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I think we may be at an issue with this because with the fall of the NSDAP then there's no international backing to the Sister Republics which nullifies not only them, but the Communist South in the US. Germany will need to go the route of the NSDAP.

As well, Hitler was considerably popular at the time of his rise and a lot of the elite and the writers backed him to be on what they saw as the winning side, given Hitler alone held the loyalty of a third of the nation behind him.


Hmm good point, Perhaps I could limit to coup to Prussia as hitler's main body of support was mainly in the south of germany (historically a hotbed of german revolutionaries and modern german nationalism). Not to argue but many of the army officals didnt really respect hitler and overall he was a tool of the rest of the SA until the night of the long knives in which he eliminated alot of SA officals whom he saw as a possible threat to his rise of power. (mainly alot of Rohm's SA whom were previous members of the fascist freikorps who brought hitler to power and supported him in the beerhall pusche).and seeing as how the point of departure from history is the start of the great depression it could be assumed that the views of the german people changed during the great depression with possibly different political parties gaining promenience versus the Fascists gaining popularity ( for example a advance of the red front in in the government and government officals being less or more incompetant would definately alter results). besides I'm not arguing that the pusche described in my history was a popular one. besides in the short years after the election of hitler there were many attempted plans to kill hitler (main one being the 1938 Oster conspiracy) or overthrow his power showing that he wasnt as popular a figure head in the military as he was seen. as for my effects on the other nations its quite possible that fascism would've taken hold with minimal german intervention considering parties such as the silver legion of america and the attempted business plot. and with the prescence of you state which is obviously anarcho communist fascism would've had a even more stable platform to be created.
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Name
The United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland

Government Ideology
Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy

Leader
George VI (Albert Frederick Arthur George)

Rough Population
47,290,000

Capital
London

History of Your Nation since start of Great Depression
When the Great Depression began, the British Empire suffered from high unemployment and poverty. The empire was still recovering from the Great War and the Depression surprised many government officials. Soon enough, the government took emergency measures to balance the budget and restore confidence in the pound by issuing an emergency budget, which immediately instituted a round of cuts in public spending and wages. Public sector wages and unemployment pay were cut by 10%, and income tax was raised in the pound. However, these measures were unsuccessful as unemployment rose and the gold standard dropped.

After years of measures to combat against the depression, a slow recovery begun in 1934 because of the withdrawal from the gold standard and the devaluation of the pound. As a result, British exports became more competitive on world markets. During that period of recovery, Nazi Germany was born as Hitler took complete control of the country. Then, an revolt against Hitler began and the country fell into chaos. The British were watching from the sidelines as the Royal Freikorps rose to the up while Hitler ran to Austria.

Right after the successful coup, the new government of Germany immediately invaded Austria to capture Hitler. The British government called for discussions at Stuttgart to discuss the capture of Hitler; however, the discussion was rejected by the 2rd Imperial German Empire and Austria was annexed into the empire. Within weeks of the Fall of Austria, Czechoslovakia was soon added into the German Empire by force as the German people rebel against the Czechoslovakian government. The British didn't have time to respond to the simulation at the country, because they were already signed an treaty with them.

The once powerful British Empire was losing more power as the German Empire took over parts of Poland, Denmark, and Yugoslavia. The Netherlands and Switzerland were completely surrounded as German forces took it in the matter of days. The French government were too afraid to fight against the powerful and ruthless German Empire and gave up the Rhineland. They also left the alliance with the British as the agreement that they would be left alone by them. The Allies were no more and the British had to make a tough decision to let them continue their campaign of terror in Europe. Soon enough, British and Germany officials met in Berlin to sign The Cottbus Agreement.

The Cottbus Agreement stated that the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland would leave the 2rd Imperial German Empire alone, if they don't attack their colonies, dominions, and the homeland. It was signed right after the Treaty of Washington was also signed. With the fall of the United States of America and the British Empire losing control of Europe, democracy had lost to fascism. With The Cottbus Agreement signed and ratified, the British Empire looked beyond Europe and into the colonies of Asia and Africa. Many citizens are worried that the German Empire will backstab them for their colonies; however, the government is preparing for that moment to come.
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Sorry if the history is too long. Also sorry if this conflicts really badly with anyone else's written history, I haven't had time to read everyone else's yet but I can edit all of this as need be!
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Well, this is awkward.
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Well, this is awkward.


Ah geez did I go and ruin everything again.

