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See? Less paper is good for everyone. ;D


I wonder if one can say that while in the toilet.

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Why the Daedric Princes don't just directly communicate confuses me as well. So, Sheogorath at one point TELEPORTS YOU INTO HIS FOLLOWERS MIND and a shrine isn't even there. Then he communicates to you from the mans mind. So they can speak to you in another persons brain, but can't speak through them/to them? Then you have Sanguine, who can freely walk into the mortal world with no one stopping him. Then Sheogorath, again, who can randomly choose to intervene in any summoning ritual of a Daedric prince and replace their appearance with himself.

Then there's Hermeus Mora, who can just appear fucking anywhere if he wants to apparently.

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Why the Daedric Princes don't just directly communicate confuses me as well. So, Sheogorath at one point TELEPORTS YOU INTO HIS FOLLOWERS MIND and a shrine isn't even there. Then he communicates to you from the mans mind. So they can speak to you in another persons brain, but can't speak through them/to them? Then you have Sanguine, who can freely walk into the mortal world with no one stopping him. Then Sheogorath, again, who can randomly choose to intervene in any summoning ritual of a Daedric prince and replace their appearance with himself.

Then there's Hermeus Mora, who can just appear fucking anywhere if he wants to apparently.

Edit: I misread the posts, but still, the abilities of the Princes are all over the damn place.


something something different morality and points of view, something something higher consciousness

Isn't like TES is known for its consistency anyway.
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something something different morality and points of view, something something higher consciousness

Isn't like TES is known for its consistency anyway.


To be fair, maybe the other princes are just holding off the crazier ones like Molag Bal from doing shit they want to do and letting the least dangerous to Tamriel do what they want.
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To be fair, maybe the other princes are just holding off the crazier ones like Molag Bal from doing shit they want to do and letting the least dangerous to Tamriel do what they want.


For some reason I can't see them giving a fuck.

The Oblivion Crisis was led by the Lord of Destruction after all.
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For some reason I can't see them giving a fuck.

The Oblivion Crisis was led by the Lord of Destruction after all.


They might have interfered if he was actually able to succeed, Jyggalag was an older prince turned into Sheogorath because the other Princes were scared that he became too powerful. The Lord of destruction destroying the entire known world might be "too powerful". Who knows, maybe they empowered the protagonist during all the optional quests because it would possibly help him stop Molag Bal.

On another note, Hircine would care because if Mehrunes Dagon destroyed the world there could be no hunt, the only thing he cares about. Molag Bal couldn't dominate that which was destroyed. So really it depended on whether or not Mehrunes planned to destroy ALL THE THINGS. Because the Princes do tend to care about their specific aspect.
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I wonder if one can say that while in the toilet.



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I wonder if one can say that while in the toilet.


Just use your hand you coward.
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They might have interfered if he was actually able to succeed, Jyggalag was an older prince turned into Sheogorath because the other Princes were scared that he became too powerful. The Lord of destruction destroying the entire known world might be "too powerful". Who knows, maybe they empowered the protagonist during all the optional quests because it would possibly help him stop Molag Bal.

On another note, Hircine would care because if Mehrunes Dagon destroyed the world there could be no hunt, the only thing he cares about. Molag Bal couldn't dominate that which was destroyed. So really it depended on whether or not Mehrunes planned to destroy ALL THE THINGS. Because the Princes do tend to care about their specific aspect.


Dagon is about renewal as much as he's about destruction - he only destroys things that are so they become new things, so he can destroy again and give new life again and so on (he is, after all, also the Lord of Change and Energy). Considering that this gives him a chaotic and life-giving note, compared to the dull and lifeless order that Jyggalag brings (honestly he feels more like an Aedra than a Daedra, what with his essence being against the Padomaic theme all Daedra have), I'm not sure if the Daedric Princes would intervene.

I remember reading somewhere that this was the reason he wished to invade Tamriel - in Daedric realms everything goes back to what they are (Daedra don't die and end up resurrecting, lost things are found again and so on), which pissed him off.
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I actually had this conversation about Jyggalag earlier today. Whereas the Divines represent aspects of life and of community, these individual traits, the Daedra are less about contributing to life, but rather to meddle with or control it. Dagon was a great example, Molag another - even Meridia. She's so damn insulted by something, that she sends you somewhere as her hand, to directly interfere with the plans or actions of another and to snuff out this evil. There is no real choice in the matter, no bargain, simply the direct interference of Nirn.

Jyggalag, as harmless as his domain of order might seem, would actually be a huge threat to Tamriel. Imagine a tall office building, with cubicles among cubicles among cubicles. Zombies in their cubicles. Going in. Going out. They move like clockwork, are totally obedient, and there's no soul in this place. Humanity has enough order to function, but we're far too much a free spirit to really accept that, especially in Tamriel. I don't think any race in Tamriel would be open to that sort of subjugation.
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@Spoopy Scary, @Dervish and I talked a bit in private, so what he said are mostly what we agreed on. Here's my extra bits.

Overall
Quality writing all around. You've spent 12 hours writing the sheet, and the quality shines through because of it. The only formatting issues I see are: missing underline for adept conjuration and Bosmeri, and maybe bold each weakness title (up to you here). Your polished formatting, lack of grammar and spelling mistake shows amazing attention to detail; great work.


