[OOC] Yami and Doc vs Cruallassar and Lunar

[Doc Doctor]

@Cruallassar
You never mentioned how far you were, so its a bit late to add in more details. Such is why specifics such as attacking with the left or right arm are important too.

Of course I figured that safe range was a moot point, since all he needs to do to escape an explosion is shadow away, which you mentioned he'd do the moment he loosed the arrows. The reason provided for him distancing himself is negligible.

Basically, there's no logical justification in just now mentioning that Crual is out of the monster's extended range. Otherwise I could potentially claim something like the tunnel they are in being only as long as the monster's reach, since it was indeed made by me to accomodate the creature with no exact specifications given.

[Cruallassar]

I did however mention that he had set the distance to precisely time the arrow effects going off though, and it has previously taken at least a few feet for them to activate. In addition, since Cruallassar has tried on most previous occasions to stay out of Shashous's reach, there is no reason to believe he would get that close now, even with the extra few feet provided by the net.

However, that is a secondary point. I still need clarification on exactly what happened, within reach or not.

[Doc Doctor]

@Cruallassar
He would indeed be more than a few feet away and out of Shash's normal range, hence the use of the net flail. But keep in mind that on two occasions he had gotten within the monster's striking distance. He varied his approaches and gave no indicator that from henceforth he'd not even get close to it.

And it lashed its tail forwards and up after dragging the snapping portion, like how a bull whip is cracked by a beginner. Here's how it looks.

From this...


To this.


Here is a scene from a horror movie that includes a very similar trick. I can't provide the vid link on mobile, but just click and watch the video at the top of the results, "Very mutated man..."

https://www.google.com/search?q=beginner+whip+cracking&oq=beginner+whip+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.4490j0j4&client=ms-android-metropcs-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#q=slither+very+mutated+man+spills

[Cruallassar]

Um...I'm not certain most of that last post applies, Doc. I say left side because Cruallassar, preferring to shoot right handed, would turn his left side forward towards his target. His bow hand, head, and draw hand would form a direct line between him and the target, and since your attack is coming from that intended target, his arm would indeed shield his face.
Furthermore, after my earlier post...the first time I tried to shoot these arrows, since I've done that in three posts now...you said that your tail, with the net to make your whip attack, was still snaking across the ground in preparation for the attack, not actually making it. In fact, in your own words, "At the same time its tail darted along the ground towards Crual, though judging by the distance it wouldn't reach its target in fast enough to get close before the arrows came." There is too much time between you throwing the rock and my making the attack, unless you're trying to retcon your own posts, to strike in such a manner that you can disrupt my shot, made nearly instantaneously after appearing, which is as your thrown rock passes through the space of my head. Especially since doing so is basically akin to me making a counter post that says that Cruallassar is not so foolish a Ranger as to come within striking distance of you needlessly...which is true...and thus being far enough away to avoid your attack without even knowing it was there.
Finally, with regard to the damage you believe should be done, it doesn't matter what kind of monster is at the other end of the rope/tail. The fact that there is a lot of muscle is the only relevant fact, and the absolute most damage I can see it doing is crushing a few ribs, and that is only if A: there is a substantial, massy, and solid enough block of rock on the other end to have such an effect, which I doubt, and B: assuming they are on a direct enough path straight towards my center of mass, otherwise they would glance off the sides of my body doing lesser damage, if not missing entirely. The entire target of that is about four inches across. Now, I assume that Shashous has a great enough control of his body to be able to accomplish B except that due to the imprecise nature of Cruallassar's ethereal shifting and the change made from the rock's appearance, it is entirely possible that his location could be displaced by four inches horizontally in either direction, throwing off any aim you make before he actually appears. In addition, since you did not specify A, which would require chunks of rock at least as big as a softball-probably bigger-then I make the most realistic assumption, which happens to be in my favor. Specifically, that since my net was in fact only glued to the rock and not embedded into it, that only shards and smaller chunks of rock that were attached to it would come away, and not the massive hunks of rock that you would find if you pulled out something embedded six inches into the solid rock. This leads to the conclusion that I reached in my post.

