just will never admit that he’s ideals and methods of doing things aren’t always correct or justified. He’ll never lose sleep over self-doubt.

[Negative]
  • Cruel: Free tip, never piss this guy off. He can be relentlessly sadistic and hateful when he is angered. He doesn’t have problems murdering, burning and torturing others for benefit to himself. But only becomes that way through emotional affliction, he doesn’t enjoy being cruel toward others and his monstrous side is well known and often warned about beforehand. So you only have yourself to blame if you find yourself six feet under.
  • Dishonest: His friends don’t have to worry about him pulling a fast one. But everyone else, more than likely, you’ll be hearing endless lies coming from his mouth. He often lies even when there is practically no benefit for him to do so. He’ll likely tell you his name is several different things in one day, because he’s also not efficient at lying either, despite his experience.
  • Faithless: Evil assumes evil, he doesn’t trust a single word that comes out of another’s mouth. Quite skeptical of even the most benign things, making his relationships with others quite complicated. Only giving animals and his closest friend the benefit of doubt, usually.
  • Opportunistic: He doesn’t have money on the brain and won’t accept anything asked of him for a price. But give this man an opportunity to make some money and you’ll likely have him hear you out, if nothing else. Not exclusively wealth specific, he’ll take any advantage he can in almost any situation.

History: Living in Tellus, his beginnings weren’t favorable odds, his father and mother were young lovers burdened with afflicted pasts, abusive families and back breaking labor. Poverty stricken along with the misfortune of their few friends being wrongfully convicted for crimes, punished with lifetime imprisonment or death which was considered the favored circumstance. Making love in the month of the earth, under the giant blossoming tree they met, their miracle of having their first child together begot with tragedy. The mother gave birth to a children with the umbilical cord wrapped twice around the baby's neck, the baby survived. The mother passed away soon after. Leaving the father had to care for the son alone.

His early childhood was a struggle, the father had worked his hardest while getting a couple lucky breaks along the way, finding a small group that he could call friends. Allowing his baby boy to grow up properly, his father was quite protective of Lydrim, recognizing his uniqueness. A rumor had spread fast, about the strange phenomenon of animals consistently approaching and imprinting with him, the father had creatures of various sizes and beasts circling and following him, never bringing his son harm or himself, unless he wasn’t in near approximation of his son. Which always kept them well fed, even subsequently allowing other hunters to spend less time hunting, his father started sharing his wife’s cooking skills and hunting techniques which greatly benefitted the people of the trees. Making the father respected by those who knew him and the young boy praised for being the communities restoration.

From a young age he was always interested when his father was cooking and watching his buddies sparring with each other during times of relaxation. He grew up healthy and without many problems in his impoverished life for six years. Anytime he’d feel down, one of his father’s friends or his father’s joke would get him to smile and giggle. But that was all blurred, his first actual memories weren’t pleasant. When he turned seven, his father got terribly sick and bedridden. He was alive, but unable to do anything for his son. His friends became surrogate parents and provided as much care, training and comfort they could for Lydrim. But he didn’t make friends easily, the other children found him bizarre and awkward. The fact that he constantly talked to animals, nobody could understand or believe that he could despite his insistence. Having many in his hands or following him, that they’d end up leaving a mess. He needed more baths than the average kid. The adult were kinder, but even they found his behavior at times questionable.

Finally learning about his mother dying because of his birth that year. Begged by his son to share stories about his mother. Feeling the harsh truth should be taught before his passing, he complied making Lydrim miserable every night, often sleeping after exhaustively sobbing beside his father, despite his efforts to console. An entire year passed before Lydrim couldn’t be comforted by his father anymore. His funeral was during snowfall, held by a small group, his six closest friends gently lowering him down, filling the hole. On the very same day one of his father’s closest friends died in an accident during a rockslide. Lydrim was taken in by another friend, where he’d spend his days until his early adulthood.

He spent most of his days running off, where nobody could find him. In isolated areas of forests, climbing high trees, keeping himself from loneliness, communicating and spending time with all the animals. When he could be found with others of his own kind. He was training and cooking, slowly becoming as good, possibly better than his father at a much younger age. His best memories revolve around meeting and befriended a young wolf in his early adolescent and his eventual love. They protected each other during their many misadventures. His hatred grew for the nobles and the people of the trees, learning how they lived and how they treated everyone. During one of the earlier months, what tended to be very boring traveling for supplies, lead to altercations with the nobles that got his surrogate father badly injured. Both he and Lydrim were nearly killed, but his companion sank their fangs into the nobles throats, and ripped them to pieces. The female wolf getting hurt in the process.