Strength
Agreeing with everything you and Dervish discussed. Another angle to approach her Bals out berserk is to emphasize surprise and aggression over raw strength. Self damage is the right price for pushing her body beyond her typical limit. Not only is this a fair trade, but also gives her berserk a negative aspect that makes it truly something she despises.


Daedric Possession
Just to clarify, the werewolf Dervish mentioned was actually imprisoned through a group vote; she was later killed off-screen.

Now, my take on Daedra possession is that it requires some sort of trigger. Whether that be a shrine, an artifact or proximity to Oblivion due to phenomena like portals or the Planemeld. If you want to keep some possession action, you need to setup an extraordinary circumstance for it to happen. Maybe she wandered too close to a Bal shrine, or maybe she found a cult trinket and wore it without knowing. Should you choose this route, you need to make sure it ends when she gets to Dawnstar. Removing the trigger not only prevents Wylendriel from being overpowered, but also makes sense for her to be moving away from the cult/summoning location and/or throw away the Daedric trinket.


Voices
I believe Daedric princes spend so much time talking to the protagonists is because of their role as the prophesied hero/prisoner. For an average Jane like Wylendriel, big bads like Bal have better hobbies than watching her 24/7. Dervs does have a point in that she is actively shutting out Molag Bal, rather than a cultist embracing his voices. Since Martin dragoned himself to seal off Oblivion, importing anything Daedric to Tamriel is going to take more efforts than before. Sure, princes like Sanguine and Sheogorath can manifest on Nirn, but I've noticed their activities are restricted to indirect influences; tempting and deceiving over straight up attacks. The Dragonborn had to agree to the princes before they try anything crazy.

Here's an alternative; hear voices once and only once. Molag Bal only talks to her to seal deal and directs her on a path of rampage, then everything after become blurry flashes. Tying back to possession, the one-time Daedric lecture can be attributed to something like a nearby cult site. Wylendriel will not have any more voice mails from Bal, not unless Dervish or myself decide to revisit. She probably doesn't know that, and can continue to fear for more voices.


Conjuration
You guys got this all figured out. Keep it adept, add she was a novice before and introduce non-Daedric skills she uses regularly.


Mercenaries
Wylendriel can be officially employed as a medic and/or chaplain. The chaplain route is interesting because our company could use someone with religious knowledge to defuse our crises of faith. She can also be contracted by the jarl and attached to our mercenary company "temporarily". It's best we discuss her entry into the group after we've addressed all other concerns.


Dominion
The purges exist. Delphine claims Malborn's family is victim to it. This post on TESLore subreddit has some good points that I'm going to adopt. I have no problem with your references of the purges.

The Dominion Wylendriel lived in was the Third Aldmeri Dominion. It was founded in 4E 22, following a Thalmor backed coup removing pro-Cyrodiil rulers. So as Dervish have said, being born around 140 would mean she lived under Dominion jurisdiction since birth.



That ought to do it. Sorry for the delay.
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@Hank o.o why do I have the feeling that Narzul is going to kill someone? That last sentence tho.
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@Hank o.o why do I have the feeling that Narzul is going to kill someone? That last sentence tho.


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rip Do'karth




DK in like 5 min.
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@gcold, @Dervish, so all of the changes were made. All of the important edits are highlighted in yellow, things would significantly impact the character. I made other edits along the way that fixed typos, funny wording, and moved some things around so that it simply read better and might evoke a more powerful response. One of the spells, Banish Daedra, is actually an adept level spell that Wylendriel would not have been able to learn upon joining the temple in Skyrim - but, given how Molag Bal giving her knowledge of conjuration, and her having a basis to work on with knowing how to repel undead, what training she did received in attempting to learn how to banish daedra, I'd imagine that it wouldn't be too hard for her to figure out how to do that after the Prince's daedric boogaloo (I love that phrase now).

Also, Molag spoke twice and not once because I'm a rebel (not really I'm a huge softie and loud voices scare me). I figured, once, to seal the deal (and she was on top of an ancient altar site), and the second time because she carried a piece of it with her. Even then... it's not much. A couple of words.

Let me know if I missed something. As usual, input is appreciated.

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Character Submission number deux!

Y'all might remember her from Solveig's "meet a character from another game" story.

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Raelyn could join in on peacekeeping efforts, if only because she has a vested interest in keeping Do'Karth (and any other member of the mercenary company aside from Gustav) from being murdered.
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@Spoopy Scary I'll get to checking over the revision tomorrow! Stepped away from the compooper for a while.
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Thanks for the update, Dervy-bird!

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Raelyn could join in on peacekeeping efforts, if only because she has a vested interest in keeping Do'Karth (and any other member of the mercenary company aside from Gustav) from being murdered.


Assuming I'm accepted, and accepted in time, Wylendriel might be able to help Do'karth recover, should her help be required, from said murder attempt!

I mean, there's a lot of novice and apprentice level restoration practitioners, sure, but you know.
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Thanks for the update, Dervy-bird!

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Assuming I'm accepted, and accepted in time, Wylendriel might be able to help Do'karth recover, should her help be required, from said murder attempt!

I mean, there's a lot of novice and apprentice level restoration practitioners, sure, but you know.


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Raelyn could join in on peacekeeping efforts, if only because she has a vested interest in keeping Do'Karth (and any other member of the mercenary company aside from Gustav) from being murdered.


The attempt seems well averted so far. Probably a couple of IC days later when Niernen pisses off her brother again.
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