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@Chairman Stein, I am not going to lie to you (I am not kind of person, plus I can be too honest). But, you did ruin some of my plans. Thankfully, your sheet is well organized and has tons of stuff in the history section. If I had been replaced by a person that wasn't as well organized as you're, then I would of been more upset.

This was just a small setback, but you didn't ruin everything. I can deal with it. Like I said before, I like your sheet and the amount of detail that you did. Plus, you put depth into the history, which always makes me happy when someone does that.
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@The Spectre It's okay your Majesty you still have Canada

YOUR NEW JEWEL OF THE EMPIRE ;)
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@BlekeeMore like jewELK of the Empire, amirite? :D
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Hmm good point, Perhaps I could limit to coup to Prussia as hitler's main body of support was mainly in the south of germany (historically a hotbed of german revolutionaries and modern german nationalism). Not to argue but many of the army officals didnt really respect hitler and overall he was a tool of the rest of the SA until the night of the long knives in which he eliminated alot of SA officals whom he saw as a possible threat to his rise of power. (mainly alot of Rohm's SA whom were previous members of the fascist freikorps who brought hitler to power and supported him in the beerhall pusche).and seeing as how the point of departure from history is the start of the great depression it could be assumed that the views of the german people changed during the great depression with possibly different political parties gaining promenience versus the Fascists gaining popularity ( for example a advance of the red front in in the government and government officals being less or more incompetant would definately alter results). besides I'm not arguing that the pusche described in my history was a popular one. besides in the short years after the election of hitler there were many attempted plans to kill hitler (main one being the 1938 Oster conspiracy) or overthrow his power showing that he wasnt as popular a figure head in the military as he was seen. as for my effects on the other nations its quite possible that fascism would've taken hold with minimal german intervention considering parties such as the silver legion of america and the attempted business plot. and with the prescence of you state which is obviously anarcho communist fascism would've had a even more stable platform to be created.


Given the short time of divergence (presumably, GM has been missing for an extended period or forgot about this RP) the chance of too wide a divergence is pretty slim. I would argue apart from the United States the lot of us would be writing the process of our national divergences based on pre-existing patterns. So what it comes down to in Germany is that Adolf Hitler would most likely catch the wave he got to ride on in the demographics he did so, folk like the veterans of the war and other infuriated types not the already fractured left-wing parties.

I'm not saying a coup against Hitler would be impossible, but a coup against him would amount to triggering a revolution. And in the short time we'd have between the point of divergence and now you may have to find yourself actually writing about the revolution as a current event. Which isn't a bad thing: it would actually give you a lot to write about by being in a state of something being incomplete as opposed to complete as a whole. You wouldn't have to struggle to find something to write about.

But as I said before, @Preusen's app sort of implies there'd need to be a Nazi Germany based simply on the line "Yet, another threat arose as the National-Socialist- German backed party secured a narrow-election in New Jersey." There'd have to be an active and able Nazi party, likely in power in Germany to fund and support the rise in power of American Fascists in New Jaw-zay.
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@Blekee, yeah I do still have my dear Canada.
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Well here's hoping the RP is still kicking. It'd be a shame if it died.
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Well here's hoping the RP is still kicking. It'd be a shame if it died.


I have honestly been contemplating making a list of people whose RP's I am to ignore or who may wish to take up roles that may be serious on the basis of their unreliability.

So far now with this RP, that list is two people long.
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I'm pretty much just waiting for when we, actually begin RPing, to be honest.
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I have honestly been contemplating making a list of people whose RP's I am to ignore or who may wish to take up roles that may be serious on the basis of their unreliability.

So far now with this RP, that list is two people long.


I'd say go for it however my activity varies depending on personal health issues. For instance right now I'm pretty active but I'll admit a few RPs in the past have likely died due to a lack of activity that I could have prevented. So I of all people can't throw a stone at those who vanish for a few days.
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I'd say go for it however my activity varies depending on personal health issues. For instance right now I'm pretty active but I'll admit a few RPs in the past have likely died due to a lack of activity that I could have prevented. So I of all people can't throw a stone at those who vanish for a few days.


I mean, I attribute the death of any RP I join to my own personal flaws so it's probably not your fault in a lot of those cases.

Or maybe I'm just a giant, irresponsible piece of shit.