[Doc Doctor]

@Cruallassar
Regardless of his aiming stance, an uppercut is an uppercut. Nothing is under his jaw and the rocks aren't coming from the left.
Crual's flank is to the attack, but he is still looking forwards with the bottom of his chin unguarded. Yes, yes it is unguarded. Nothing at all is beneath it, having his arm reaching forwards means only that his arm will get nailed too. Note how the chin of the man in the following picture is not protected from below. Very easily struck by a jumble of stones strung together. Hell, look, it might even hit the shafts of his arrows and soil his aim, or perhaps make the sensitive explosive one blow up. In fact, that's a good add on. Let's include that.



If you'll pay more attention to the earlier movements the rock was initially thrown so that when Crual appeared it would end up inside his head, meaning it was chucked long before he materialized. The tail attack was in progress too, and I implied that it was going to be an attack rather than outright stated to prevent metagaming. The swing would come in a timely manner as Crual materialized, after the rock was already thrown, but the tail had already been on its way to coincide with the distraction. The tail wouldn't reach in time because it lacked reach, which the improv rock whip made up for. It was a trick, you see.

I have not in the least contradicted myself, just read my posts more carefully.

The size of the rocks depends on how much stone one could jerk out with a cable that can withstand a quarter ton of force. I'm no scientist, but my first description of them was "chunks". A very loose definition, but keep in mind how when Shash attacked, I said, and I repeat, that there was enough force to clobber Crual. That's my descriptive intent on the force put into the attack, and is the final weigh in. Telling me I'm wrong about saying an attack my character made was less powerful than I claimed it to be in light of past feats is powerplaying. The rocks could be the size of marbles for all I care (they are likely bigger), but they do in fact have "clobbering" power. I don't say that Crual should suck at archery because a realistic bow takes a good moment to reach full draw, because you already made it obvious that it is in his capacity to fire off shots like how Bruce Lee fires off punches. Shash's tail is crazy strong, just like the rest of his body, and that does matter.

Him being potentially displaced by four inches is irrelevant because its a big "what if" variable, and there is in fact a fat wad of vaguely sized rocks cascading up his body, under his chin, under his arm, and likely upon those deadly arrows. Doesn't take perfect accuracy with those odds.

[Cruallassar]

Hmm...
After some very careful reading of your posts...all of which occur within the timespan of any single one of mine, making it difficult...and once again trying to model the relative movements of your little rock web and the action of firing a bow...I'm still not quite sure what to think about the first two points, though I will concede their validity. What an uppercut is is irrelevant regarding whether or not it hits my face, and if in fact it reaches me in the instant after I finish materializing, my face would in fact be mostly protected due to the act of drawing the bow, which means my right arm is in fact in the way of your rocks and protecting my face. And since it would be the part of my right arm that does in fact have armor that would be blocking that, it would still have the same effect as what I posted...cuts and abrasions along the left...I repeat, LEFT, because despite your attack not coming from the left in regard to the tunnel, MY left side is the side facing you and exposed to danger...side of my body. However if your attack hits in the last moments of my pulling the arrows back, the moments in which my face is in fact exposed, then not only are you microseconds away from me firing the bow and it is a pretty good chance that I'll get the shot off before you hit, but it doesn't actually matter because your rocks do not hit my aiming arm first to knock off his aim until after he is likely to have already released the shot from the fact that he is being hit by a number of rocks and is suddenly surprised and in pain, rather than planning. However, no scenario there includes the possibility of the explosive head of the explosive arrow, which is a yard in front of my face, getting hit or impeded in any way. I would guess you are going to go for the probability that doesn't bear the near certainty of your death, though it has less effect on me, but I will leave that up to you...or some neutral party, since as I said, I am not sure what to think.

