@Vilageidiotx do me a favor and find that picture of the different racial types with the irish skull along with the white and black one

This thing?

I'm betting that you're not arguing CNN was an arm of the Trump campaign. Think of every second of CNN's Trump coverage as a poorly-invested thousand dollar bill from the Clintons.

No, I don't think CNN colluded with Trump. That's the point I was making, actually, that he didn't need to buy them off because the media were more than happy to accidentally act as his media arm by covering him all the time, whether that be for sinister purposes or good ol' tabloid rubbernecking. Either way I'm pretty well convinced that the MSM Trump hates is the primary actor in getting him elected since it was them who made him the star of the show.

Again, I don't think the science is consistent and I don't know how much is actually human impact. And the like I said, the heat will go down half a degree for 50 years at least...supposedly. How the hell does that work if humans are the primary cause?

Will/can we argue, we aren't the biggest problem, but we are a PART of it? (and the 90 percent agree thing is total falsehood.) I mean I guess that would at least maybe stop a bit of the crazy hyper rich humans are killing the planet thing. (when third world countries are bound to be doing worse...but I think asking them to rid of their gas, when they have no electricity, is a bit pushy.) when our own air, water is cleaner than ever and we have more tree's than when we first settled in America...So I think we already are doing a pretty good job ourselves, like I said, our emissions are already going down. Yet Europe's is going up and they seem to be implementing a lot more environmental restrictions. Doesn't add up does it?

Right now you are posting one guy though. Complex science is a group effort that involves shit loads of people adding all of their work together and eeking out probabilities. You'll find one dude claiming just about anything - there are biologists who argue against evolution. And that is fine, because the multitude of evidences and arguments are necessary for something scientific to refine itself. We just can't get stuck on the idea that because there is minority dissent, the entire thing is a house of cards.

At this point, the consensus on global warming does lean the one way. Pretty heavily.

I understand that's what they're trying to do, but it's proven so far to be a giant expensive sinkhole. I'm not saying solar panels couldn't help assist, but I doubt it will ever fully replace anything. But I also highly disagree with all subsides, of government picking winners and losers for companies. It makes the free market, much less free...this could go into many different directions, but I just think it would be more even competition without subsiding either side. And see who comes out on top, for providing energy, effective and cheap energy. (The answer isn't giant windmills. ;P)

I doubt that fossil fuel is the pinnacle of civilization. That seems incredibly unlikely considering all we have accomplished thus far. If it's not wind power it'll be something else. Though it is my understanding that the energy potential is mostly being hampered by battery tech at the moment.

The problem with market deification is that the market is a very limited tool that requires quick returns, which scientific research can't always be expected to produce. We cannot expect the market to do everything for the same reason we can't expect any other single portion of our society to do all the heavy lifting.

I meant he showed that he had no backbone. I don't want a president without a backbone. With things that needed a man who could say, NO. One moment was when he let two BLM protestors take over his speech, call his racist (when the dude walked in the civil rights movement.) backing down so quickly to something clearly hostile/shallow like that. I can't imagine how that would go in a more serious way. Dealing with terrorism or other nations for example. But it wasn't just that, nearly every move he made in his campaign was way too passive. That won't win elections. That's a fact. And it wasn't only to be civil either, because he bashed plenty of people, just not the people he needed to.

The BLM thing fit in with the "This is about the people, I want to hear your voice" schtick. If he had them dragged out that probably would have ended his career right there tbh. It wouldn't have fit his message.

That he didn't bash people for the sake of political gain seems fine to me. He stayed on his message, that was pretty much his focus, and didn't focus on attacking his opponents. Like I said, I can respect the living shit out of a non-mudslinger. If it is true he lost and Trump won primarily because Trump was more vicious, well, that reflects poorly on us as a society.

