SleepingSilence

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane But? I'm not debating about religion like that or like anyone on here. Don't group me with peeps. If you think I have a negative outlook on Christianity, or even religion as a concept. You have it incredibly off base. Also the 5,000 year thing was never said in the bible. Now I'm even more confused, are you saying this is a debate between MDK/me or both of us arguing for? Or against? None of it makes sense. Halp.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

How online squabbles tend to go, or whenever I roleplay battle against my roommate. (My roommate was never very good at roleplaying...Sorry. ^3^')



I've had a bad habit picking unfortunate usernames online, that get witted at by every absolute cretin on the face of the earth. Honestly when going through my usernames. SleepingSilence is the most innocuous, but probably the most boring. I don't have any personal story or connection with the username. It's not something I just made up for this site, but might as well be.

I was also considering changing the random icon, to be art I commissioned, so I can stop stealing images like a lazy hack that can't just open up photoshop. (I mean I guess, I did -barely- alter the picture...) But I don't need people going through identity crisis, or showing off that I'm the type of nerd that commissions art. <.<

...Oh, it's too late for that now isn't it?

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Penny That's a twist on words that also doesn't make much sense...it's like telling others not to kill people is playing god...oh wait that is what that is isn't it? Better let the murderers go free...

Hyperbole is hyperbole, but is also being acknowledged as such.

Frivolous lawsuits and the cost of suicide leads to others suffering. But suicide is selfish, so you usually don't care about others when doing it. (And since it's often done because of emotional stuff like that. It's also very ironic too.)

Note: I've been suicidal before, I don't need a circle jerk comment about me being lectured about not getting it. Please? Not saying you. Just laying out the groundwork for the next possible comment.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

So rather than having a professional give you a painless and reliable barbituate to drink, its better that you buy a shotgun at walmart? In either case the individual makes the choice to act not the physician or the walmart clerk.

@Penny

No, I don't want suicide. Period. Hence the entire spiel about self gun wound to head thing. (Also that sentence confuses me, but I get the point.)

And I also already mentioned lawsuits...

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Lost productivity! The horror. If attempted suicide is unprofitable, people should definitely rethink it.

@Penny

@Penny I just found the dismissal of suicide in that statement being a negative thing on many different levels, concerning. Suggesting it would somehow be viable, if it could become profitable or that's the only negative part. That much money being wasted was just pointing out an non-emotional argument of it being selfish (all the suffering of rehab and trauma of others being other examples.) But if that wasn't the point, fine. But I still just don't like the idea of making assisted suicide legal. Because that really is playing god at that point.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Penny Equally respecting all religious practices. Though yes.

Also, I'm not someone against doctors...(hence why I said "people", and didn't include me anywhere in that sentence.) Both my parents are in the medical field. So when I get into arguments about just how healthy pot is for you, I have enough actual secondhand knowledge to roll my eyes. But I still wouldn't want assisted suicide to be a thing. There's enough frivolous lawsuits given to doctors. They don't need more. (where's the thumbs up for that pro-doctor message? No? Just when it's something being misinterpreted? Okay.)

That's incredibly arrogant to take it that way. 11 billion dollars is money that could be going into ANYTHING else. And the point of that study, isn't about money but about the survival rate. So all these people do, is make themselves go through a bunch of hospital time and waste a ton of money in the process. It's never going to be "profitable", can't really make someone pay if their dead. My point of bringing up cost, is the defense of "it's hurting no one else," when it's going to very likely financially burden someone else. (especially if it becomes legal.)

"The average cost of one suicide was $1,329,553. More than 97 percent of this cost was due to lost productivity. The remaining 3 percent were costs associated with medical treatment. The total cost of suicides and suicide attempts was $93.5 billion."

sprc.org/about-suicide/costs

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@POOHEAD189 Well I certainly might have come across as diminishing the benefits or reality of faith, and I'm certainly not.

@Penny Respectfully disagree. :P

And I'd say, thankfully...because people already think doctors play god...I can't imagine how more accurate that would get, if they could legally take someone's life...

While true, some survive even bullets to the head...it's low, but that chance makes the idea of trying so, especially when you're younger. It's an incredibly selfish decision.