Now, as for the last point, there I don't see where you have a case. Yes, you described the rocks as chunks, and yes, you said clobbered. Both of these are vague descriptions, and both are met with the most I made. Clobbered certainly includes cuts, scrapes, bruises, abrasions, and pain from being hit very hard. And no, I am not denying Shashous's ability to throw them at me very fast. However the only factor really here that does matter is how large those chunks of rock are. If I permanently stuck a rope to a wall, then pulled with infinite strength, the paint would come off the wall...not the sheetrock underneath. Basalt is a very hard rock to be sure...but this also means it is very brittle, and the way it is formed means that it comes up in layers. (I did the research) Fractured shards and jagged chunks of rock would certainly come off a basalt wall...but they would be no bigger than a softball, the minimum size required to do any more damage than I stated. The most you could hope for is some lacerations thrown in there with the rest of the descriptive terms I used, or maybe a fractured rib or two, which again, certainly coincides with your word "clobber". But it is physically impossible for more without substantial size to the projectile, or far more significant mass...like lead or gold, not stone. The maximum effect you could achieve is depriving me of my use of my left arm for the most part due to sliced and shredded muscle, or slicing my face, however by the time it hits my arm I doubt it will carry enough force to do that after having already expended its initial impact on my torso, and something similar goes for my face, though I have no doubt it would still be painful. I don't question your monster's physical ability...I question that of the tool it uses, which is an adapted one from my character, with pieces of the neutral environment thrown in.

Also, really your creature's speed matters more than his strength in this case...I can spin a knotted rope around my head as fast as I can, and someone ten times stronger can do the same, but it won't matter because as long as we can swing it then it is the speed of the swinging that has an effect.

And finally...you also wouldn't have a case in saying he sucks at archery, because there is no such thing as a bow that requires a certain amount of time to draw. Again, what matters is the person wielding it.

[Doc Doctor]

@Cruallassar

One the first point: Drawing the bow protects your chin, not your face. I've not once mentioned it hitting Crual's face, I've just been going on and on about how the rocks would strike his chin. I already acknowledged that Crual's left side was facing the attack, his chin and bow and arm are still vulnerable.

On the second point: You said that crual materialized all ready to fire. So naturally that would be exactly when he gets hit, thus ruining said firing and commencing the clobberfest. Or the boomfest, taking into account the explosive arrow. I know you don't think the monster has good timing, but it does. It is a monster with lots of patience, lots of brains, and a fuck ton of reflexes. Right now both characters are in a life or death coin flip, but the big deciding factor is how Shash, so to speak, rigged the game. It planned everything as it went along, and Crual did what it wanted him to do. He fell into its trap in the position and place it expected him to be, and its all lined up just how it had wanted. This is the most practical chance that any pure melee fighter could possibly have to defeat Crual, all things considered. It's pretty much perfect.

One the third: Even if they were half the size of a softball, that's still a very nasty thing to get clocked by. Let's say that, for arguments sake, they are far smaller than softballs. The size of golf balls, perhaps. If a big fella tied a three foot cord around a golf ball and whacked you in the head, it would fuck you up. Now imagine that golf ball is made of rock. And there are multiple rocks, each one tied to a long rope. That rope is being swung by the twelve foot long tail of a five-hundred pound elder horror that is indeed crazy fast and outrageously strong. And if someone ten times stronger than you who has the same speed swings a weapon, it /will/ hit much, much harder. They have superior follow through, and that's not even accounting for weight, or if they are a monster or not.

Lastly: I'm not trying to make a case that Crual sucks at archery. I'm saying that to make a point. You just got finished saying that you don't doubt Shash's physical power but his weapon is what ruins the gig, and then right after that you do a face/heel and say that what truly matters is the person wielding the weapon. It may be a crude weapon, but is a weapon nonetheless and one that I say the monster can use with the utmost proficiency. For emphasis...

"I don't question your monster's physical ability...I question that of the tool it uses, which is an adapted one from my character, with pieces of the neutral environment thrown in."

"And finally...you also wouldn't have a case in saying he sucks at archery, because there is no such thing as a bow that requires a certain amount of time to draw. Again, what matters is the person wielding it."

Now that is a real contradiction.

[Cruallassar]

Then everywhere I said face, substitute chin. I predicted an equal chance of hitting the face as hitting the chin, but no matter.