Yes, the media giving him show much screen time and everyone being so damn desperate to stop him, probably did help. But I think it was everyone's/media's behavior with the people in general that got him elected. But no, The Clinton's had way more money than he did. Donations and everything. And if I ran, it be third party. So I'd have no chance. (I'd assume same for you?) -.-

But like I said, Bush one 'because you could have a beer with em' Obama won because black and pot. And Trump won because the left pulled a Microsoft...during their Xbone 1 reveal. Telling everyone, including their fans to fuck right off and deal with it. And Ps4 Trump won by doing basically nothing. "Hello, America. I don't hate all of you. Vote me."

*uproarious applause*

#Electionsinanutshell

Donald Trump couldn't have done what he did if he weren't rich. That's all I am saying. If he were normal folk, he would have had to dump money. What he showed is that celebrity and wealth allows you to get the Presidency with a smaller campaign budget. Which, to me, isn't really that inspirational.

In an ideal situation I would prefer to be an independent, of course. That probably wouldn't be realistic though... they don't usually do very well. I mean, it's what, Bernie Sanders and Ross Perot that managed to snatch national attention as Indepenents? Cool company, but not super successful company.

And yeh, that break down is pretty good, but it goes further back then that.

William Henry Harrison was a man you voted for because he drank hard liquor like a proper country boy.

At this point, the consensus on global warming does lean the one way. Pretty heavily.
"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: "

That was in this article and that is a patently not true statement. Making me not take anything in that article seriously.

That was a shitty survey done in 2009, with 200 people and even in THAT survey it didn't conclude that. :/

I doubt that fossil fuel is the pinnacle of civilization. That seems incredibly unlikely considering all we have accomplished thus far. If it's not wind power it'll be something else. Though it is my understanding that the energy potential is mostly being hampered by battery tech at the moment.

The problem with market deification is that the market is a very limited tool that requires quick returns, which scientific research can't always be expected to produce. We cannot expect the market to do everything for the same reason we can't expect any other single portion of our society to do all the heavy lifting.

I think we'll find even more efficient ways to use those fuels. We've already made it much cheaper through fracking.

The EPA admits it has no proof it does anything, and the drinking water part they now claim, has been debunked.

apmreports.org/story/2016/12/13/epa-f…

forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2016/12/15/y…

But I'll be an optimist, and say I'd love to see alternative energy make progress because there's nothing wrong with competition. They just need to stop being subsidized, $74 billion in federal subsidies, or 25 times how many fossil fuels are getting. (and shouldn't be getting either for the record.)

forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/05/3…

forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/…

And if the product was cheap and effective, and was actually a viable source. That's made a lot of progress in you're own words, It should be able to profit without so much effort.

dailycaller.com/2014/12/08/112-solar-…

And not be this much of a futile effort.

The BLM thing fit in with the "This is about the people, I want to hear your voice" schtick. If he had them dragged out that probably would have ended his career right there tbh. It wouldn't have fit his message.

That he didn't bash people for the sake of political gain seems fine to me. He stayed on his message, that was pretty much his focus, and didn't focus on attacking his opponents. Like I said, I can respect the living shit out of a non-mudslinger. If it is true he lost and Trump won primarily because Trump was more vicious, well, that reflects poorly on us as a society.

I honestly wouldn't defend that, but even if you believe so. Him not going after Clinton was his own undoing. Him supporting her after the fact, certainly completely went against his own message.

And no Bernie lost, mainly because his message wasn't viable and more people knew it at the time. And he was snubbed/cheated by Clinton/democrats herself.

Trump won because he would call terrorism, terrorism. He didn't call half of america, deplorable people. He won because he didn't demonize an entire race and gender for being evil and the cause of all the worlds problems. If we're going to talk about bitter venom losing an election, that's on the progressive left side. That you can thank for that.

I can't respect Bernie in the slightest, for someone who basically said "White people can't be poor and don't understand what it's like being in a ghetto" in fact, I've said it before, I'll say it again. He can go f himself.

Donald Trump couldn't have done what he did if he weren't rich. That's all I am saying. If he were normal folk, he would have had to dump money. What he showed is that celebrity and wealth allows you to get the Presidency with a smaller campaign budget. Which, to me, isn't really that inspirational.

In an ideal situation I would prefer to be an independent, of course. That probably wouldn't be realistic though... they don't usually do very well. I mean, it's what, Bernie Sanders and Ross Perot that managed to snatch national attention as Indepenents? Cool company, but not super successful company.