But everyone’s physical scars had healed, the mental stress and the pressure from many in the community to give up the wolves, The People Of The Trees administered dire consequences, affecting everyone who associated with Lydrim. Even those closest fearfully started to abandon them through exclusion. Managing on their own, the surrogate father started getting into a darker crowd under duress and eventually became a hired assassin. Lydrim was taught to be strong and take any opportunities he had, even violent and cruel ones. Because that’s just how life worked. He worked rigorously and got his hands dirty often, having a few interchanging companions, but nothing lasted long, while eventually growing into adulthood and living on his own. His surrogate father becoming one of the most wanted criminal, changed in many ways, except that he still truly loved Lydrim like a son. But distance was the only thing that could grant him safety.

Living the best life possible, somewhere unfamiliar and unknown, becoming a chef and doing an abundance of risky jobs given to him. During a month of earth only a few before his birthday, several years ago. The wolves finally decided by have babies of their own, the mother wanted children to raise before dying. The mother wolf only gave birth to a single pup, before dying from a complication of the birth. The only real friend he had left and his health started spiraling down, proving nothing good last forever. Nowadays, things have gotten pretty quiet and mundane. Raising his best friend’s child, just his several fathers before him. Doing what it takes to thrive, until the inevitable end, remaining in the company of those he feeds.





Powers (Desired):
  • Burying: The ability to sink objects or people into the earth. I.E Sinking someone into the sand until only their head remains, during a high tide.
  • Burrowing: Ability to dig through solid material and create tunnels. I.E Creating a quick tunnel for escape or save time during travel by going through mountains opposed to going around them..
  • Earth Generation: Ability to create earth materials. I.E Creating a wall of solid earth.
  • Earth Transmutation: Ability to change earth material into a different form. I.E Changing quicksand into mud, or soft soil into solid ground.
  • Ground Rupturing: Ability to make the ground burst out. I.E The ground breaking and cracking.
  • Unearthing: Ability to rise up something that was buried beneath earth. I.E Finding buried treasure chest without stress.
  • Ground Liquification: Turning solid ground into liquid substance. I.E an area of solid ground suddenly changing into a pool.
  • Geokinetic Surfing: Ability to use boulders or earthly platforms to move faster. I.E Surfing a boulder.
  • Creating Avalanches, Earthquakes, Mudslides: Abilities to create natural disasters. I.E To cause mass destruction.
  • Terraportation: Ability to teleport through different types of earth material. I.E Teleporting from tree to tree to quickly cross a forest.
  • Fruit/Vegetable Manipulation: Ability to manipulate fruit and vegetables. I.E Make food ripe, spoiled, grow them, change their color.
  • Flower Manipulation: Ability to manipulate flowers. I.E Changing their fragrance, changing their properties. Making harmless flowers poisonous.
  • Plant Fertility Manipulation: Ability to make plants grow faster or slower. I.E Making weeds spread like wildfire and kill crops.
  • Pollen Manipulation: Ability to manipulate how pollen travels and it’s effectiveness. I.E Send paralyzing spores in a certain path, to incapacitate a group of enemies.
  • Vine Manipulation: Ability to control vines. I.E Use vines to bind an enemy.
  • Seismic Sense: Ability to sense things touching earth around you. I.E Sensing other movements from a distance away, if they're on solid ground.
  • Zoolingualism: Ability to talk to animals and the ability to make animals speak comprehensively.


Strengths:
  • Hand to hand combat: He’s quite a good fighter in an unarmed brawl, he can take many good punches to the gut and deal out plenty of pain. Having a knack for it even at a young age, only getting better with the training he performs. He could even teach someone to stand their ground in a fight, at the right price of course. Only improving in tactics and endurance with age.
  • Animal Tamer: He’s quite capable of training and taming the most rowdy, aggressive and stupid beasts upon these lands. Making them quite approachable and well trained. All without any magic necessary. But often form endless trial and error, but if anyone can do it...
  • Linguistic: He is quite fluent in various languages and forms of communication. Quite a fast learner in interpreting different languages when speaking or even writing.

Weaknesses:
  • Mana Reckless: When performing his earth magic, he often lets a little more magic escape than necessary when completing his abilities, making his mana storage deplete often faster than his opponents. Often relying on very quick hit and run tactics, because of his unrestrained magic production.
  • Genophobic: Nothing complicated here, he’s just terrified of sexual experiences. His parents died having him, his closest wolf companions died from birth, the list goes on and the idea always seemed grotesque. He doesn’t mind other sharing or expressing affection, just in other ways.
  • Easily Irritable Sleeper: Though you’ll likely never be able to sneak up and kill him in his sleep, it’s certainly more negative when it doesn’t come to extreme situations, often tossing and turning in sleep which is required for proper mana replenishing and retention. Not usually someone you want to wake up either.
  • Dulled Senses: His ears aren’t much stronger than a human’s from several accidents from his childhood and his nose was always borderline useless, often relying on his wolf or others when needing to smell.