Technically I said he had the arrows nocked, which basically is ready to fire...just not with the bow drawn. I've been trying to keep him from using his ethereal shift as a "stay in ethereal form releasing arrows from wherever faster than you can possibly do anything to him". Otherwise there is no way this attack would hit, with a 10X speed boost he would only need to be there for the bare minimum amount of time to release the arrow, and he can be gone before it even finishes leaving the bow...way out of even Shashous's ability to hit him in, prediction or not. But as I said...he isn't doing that. He materialized with the arrows nocked, but not yet drawn, meaning that his fa...chin would be protected, though his bow would be hit harder. But I'm not real worried about the bow getting stolen or damaged here. And yes, I acknowledge that Shashous rigged it...though when Cruallassar is acting on the spur-of-the-moment, he tends to charge into these sorts of things anyway if he thinks he can get away with it, and due to his speed and other abilities, he generally succeeds. You will note that I'm not pointing out the amazing improbability that Shashous would be able to predict precisely when and where Cruallassar would materialize, and that the only reason you are actually getting away with this much is because I failed to specify where Cruallassar was in relation to him...a very faint thread to rest a plan on. And really...there are other ways a melee fighter could do it, but Shashous has the advantage of not being humanoid...which brings in a high factor of uncertainty. With another person, Cruallassar would have long since closed to melee range and would be easily capable of predicting his every move.

And actually...once again, if a person much bigger than me tied a golf ball to a string and slung it around and whacked me in the head with it, it would do exactly the same amount of damage as if a smaller person did the exact same thing, if he could swing it at the same speed. F=MA, remember? The ball is tied to a string, which means that the mass of the person swinging it is completely irrelevant, only the mass of the golf ball matters, plus the speed to which the person can swing it. That, plus the amount of area and string they have to swing it with, because that directly affects being able to swing it without it being impeded by the environment, and how fast it swings. Now, in this case you are not swinging it in a circle, you are snapping it like a whip, which yes, would indeed be quite painful. It would also be able to be done in a long passageway, and it would matter far less the length of the rope and tail snapping it, only the momentum it can reach. Your strength ensures that it can reach the maximum momentum your speed will allow, and your speed allows that to be fairly high. And that would produce precisely the effect I stated. Painful, maiming...but not lethal, and probably not able to seriously impede his fighting ability as long as he can fight through the pain and stop the blood loss before it is critical.

And yes, I know you were trying to make a point, and not say my character sucked at archery. I just saw that point as inaccurate in that particular instance. And no, I actually didn't contradict myself. Both of what I said were very situational, and must be taken in context. If Cruallassar were to try to perform the same feats with a kiddy bow, the bow would snap in half. That would be a failing of the weapon. However if the bow is sufficient for the purpose, then all that matters is the wielder...Cruallassar's bow is strong and durable, able to be drawn to a full length, and able to withstand its own draw weight. Therefore, the only limit on how fast that can happen is the wielder, Cruallassar's, strength and speed. In this case, I have no doubt that Shashous can do it...but he is using the equivalent of Cruallassar wielding a stick instead of a sword. Cruallassar can hurt you with a stick, no doubt and he could probably kill people with the upmost of proficiency with that stick...but he can't stab you with it. Just the same, you can't crush my bones or eviscerate my internals with your upgraded cat-o-eight-tails. What you can do is cause me some serious pain.

[Doc Doctor]

@Cruallassar

In your post you said the arrows were "knocked and ready" followed by Crual loosing them. Nothing about drawing it back. Methinks Crual was looking for another cheap hit and run. His brains have a high chance of decorating the lair walls, given just how nicely placed the shaft of the explosive arrow is. Even if he's about to fire, he'd still blow up. But disregarding that...

I've already shown why his chin is not protected. Nothing is below it, it is exposed from the front.

Shash is above all else, a genius fighter. It has well over a thousand years of combat experience. I know that Crual is ten times faster and all, but his ability was already figured out by the monster. It used prediction to checkmate him.

I honestly have no idea how you can in all seriousness say "the only reason you are actually getting away with this much..."

Crual hasn't endured any sort of even remotely debilitating injury and has hardly been in any sort of risky situation because of his easy escape power and all seeing eyes.