And yeh, that break down is pretty good, but it goes further back then that.

William Henry Harrison was a man you voted for because he drank hard liquor like a proper country boy.

Okay, just because I think is paragraph is implying Bernie isn't loaded.

washingtonexaminer.com/bernie-sanders…

He's a six figure socialist, so that's a touch ironic. And a millionaire. Change only starts with yourself, why not redistribute his own wealth? Because when people want to steal money because "poor" well there's always someone worse off than you...why aren't you doing anything about it? It's because it's not for helping, it's being envious your neighbor has a bigger house.

And if Donald was poor, but got the funding from somewhere else and he was still as known as he was. It wouldn't of changed a thing...But yes, it's difficult for "anyone" to become president in that sense. But I mean, it's not hard to understand why that's the case...

(I'm also not entirely sure his well-known persona, made anyone take him seriously) I honestly thought for quite a while he'd pull what he did last time, say he'd run, then never do anything about it...

Oh, I'm sure it's been more than just them...I'm not saying that it isn't a sad thing, when even Hitler himself knew putting himself in a picture with a dog would make him seem more human. People are emotional, irrational and stupid. (“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”)

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This thing?

Yes that thing.

@AndreyichThis is why 19th century biology doesn't get taken seriously in any respected scientific circle, its clear that the 'science' had a clear political bias, this is where prejudice becomes problematic because its distorting the facts.

You have to attempt to suspend your emotions to look at things objectively.

Anti-Irish sentiment wasnt the only example of this, there were military documents based on the same science during WW2 that said that Negroes were genetically too cowardly to fly planes, and guess what, the tuskeegee airmen came along and proved that to be a bunch of political pseudo-scientific racist horseshit.

There is more genetic diversity in Africa then there is outside of it, this is a FACT.

There is no racial 'gene' or collection of genes to accurately account for what we have socially grouped as race, that is a FACT.

Science does not account for Race in any meaningful way, there can be no 'facts' about race because race isn't a fact, its an artificial social construct, a side effect of tribalism.

Phrenology is just being kept down by the man! There is a conspiracy to silence proponents of phrenology!

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Yes that thing.

@AndreyichThis is why 19th century biology doesn't get taken seriously in any respected scientific circle, its clear that the 'science' had a clear political bias, this is where prejudice becomes problematic because its distorting the facts.

You have to attempt to suspend your emotions to look at things objectively.

Anti-Irish sentiment wasnt the only example of this, there were military documents based on the same science during WW2 that said that Negroes were genetically too cowardly to fly planes, and guess what, the tuskeegee airmen came along and proved that to be a bunch of political pseudo-scientific racist horseshit.

There is more genetic diversity in Africa then there is outside of it, this is a FACT.

There is no racial 'gene' or collection of genes to accurately account for what we have socially grouped as race, that is a FACT.

Science does not account for Race in any meaningful way, there can be no 'facts' about race because race isn't a fact, its an artificial social construct, a side effect of tribalism.

"xddd look 200 years ago there was this one thing completely different from what you are saying but heh I think it's similar enough so you're wrong xd"

I have suspended my emotions, you clearly haven't since once again you rely on "muh exceptions." I'm not relying on nineteenth century things, even if you are relying on them - once again emotionally by showing old propaganda pieces - to try to dissuade me.

Yes, there is a lot of genetic diversity in Africa. That is why different African groups have radically different traits and abilities. Melanesians have via mutations gained blond hair, whilst sea gypsies - another African group - have developed near perfect underwater vision; this however only goes to prove my point.

There is however more than enough variation to account for what is grouped as a race however. Yes, because of some admixture in places like North Africa, the Mediterranean, the Caucasus, etc. the lines are slightly blurred but that doesn't change anything.'

Your last paragraph is also wrong because once again, then racial specific appearances and disease would not have occurred. But I guess I'll go tell people that their red hair is a lie perpetrated by raycis ku klux klan members.