Anyways, I'm back at home now so I can finish up my NS and make a flag. Probably get posting to, with the GM gone I suppose it would be okay for someone who's NS doesn't have any major problems to jump in.
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If the original GM doesn't come back, I was thinking of taking over the basic concept and making a brand new roleplay that's more organized. However, I have to go back to college around the 12th of August; but, I only have to go on Mondays and Wednesdays. And I will be GMing for the first time.

I am just tried of seeing roleplays on this section that I am interested in dying so quickly.

EDIT: Plus, I spent too much time on my sheet on a roleplay that will just die like that. I meant August 22th, not the 12th.
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Wait do not lose hope yet! I have been without internet for multiple days now. I got more than a little scared when the last I saw this thread had 4 posts and now it is over 50. Thanks for all the interest guys, I've skimmed through everything, but I'm going to be getting to reading everything and answering questions right now. I guess it would also help if I got a co-gm, anyone interested?
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@KingTip, I would be interested to be Co-GM. Also, sorry about almost taking the roleplay for you.
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Starting from page one:

@ONL I really like your history, to be honest I was expecting a communist west coast but you really tied it together. You're good to post in characters.
As for your question, this alt timeline starts to diverge early in the Great Depression, when it becomes much worse than in our timeline. I wouldn't say there is a exact point of divergence, though. However diverging does influence and cause the different results of the election.


@Ayazi Beautiful history, and interesting and fun country choice (especially since I saw that a China joined too). Post in the characters tab!


@Dinh AaronMK Really, really good history! Seriously enjoyed the read. I'm going to enjoy the interstate diplomacy that starts hapening between everyone. To the characters tab!


@Preusen Awesome. Reading yours was a rollercoaster ride. I loved it and all the extra details you added making it super immersive. I do agree that maybe FDR wouldn't be a great choice for your leader, but you can change it or convince me still.


@Doctoryzer Really cool app, and impressive being your first alt history. I do think you meant 515 million, not 515 thousand for population, right? Fix that and you're good to post in characters.


@Keyguyperson Man, when you said 'bare-bones', had no flag, and had not edited, I was skeptical. The I read your history. Holy crap man, really good! I swear this situation with all of these nations would make a really great book. Once you get a flag, post in characters.


@Claw2K11 I like your idea, but a few things: In this alternate history the Great Depression was really bad for everyone. If you can start to get some self-sustainability that's good and would lessen the effects, like the Mexican Miracle (Thanks Dinh), but I think that it would be greatly less significant. I think a bit more struggle is needed during the mid parts of your history. Also, a smaller thing, the rp starts a few days after the Treaty of Washington DC, which is later in the year. So if you wanted to mobilize and declare war on a fractured US, you would want to do it actually when it fractures (after August 13th). Fix these and possibly add a bit more detail and I think you'll have a pretty good nation set up.


@Blekee Even though you say your background isn't fully developed, I think it still has extreme quality. You are free to post in characters and can still add more to that backstory because I would love to read more.
As for your question, I purposely left out most information about the rest of the world, wanting to see (and was pleasantly surprised by) how people could interpret and change outside countries without many restrictions. Judging by mentions in some apps, and no one has chosen them yet, I think the USSR will be an NPC, without extreme changes made.


@thorgili I like your app, but I do agree it conflicts a little bit, and I think it would be a more fun and working app if you went with your prussia idea you mentioned. Do some changing, I like the way this could be going. The idea of ou still being mid-revolution could also be very interesting and maybe add a bit more balance.


@The Spectre Nice! Your app looks good, but I am sorry about Germany. While you won't have to fix anything, You will have to edit to what thorgili changes to. Just wait a bit until thorgili updates. I am very sorry about making you change.
However, you do seem like a good co-GM so I would love to have you aboard! (tbh if I actually was gone I would have wanted someone like you to start a new similar rp)


@Chairman Stein I really like your immense depth and lore! I love how this is all turning out. You are, of course, free to post yours in characters. However, a side note, we don't start on January 1st, more like November 1st (Due to others having wars and stuff after the Treaty) and that might not even be far enough ahead, we'll have to see. But if that changes anything with your end piece, just wanted you to know.



Wow, that was a lot. Can't wait to see what happens! We should be able to start RP soon, and still let people join. If we've talked about their country they would have to conform to what has already been RP'ed.

HOLY **** I JUST GOT SCARED. I clicked a 'next page' on this same tab I'm writing on, luckily chrome has magic and when I pressed back it was still here. I might have rage quit until tomorrow if i lost it
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