Now that a way to actually nail him has been revealed, all of a sudden the many circumstances I had planned are now in your favor? Like how his arm is somehow protecting his chin in some unreal way, how his arrows suddenly weren't knocked and in danger of exploding, how he might just materialize four inches in a nice direction, or perhaps how your image of an absolute clobbering is more accurate that mine, and trumps my intent because you can freely manipulate my character's might?...

Not only that, but you intend for him to not only get away with a kill, but also wounds that both you and I know for a fact won't at all hinder him during the rest of the fight. The cracked ribs hurt, he winces in agony but still manages to barely dodge the homing missile shadow spell barrage with ease. I know how these things play out.

You realise that resistance plays a part in physics? A little something called Newton's law? I surely don't have to mention how strength plays a part in that. After all, I just did in my last post. But you are entirely ignoring how Shash is wicked fast as well as strong. It is possible to knock an elf's block off with a bundle of golf ball rocks, and who better to do it than a monster that can jerk mortal arms off with the very appendage it is using to cream said elf. Of course I expect to hear more about how Shash swings like a girl and could never hope to knock something far smaller than it out.

Yes, its a bunch of rocks stuck to a superweb. Shash is just that strong. Know how fast the tail end of a whip cracks at? The improv cat o flail isn't quite that fast, but its awful close.

[Cruallassar]

...ok, now I just don't know what you are talking about here. I am well aware that your monster is a genius fighter, you've said so repeatedly. But it would take a supercomputer to be able to accurately predict exactly where Cruallassar was going to appear before he is detectable. I've been going with it though, because you've shown yourself able to "see" the shadows he is when in ethereal form, so that gives you time to react and make your predictions more accurate.

And it is pretty easy to say that, though the terminology is changeable. As I said, the only reason your plan is working is because I failed to specify that Cruallassar appeared at a logical and reasonable distance. Though perhaps it would be more fair to say the only reason that Shashous is getting away with it...since what you are doing makes sense. Ish.

You assume Cruallassar has only fought physical enemies at Shashous's level before. That escape power doesn't work against magic. Unless you refer to this battle alone, in which case it seems to me that when you hit those all-seeing eyes with poison it was a risky situation.

In my favor? Unreal way? You forget, Cruallassar was planning this encounter as well, not all the circumstances are in your favor. Even if he was playing into your trap, a trap Cruallassar easily saw and went into anyway because that is what he would do, then it still stands to reason that not every circumstance is in your favor. Which it isn't...the fact that you are in a tunnel inhibits you far more than me, though it gives you the weapon you need. There is no unreal way about how his arm is protecting his chin if he is in the process of drawing the bow, the only point at which it is fully exposed from the bottom...bottom, not front...is when the bow is fully pulled back. The arrows aren't in danger of exploding unless he drops them, because the heads aren't in the path of the rocks that are flying at his chin. My vision of an absolute clobbering is malleable, since an absolute clobbering is not a concrete term...clobber just means to hit hard, and everything I've said fits that definition perfectly. I can't manipulate your character's might, it just doesn't play a factor here.

Now of course, you are correct in what I hope him to get away with...I was hoping to be fighting miss shadows a while ago, yet I'm still fighting the monster that refuses to just die already. However, you are mistaken to assume that injuries sustained here will have no bearing on the rest of the fight, if it lasts as long as it has without his giving himself some medical attention he is likely to bleed out, cracked ribs will throw him off and impair his speed, etc.

As soon as your character has enough strength to overcome resistance, strength becomes a nonissue. Your character is strong enough. Any excess in strength is irrelevant. His speed is the factor. And yes, I've already acknowledged that he is insanely fast, which is why he is able to hit me before I release the arrows...even though according to you, he is shooting the arrows at the exact same time as he gets hit by your whip, which STILL means you basically die. I don't doubt his tail is strong. I don't say he swings like a little girl. I say he is swinging a very deadly weapon in confined space and doing as much damage as that weapon can do under the circumstances. Which isn't deadly. You seem to expect that getting clocked on the chin with one of your golf-ball sized rocks will knock Cruallassar out. I find that ridiculous. Even it if can reach his chin...which I still doubt, but I can't argue with until I have a picture of him to show WHY I doubt it...a hit on the chin isn't likely to knock him out. Daze him perhaps, but despite what movies say, punches on the jaw don't generally knock out people. That is, again, something entirely out of Shashous's control.

