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Aaaaaand I'm out!

No point in staying somewhere I'm not welcome. Well, if one of you want a RP without the 'status quo' everyone is so keen in keeping, shot me a PM. I'm the nazi germany to your soviet union (or soviet union to your nazi germany, just don't call me if you are or you need switzerland).
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Rhetoric my friend, just rhetoric. What they think may be (And probably is) very different than reality lol.
Something like that



Otherwise well... Any particularity about history? Only thing I'd have to consider with you would be french in belgium but that's it.
Alright then, I'll take note of it but uh, anything you'd want me to change Zold while you're here?
Let's not let this get heated, but rather remain an amiable discussion. I don't mind, as I'm sure most players didn't, that you're portraying France as a superpower, as you did add that they have weaknesses. Also, your reasoning of giving the world a common enemy is quite acceptable, as I was feeling I'd have to start some diplomatic drama my self just to get things to become a little more action packed. It is just starting out, however.

What I think most people had a problem with, or at least Alfehdil and myself, was the fact that you tried to tell everyone else how their nation acted. And mainly saying that you crushed their nations in your history without talking to them first by PMing them and collaborating on a back story between the two Nations.

But, by all means, if you want to throw an all powerful France into the mix, bring it. The Germans will storm Paris and rip the hypocritical French "leaders" from their soft beds and crush their "liberty" beneath their German boot.


Ah, I like you.

Well, you see, I think 'Invincible Switzerland' is a... redundant theme, redundant as in it comes up very often in RPs. I kind of hate it the idea of it. Not so much hate it as find it boring and in a way, more abusive than me wanting to have the means to back my status as a nemesis of the world because my thing implies situational power at the time, while being uninvadable implies... quasi invincibility.

And I'd like to state how I didn't ask the Netherland player because he stated in his history they hated France for the whole revolution business and that I assumed that germany would have behaved pretty much like it did historically (Take a beating, get up, get pummeled again, get up, get pummeled and get up again.) and add into the mix that german unification would have proceeded while France was in turmoil (I don't mean this as to belittle germany, but to justify France still being ridiculously overconfident). The thing is that Austria just being a neutral rock in Europe is... something I have difficulty warping my head around. But still, Alf seems resonable, I'm sure we could work things out.
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Or perhaps some people actually did have concerns about your nation, and rather than cause a scene in OOC, brought it up with Duck personally. To be fair, they would be well within their rights to, as I did have some concerns myself, but chose to keep them to myself and look to smoothing things over with history.


That is fine and dandy, but again, I can hardly correct my mistakes of I am not told of them. I am also someone who's been on this site since 2008 and I've been in pretty much the first NRPs on this site, so I can notice when people think someone is a powergaming douche. What I want to know is:

1: Am I so stained that I am no longer welcome. (A single person saying yes about this will get me to leave without looking back or arguing.)

2: Is this going to be one of those game where everyone is overly friendly with everyone in-game? Because what I am isn't a powergaming douche but someone that would like an epic tale even if that means an epic downfall (Especially so actually). I'm not here to win (Because if I can tell you something is that wanting to win in a NRP is so counter productive it's ridiculous). If you don't want war, betrayal, careful diplomacy and an all around bad guy outright trying to bully people because it has a stronger army then again tell me, because I'll find this a really boring game.

Again, I don't want to insult anyone or their taste in roleplays, it's just that I don't really want to wait around to myself in something I don't want to be in and then quit, because then you'd lose a player mid game and I'd lose my time. I'm your nazi germany and I'll follow you to the gates of moscow to then have my last hopes crushed in a magnificent counter attack and so forth.

Again, please don't think I'm a dick, because that's generally what people think when they read that, it's just how I like my games. If you don't and want to enjoy a quiet slice of life NRP, then begone I shall and I do hope we can shake hands and part ways in pleasant terms.
I don't know, do you want us to? Or is that a loaded question? I don't recall anyone asking you to leave, unless I can't read English, which is entirely possible.


Oh no. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I am getting 'some vibes here'. The "Actually do to points made to me by people I shall not name, I am actually very wary of you Wernher." bit actually got me to roll my eyes a bit actually. I guess I just like it when people tell me the why of things rather than say it's pretty much ok one post and then say that I have to redo the entire thing the next.
As I am doing now, am I not?

Say, don't be shy, would anyone in here want to stop forward and ask me to leave?
I am somewhat concerned about this French state.


Well, you know, that kind of was the entire point. Have an enemy that's also a credible threat that would make people think they have to work together to defeat it.

Because I read the entire IC and right now we have the Netherlands in good terms with Germany, which are themselves in good terms with Naples and Eiseinkreis which is neutral above all. I personally think it's boring and since both Germany and the Netherlands have stated they have a dislike of the french, I feel like they would maybe even appreciate a France that could at least put up a good fight before rolling over.

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"I highly doubt this "revolutionary fervor" would have spread to Eisenkreis or Kzechverin, since both states came about in a revolution against the prior ruling caste. Thing to note is that if they were to go in against Prussia, Eisenkreis could have been called in to assist, and then your war would have stalled there in the Germanic region. That's fully up to Taniel, however, as he plays the German Empire."

Historically, people hate monarch. Why? Because even if the one holding the leash is more gentle than the previous one, you're still a slave. I don't mean to be insulting in any ways mind you, but I'm a person that likes for there to be action, inside factions and sometimes be your own worst enemy, intrigue and all that.

"This is a decent proposal, though at this point in time, Eisenkreis is a stubborn and stuck-in state, much like Switzerland, and invading them would inflict some terrible losses upon the French. Beyond that, unsure why they would be seeking to "free the minorities of the balkans" as Kzechverin has largely been warring and bringing things upon themselves, through their attacks against the Polish, and even two separate wars against the Ottomans. Back to the point, I could see this as the most likely of your proposals, though more with a truce being struck since one side could not gain ground, and the other one refused to leave their own lands."

The Swiss were conquered by Napoleon and Austria, who would have a significantly more important buildup IRL than you due to the reasons Eisenkreis deposed them, meaning being extremely warlike and having an army of hardened Veterans, was also defeated, many times. No nation is unconquerable. Again, I think it's just a matter of perspective on what we like on nations. I like more organic things were people and nations rise and fall while your view on such things seem to tend to like more static things. I can respect that mind you.

"This one is highly unlikely, due mostly to the military power of Eisenkreis/Bohemia/Kzechverin, and because even /if/ they were to lose so handily as you propose, they would never accept such a peace. The region would be in turmoil, and consistently attempting to throw off French rule. When/if the two nations were to reform, they would also be completely different than what I've already created here, and honestly, that's pretty off-putting just for the sake of past interaction."

Everyone fights the invaders. The thing is that France used puppet governments and generally the argument that you aren't ruled by someone who never worked the fields before and that your taxes don't go on supporting their lavish lifestyles while you toil away tends to calm discidents. Again, we have different views on that.

BUT NONE OF THIS MATTERS. My idea was scrapped as you can read above, so if you want to continue this, it will be an intellectual exercise and it won't matter as I'll have to rebuild France from scratch.
Actually do to points made to me by people I shall not name, I am actually very wary of you Wernher. Your app seems to portray France as extremely powerful, that really needs to be corrected. I dont think France would be that big in Europe.


You know, that is slightly insulting.

Well then, what would France be.
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