Other:
[Likes]
  • Cooking: He enjoys finding new food and tasting, making recipes for anything savory, spicy or sweet. There’s nothing he won’t cook and feed to those who want it or pay for it. His passion is almost childlike in approach, but his mastery of techniques make him quite excellent at it.
  • A good fist fight: He’s always been interested or intrigued by unarmed brawls, finding them the ultimate test for how worthy you are. Not respectful of anyone who won’t raise their fists in a hostile scenario. He often spares with others to exercise and keep himself healthy and fit.
  • Company of animals: Being quite used to it ever since childhood, animals always seemingly following him around anywhere he went. His powers aren’t taken for granted. His pets often staying beside him, conversing with them constantly.
  • Jokes: He loves jokes, dark, dry, crude, childish, unfunny. Anything that’s meant to give others pleasure through a small giggle or hearty chuckle, he relishes in them and appreciates their craft.

[Dislikes]
  • Long conversations: Despite enjoying being around animals, his pets especially and talking them deaf. He doesn’t actually enjoy communicating with strangers or even his close non-animal friends for very long, especially if he’s not interested in the current topic of discussion. Preferring most communication between others to be brief.
  • Nobility: If you’re rich, you better have a good answer why you haven’t donated over half your income to charity. Don’t just explain that you’ve earned it. He’s quite repulsed by those with excessive wealth or those that brag about material possessions.
  • Reading: Despite being perfectly articulate, his reading comprehension is quite below average. Thus, reading anything that isn’t cooking recipes, he’ll be very disinterested unless someone happens to read it aloud for him.
  • Seeing children or animals being mistreated: Seeing how to piss him off easily, doing malevolent things toward children and animals. Takes proper precautions when hunting, to give animals the proper respect and making it painless as possible.


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@Dynamo Frokane Am I allowed to jest that I clearly have missed nothing? I don't have real internet so I can't post any juicy memes. So I feel left out. :C
@Odin Unfortunately most of that is too vague (without proper explanation or clarification) for me to empathize with what you're talking about exactly. I'll leave the personal feelings at the door, since they're not particularly helpful.

I know people have told me things, it just depends on their personal history (or complete lack thereof) with me on how much I'll take them seriously...They just usually don't give me good reasons for those things. I did specify concrete ones. But don't worry I wasn't trying to rake you over the coals. But it's unfortunate you think I'm unfunny, I'd say that's about the only thing I'm particularly good at. I guess you wouldn't care for real life me either because I do a lot of self-deprecating humor. I wear my friends nearly choking to death on their drinks at my jokes, as a badge of honor.)

I mean if it was based on any actual evidence or examples. Like if I role-played with you in the past and I wasn't polite when bringing up mistakes for instance. But I've never role-played with you. But if you weren't making a personal statement and making a general one instead, that I probably couldn't be polite when pointing out mistakes to people I role play with. There's also many, many points to the contrary of me politely pointing out people spelling errors and getting a perfectly reasonable response back. Some have thanked me for it. If you feel that judging someone entirely, based on limited experience for things that could potentially be beneficial and perfectly innocuous. That kinda sorta sounds like bias to me, but never said you couldn't have them. I guess we can leave it to agreeing to disagree.

(This below isn't at you it's just to save from spamming the thread.)
Having no internet for 3 days fucking sucks. And typing posts from my phone is going to be incredibly arduous and a pain in my ass, because I'm a horribly impatient person and looking at a phone too long hurts my eyes.

There we go, got the vent out of the way...
@Grim I'm aware that's usually how it's done. Honestly if a GM made the rules that you'd have to make a sample post but was also clever enough to describe what it should be about, whether doing what you suggested or making a topic or broad theme which since everyone's reading your CS's anyway it would be fun to see what other people came up with. And I could see that being worth doing because it adds a little extra community interaction.
@Odin So in the scenario that I brought up, you not being the GM, would you PM the GM to bring up the concern with someone else's character post? Or would you just assume the GM gave them the permission to break their own lore or have an undefined power. The customer is always right addage, if you will.

But you at least acknowledge that you can point out people's mistakes and flaws without being judged for it and feel justified for doing so. As long as you are the GM of the campaign or just someone who isn't me? Don't worry about it. I hate me too sometimes. That's even more common ground we share.

I guess it's nice to be honest and transparent with your biases? No really, it's a step. (If I can ever meet someone to give me a concrete reason for their contempt I'd shower them with confetti.)

So theoretically someone else could use the exact same words I use when describing possible advice and critique with writing that you've made. And you'd take it personally to innocuous depending who said it? I suppose I go by the broken clocks can be right twice a day, so if anyone had positive or negative critique to something I had written. I'd appreciate that they took the time to read it in the first place. Though I agree my thoughts can differ from the average individual. I suppose that clears up my query and also previous discussion. Bout all I can add. Was a nice chat. :3

@Grim While the new and old both have con's. I'd say new would be the better choice. (A prologue sample post is actually kind of nifty.) Though would you consider making someone write that before typing out the character sheet or after the character sheet is already accepted? Or is it something that just needs to be done at the same time? (The alternatives I mentioned just sound more convenient to the poster to me.)
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