And again, you use strength to say he can do something that requires speed. And yet, you fail to realize that if indeed Shashous hit Cruallassar in the manner and at the moment you say, Cruallassar is just that fast and able to shoot the arrows, either before or as he is getting hit. In fact, even if he does somehow knock the shafts, they will still get propelled forwards in some manner, and since Shashous is only fifteen feet away he is certain to get hit...especially since the other two arrows will still activate and do damage to something in front of them whether they are shot very well or not.

To basically say how what you think should happen would turn out...

Cruallassar: Swooshing in. | Gets to point he is materializing.| Materializes behind rock.| Releases pre-drawn arrows.
Shashous: Throws rock and lunges with tail.| Still lunging. | Flicks tail and net up. | Hits him with rocknet.

Instead of as I had envisioned it...which gives you the better chance, AND you are altering my definition as much as I'm altering yours, but I can deal with that for the more positive result...that is adding the action of drawing the arrows between materialization and release, which means you would hit me as they are being drawn.
But instead, the events occur at the same time, which mean they both happen. Your target was the man, not the bow to throw off his aim. You were hoping that getting hit would throw him off, but that only matters if there is time between getting hit and shooting. But if the arrows are predrawn, Cruallassar's shot takes literally no time...he just has to release the shot, which he can do the instant he is physical. Which ABSOLUTELY MUST BE before he can get hit by the rock net, since that can only happen AFTER he already is physical, and after the arrows have been fired. You say your character is just that strong...which I acknowledge, and say that he is also just that fast and smart and whatnot, since that is what matters more...but my character is just that fast as well. You are absolutely right in saying I hope to get off with a kill and non-major injuries...what else would I hope for, and how else is this supposed to end?

[Doc Doctor]

Luckily Crual was able to blink in time to avoid the poison. You know I play another character called Zande who spits venom, and out of the dozens or so fights I've had with him, every single person saw the surprise poison attack coming, despite it being a surprise and all, whether by "luck" or just reflex. It didn't hinder him in the slightest.

The escape power does work against magic. Crual dodged the other vampire's spells with ease. They can hurt him, yes, but he is still agile and quick enough to avoid them. It's about as much a weakness as saying a human is weak to a bitch slap. Great, but you can always avoid the person trying to slap you and play it off as skill. Plus, you mentioned that it takes a certain kind of magic to hit him. Etheral, not physical spells. Screw elementals. Oh, how very daring.

If the arrow shafts are struck hard enough, the transferred shock could detonate the explosive head.

You seem to think it's a privilege for Shash to have lived this long. I think it's the opposite. He's been getting by through sheer wit and skill, as opposed to just vanish/fire repeat, vanish/fire repeat, vanish/fire repeat. He lost an entire arm, and when you only have three limbs, that equals a true disadvantage.

I gave my definition of clobber in the initial action. I said it would be strong enough to "put him out of his senses" and "stun" him long enough for the monster to haul him in for a kill. That's my original intent, and that is how strong the attack is. Plus I mentioned that in the least it would also ruin his aim because you know, it's pretty hard to get a clean shot when getting whomped in the arm, bow, and arrows before takeoff. Yes, the bow would get hit too, I mentioned it would in the initial action. Intent and actual description, as opposed to you trying to undermine my actions with details that haven't even been referenced to exist. Details such as Crual's varying arm location (seems to change a lot?), whether his arrows are knocked or not, if he appears four inches in some random direction and how that reduces the chances of him dying to zero, ect, ect, ect. Those are not factors because you did not even remotely include them, and its too late now to start trying to change everything to fit your idea of what happened. You still obviously haven't read anything that I've written so far. How many times must I say it? The tail attack was in progress before Crual appeared, and when he did it would land as he appeared which is also the instant he intended to fire. But the tail had been obviously meant to interrupt Crual. That was the intent. The intent was to interrupt Crual. I implied, through that action, that Shash is capable of doing that and such would be the course of action if not reacted to in time, which of course Crual couldn't do as he was distracted.