Wow who knew that entire scientific consensus on race was wrong! These rantings will certainly set the anthropological community afire! All those millions of hours of exhaustive study, genetic studies and statistical analysis failed to pick up what this one incisive mind knew all along!

That's kind of ironic.

There's been a lot race realism drama online recently, that I've been observing. Several youtubers making videos of such. And one thing that I see being talked about is the race bell curve and genetics in intelligence.

That testing was done by comparing entire countries...war torn countries in Africa vs wealthy places of other countries and tried to make it about the race, and not about the poverty. But the same races had 12-17 point deviations on IQ, when comparing rich and poor. And also, one I can personally attest to myself. Anxiety can wildly vary the IQ score as well.

Though again, it's not 100% proven either way. It seems pretty clear this is an environmental/poverty issue. And is not connected to genetics. And the IQ test as it is, isn't a wholly accurate measurement of IQ in the first place.

@Dynamo Frokane You know what, this happened forever ago, but I take it back. Stefan Molyneux is fucked in the head.

(Not a perfect video by all means. (and long as fuck.) But I'd encourage to watch it. Since it's on race realism. (for the most part.)



@Andreyich I'd encourage you watch both of these, when you have nothing else to do. Because the first one is a bit boring, not going to lie. But I feel like since you do follow some of that train of thought, it may be helpful.

There's been a lot race realism drama online recently, that I've been observing. Several youtubers making videos of such. And one thing that I see being talked about is the race bell curve and genetics in intelligence.

Youtubers almost solely exist to make $$$ not to do quality shit.

That testing was done by comparing entire countries...war torn countries in Africa vs wealthy places of other countries and tried to make it about the race, and not about the poverty. But the same races had 12-17 point deviations on IQ, when comparing rich and poor. And also, one I can personally attest to myself. Anxiety can wildly vary the IQ score as well.

And? the people in the same income range had different IQ scores based on race, although this may have more to do with diversity quotas and affirmative action making the less qualified take positions they shouldn't be in, so I guess in some areas where these two things exist that is a non-point for me.

Though again, it's not 100% proven either way. It seems pretty clear this is an environmental/poverty issue. And is not connected to genetics. And the IQ test as it is, isn't a wholly accurate measurement of IQ in the first place.

It's not 100% accurate but in general, g IQ is how smart you are whether you like it or not. The tests are also generally designed to have non-academic questions and such that do not rely on the acquired knowledge one gets throughout life but rather just the innate intelligence they were born with.

@Andreyich I'd encourage you watch both of these, when you have nothing else to do. Because the first one is a bit boring, not going to lie. But I feel like since you do follow some of that train of thought, it may be helpful.

While I do have to agree that stefan is a bit of a whackjob imam of ancapistan, these videos are also meh.

Also, I got a few shits and giggles out of the following:

Published on Oct 5, 2016
I'm going to update the citations once this is done and I can stand to look at these videos again. What a pain in the ass.

Aaaaaand months later I realize I never did. I've been avoiding this topic for months. Maybe we'll touch on it again.

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Published on Oct 5, 2016
I'm going to update the citations once part 2 is up. I'm currently building it while this is uploading. (they weren't added)

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Phrenology is just being kept down by the man! There is a conspiracy to silence proponents of phrenology!

weren't you talking like five posts ago about how literally one's entire life and free will are determined by their genetics?

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weren't you talking like five posts ago about how literally one's entire life and free will are determined by their genetics?

Evolution and genetic determination are very important except for when you look at how it affects different human groups because that's raycis and wrong :^))))))

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Evolution and genetic determination are very important except for when you look at how it affects different human groups because that's raycis and wrong :^))))))

It's not doublethink if your biochemistry made you do it.

Its not double think to think its double think because you really don't have a choice ;)

Its too bad that the mechanistic nature of the universe didn't cause a more widespread and complete understanding of genetics to propagate. That might have avoided some unpleasantness.

Also how come the theory of the Humors dosen't get any play any more? Doubtlessly scientists are just suppressing dissent about that. And don't even get my started about this whole heliocentric scam they are running.