(Self inflicted gun head wounds.)
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5175460

For patients who survive SIGSWs to the head, the injuries sustained are often devastating and require multiple complex procedures performed by a diverse team of specialists.

Data measuring the average costs and reimbursements of these cases suggest that UIHC approximately “breaks even” or makes a small profit in the treatment of these patients. This implies that while these cases place a large burden on society—one source estimates an annual cost of $11 billion in lost productivity alone in the United States.

(U.S Study. To gunshot to head.)

communications.yale.edu/sites/default…

A new study, a first of its kind, shows that civilians who
are shot in the head or have other penetrating brain injuries, have a 42 percent chance
of surviving. The senior author of the study, Kevin Sheth, is an Associate Professor of Neurology and
Neurosurgery at Yale. The study, published in Journal Neurology, includes 400 patients
at two major trauma centers.

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That is incorrect.

In fact it is incorrect to say that most Americans are Christian, simply because they claim it. Donald Trump for instance is not really a Christian, by the way he acts. That'd be like calling Stalin a Capitalist simply because he claims it.

Jesus himself says that the road to paradise is narrow and most people won't make it, because of such a lax view of the faith. To be honest, people who claim to be faithful yet don't follow the doctrine are worse off than athiests, for they are pharisees and hypocrites, something Jesus disliked over all others. Jesus himself said that to live the life of a Christian will be very difficult.

To put it simply, if you're a Christian, you need to follow the teachings of Jesus in order to be one. Yes do need to accept Jesus into your heart. However depending on your definition, that is either not all you need to do, or that's an extremely difficult thing to accept. You need to try your best to not judge others, for instance. Do not covet. You need to be willing to sell all other aspects of your life for the faith if need be. You are to value your faith and God above all of your possessions and relationships on earth, and you are to love your neighbor as yourself. Of course, since we are human, all of that is pretty much impossible. But to attempt to live in the faith, as much as you can, is something God wishes.

To say what you said, that it is an easy thing, is honestly insulting to people who truly attempt to live a life like that (me), or someone who made a career out of his faith like my father, who regularly translates Greek and Hebrew texts and spent 12 years of school in Theology.

Christianity is a faith as worthy of respect as Islam or Judaism. Just because a bunch of assholes use the names of God and Jesus while they do shit doesn't make it less so.

@POOHEAD189

I'm not exactly sure where I should start with that one. I agree that those that only claim to be part of the faith exist and many don't practice what they preach. But the idea of the narrow path, is because many lose faith or never have it to begin with. Though I don't know what else you'd need to do, unless you're describing a different subsection that's different from non-denominational. I suppose maybe it's crass to say that faith is an easy path, when many have personal struggles with it. So I'll apologize that my particular phrasing wasn't best, but I only meant that most religions don't require the type of work that was previously implied.

I'm also not entirely sure that I'd agree that all religions deserve the same treatment or respect for that matter. Because there's a difference in the teachings of religions, disregarding extremists. What's actively taught and the prophets/gods and their actions of a particular religion, is important to take note of the differences.

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We are all going to be dead soon anyway, what is the rush? That being said if you are terminally ill and are looking at a slow painful death, I don't think its wrong for you to consider your options.

@Penny

That's getting into the discussion of assisted suicide right?

People that attempt suicide often fail, which only brings them more trauma that they undergo...so it's not even really often the final ending for most those attempt it.

According to the American Association of Suicidology (based on a SAMHSA study)1, there are 25 attempts at suicide for every one success. In young people (aged 15 - 24), the odds are between 100 and 200 to 1 against. The elderly seem a lot more successful at 4:1.

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@Odin The reason why most religions say it's not good to commit suicide is for the very same reason most atheists would hopefully point out that's not a good way to die. Because individuals affect those around them. If you commit suicide you will more than likely psychologically affect someone else. If you just want to die wait for it to happen. Again the idea you seemed to be drawing to is "Gee why don't all religions want everyone to kill themselves?" Because it's not a healthy thing for a society to have in high numbers...(and not questioning the negative outcomes of it is fairly nihilistic.)