Must I bring in Mojo Jojo to get my meaning across?


It does not matter at all what you try to make of it. I made my post with the intent of having the tail whip whomp Crual in time and ruin his shot. I didn't type that maybe it would not land fast enough or that perhaps there was a chance for it to self fail. I typed what I meant to type, and my meaning will not be twisted by nitpicking. Inventing all these little scenarios where it doesn't work means nothing, because I already made it clear what I had wanted to occur and Crual was unable to react to stop it. Now you are only trying to look and exploit all the little nooks and crannies, grasping for handholds.

And yes, it did aim for the bow too. Go back and read my post. Here's a snippet.
"And even if that didn't occur, of all things, there was always the consolation prize which the beast had set its mind on attaining. The ranger's bow."

And of course the bowstring and arrows are near Crual's chin, so I need not say more.

It does not matter for the umpteenth time how fast Crual is or how cheap his insta attacks are. Shash timed it so he'd be hit as he appeared, right as he was going to fire so that it would blow him up or utterly ruin his aim. My version of the events would be...

Shash throws rock and begins tail attack / Crual appears, avoids rock and doesn't see tail / Crual tries to fire instantly as he appears, but gets blindsided by the tail attack which had been already in progress and the timing is entirely, completely, factually, intentionally, absolutely, accurate because that's just how timely and fast it is because the intend that was written was for it to be capable of doing such / Elf blows up, or gets knocked silly and torn apart.

Yeah, Crual's fast but that won't help him if he gets sundered the moment he appears. I know that you can spend all day saying that since he fires the arrows right as he appears, there is no way to stop them because its all instant. I say the tail hits him right as he appears instantly and throws off his aim, and I can spend all day saying that too. Oh, and how can you say with a straight face that having the shafts of your knocked arrows pummeled won't ruin the aim? It's common sense that it will.

And I wonder, can't Crual just beat anybody by phasing next to them and insta-firing the arrow barrage? or just phase all around them barraging left and right because he can lock and load whilst ethereal? I don't even think he is even remotely low tier. If he had been against virtually any other low tier character, I don't believe they'd have a chance. This all strikes me as a mismatch. Just a good thing it's yours truly taking the heat rather than some other poor sap who uses a physical character.

Anyways, if neither of us budges it is an impasse.

[Cruallassar]

I'm tired of coming up with more and more good arguments and nitpicking words and whatnot, so I'm just going to say that in most of those first points there, you obviously didn't read my posts well enough to tell what I did...(for example, he didn't actually dodge the shadow attack, he used your wing as a shield, then no one bothered to pay any additional attention to it after that)...or are trying to make points that are ridiculous in some of them, (such as that arrow detonation if the shafts are struck hard enough...the shafts would break before that happened.) or aren't paying attention to reality, (That blink reflex is in fact a reflex unless your reflexes aren't very good. That is why I suddenly put my hand up to someone's face and they blink. So the fact that everyone can do it makes perfect sense.) or on certain points, might actually have a point. I find your accusation that Cruallassar is overpowered because he can just blink in and out of reality shooting his prenocked and drawn bow ludicrous, because I SPECIFICALLY said, "I've been trying to keep him from using his ethereal shift as a "stay in ethereal form releasing arrows from wherever faster than you can possibly do anything to him". Otherwise there is no way this attack would hit, with a 10X speed boost he would only need to be there for the bare minimum amount of time to release the arrow, and he can be gone before it even finishes leaving the bow...way out of even Shashous's ability to hit him in, prediction or not. But as I said...he isn't doing that." It's YOU who wanted me to materialize fully ready to fire.