@Andreyich Yes, youtubers make money. People need money to live. This notion they only do it for money (and that equals bad) is absurd, because most of them don't make as much money. (especially now.) It's harder than most think, you DO need some kind of passion or drive for most kinds of jobs. Just because a desk job sucks, doesn't mean musicians, artists and writers and the like. Don't deserve to get paid...

And if you really try to say the best advancements and quality products in the world weren't made to make profit. You're wrong. Moving on, to you finding it amusing that a human is paid by other human beings because they desired to...how the free market is suppose to work.

It doesn't matter what's on the test. It doesn't do a good job in testing smartness, ignoring that it doesn't factor a wide variety of things, especially isn't useful in the long term, because you can improve them. And stress when you take it, highly effects the scores...and you can't tell me poverty won't lead to that stress. You're telling me 'why is there a difference?' but are you kidding me? The environmental differences between entire countries are ridiculous. And the part 2 videos, last point is. Races are mixing more than ever and the culture now has vastly changed from when the test started in the first place. So it's becoming more and more of a non-importance. And it also highlighted that even "trying to prove genetics on intelligence" isn't just an innocent means for truth, but it almost always leads to people behaving prejudice and thinking others join this "we're better than you" mentality which is straight up unhealthy social behavior. It gets into straight up intellectual dishonesty.

you really don't have a choice ;)

Aw that's cute. The self-professed mind slave is condescending to me. How droll.

Yes, youtubers make money. People need money to live. This notion they only do it for money (and that equals bad) is absurd, because most of them don't make as much money.

They want to though.

It's harder than most think, you DO need some kind of passion or drive for most kinds of jobs. Just because a desk job sucks, doesn't mean musicians, artists and writers and the like. Don't deserve to get paid...

Or you know, just a little greed.

And if you really try to say the best advancements and quality products in the world weren't made to make profit. You're wrong. Moving on, to you finding it amusing that a human is paid by other human beings because they desired to...how the free market is suppose to work.

True, but a lot of sub-par ones were made too. I also don't know how the fuck we got on the subject of a free market but w/e.

It doesn't matter what's on the test. It doesn't do a good job in testing smartness, ignoring that it doesn't factor a wide variety of things, especially isn't useful in the long term, because you can improve them.

By very little, and yes it does.

And stress when you take it, highly effects the scores...and you can't tell me poverty won't lead to that stress.

There's a billion things to modify the scores, but not significantly. Anyway most know variables i.e. this are accounted for.

The environmental differences between entire countries are ridiculous.

Yes but the point is that these tests are designed to consider intelligence no matter the environment, merely your true 'peak' intelligence.

And the part 2 videos, last point is. Races are mixing more than ever and the culture now has vastly changed from when the test started in the first place.

That's wrong, quite simply. From the moors mass rapes to the Conquistadors fucking even vaguely shaped like a woman there were a lot of times when race mixing was quite a bit bigger. And even then, so what? The lines are being blurred, and this only adds to my point since France, has progressively fallen in average IQ score as more blacks are brought in and born despite having excellent environment. Another good thing to look into is twin studies. In these, twins are isolated and adopted by wholly different families. They tend to show similar traits and IQ scores despite wholly different environments from economic to social conditions.

So it's becoming more and more of a non-importance.

Not really, since nationalism has undergone a recent revival in many places.

And it also highlighted that even "trying to prove genetics on intelligence" isn't just an innocent means for truth, but it almost always leads to people behaving prejudice and thinking others join this "we're better than you" mentality which is straight up unhealthy social behavior.

Maybe that isn't good in America which has a lot of """diversity""" but having such a mindset in Europe is quite handy, since this helps preserve institutions that are uniquely European. I sure as hell would love it for my country to finally kick out all the Chinese flooding in.

It gets into straight up intellectual dishonesty.

Wew

Aw that's cute. The self-professed mind slave is condescending to me. How droll.

I'm glad you think so!

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I'm glad you think so!

Are thetin levels part of my biochemistry?

Are thetin levels part of my biochemistry?

Yep, the inevitable and predictable firing of neurons and other such biological processes. Stimulus, response.