But beyond that, this is basically a battle of I find your character's stated abilities to be insufficient for the utterly super....well, I can't really say superhuman, because neither of us are human, and I can't say supernatural because both of us are, but super something...feat of predicting to the very inch the precise location and position of a person he can barely see, which in and of itself is an illogical position made reality only by the fact that YOU get to say where I am because I failed to specify with sufficient clarity. Now of course I can't say what you can or can't do, because he is your character, so I haven't been. But it seems to me to be one HELL of a stretch, even farther beyond that of your being able to "see" me without eyes because your senses are good enough to pick up the difference in the ambient temperature of the air due to the darkness of the shadows around me in ethereal form...at night. Not to mention the impossibility of a small shard of rock being able to knock a person unconscious by hitting them on the chin, just because the person who snapped the whip to which the rock is attached happens to be very strong.

You will have noted by now that I haven't addressed most of your points directly. You will also note that I have finally devolved my posts into something vaguely resembling the aggression inherent in your last three or four posts, as opposed to trying to maintain my critically professional approach. This is because I would have to agree that this does seem to be am impasse. I can't do basically what you did because you will say that I am godmodding your character, and yet it appears to me that that is exactly what you are doing. Therefore, I would ask for a few neutral and independent observers to please give their two cents worth here. I'll see if I can find any of my own.

I would also ask if someone could PLEASE either give me or come up with SOME kind of CONCRETE definition of the power levels of characters? If there isn't one then I would be more than happy to just come up with it myself, because the need is definitely there.

[neogreggory]

ARGHHHH---

Oh sorry don't mind me. Just reading blank words on top of dull colors murders my capacity for thought after awhile. Haven't even read half the arguments on this bloody thing either.

And I'm very much sorry if I'm intruding, just got directed here by a friend and I think I see why. Sadly I can't be counted as a neutral party, I'm not very good with the science of things and I have a friend in the situation which makes it hard to be fair either way.

That said, this sounds like a harsh battle, considering the fact that all I've read is a bit of the OOC and the first three or so posts IC. Reason enough for me to make an account and see about trying my luck on this forum. That said... blarg.

Yeah I think Blarg is the best response right now.

[Cruallassar]

Sorry about the grey, Neo. I'm flattered though...

Blarg...

[Doc Doctor]

@Cruallassar
You only tried to use my own argument of not reading posts against me instead of trying to find your own that make sense. You ignored how I said the "shards of rock" (you said shard singular) is moving very, very fast. Not only that, but you clearly haven't read my last response concerning Newton's law. On a separate note, the blink reflex is great but not if you don't see what's coming, which is the general idea behind a surprise attack. Also, I've not been mistaken about the posts. Are there drugs involved here?

You're actually calling my character overpowered in comparison to yours. Doth mine eyes decieve me? Basically you seem to think Shash shouldn't even be able to predict where Crual is well enough to have a chance of winning right after having said you try to keep Crual's power low by not having him simply be invincible. Well, allow me to be the first to thank you for expending effort to not crush us all right off the bat. Hallelujah, hark the angels sing. Thank you so much for giving us a fair chance of winning by not taking serious hits and trying to argue against anything that doesn't fit your image of a great victory.

I know my character's limits are vague. Know why? It's to keep fights about skill rather than who just has more powers. I like matches to be about creativity and practicality.

And yes, you totally have been trying to tell me how strong my character should be ever since it finally found a real opening. I haven't been doing the same to you, and it's no skin off my back if you don't include vital details only to try to insert and make them up later to have things go in your favor. I try to never be the first to make any OOC'ly complaints, which is obvious if you'd scroll back. I said I like to go with the flow. I try to adapt and be reasonable to keep things fair.

Looks though like that ship has sailed.

P.S.
There is literally nothing here to be flattered about.

[Lunarlord34]

*Lurks in corner with popcorn*

[Cruallassar]

Edited out, see last post.

[Doc Doctor]

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[Vordak]

from a truly neutral standpoint, you're both wasting words on pointless jeering - although i fully understand the frustration of you both.

if i may, i would suggest that you stop trying to figure out the 'truth' and who is 'right', and instead, rule out a decision that would, to a certain extent, satisfy you both: such as both characters ending up taking moderate damage. the approach you're taking right now seems like it will never come to fruition.

[Doc Doctor]

Edited out, see last post.