Alfhedil

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I'll be making separate relation lists for Eisenkreis and Kzechverin, seeing as how the latter is largely autonomous even if still under the Hegemony. That being said, once I get around to it, I'll get some things together for the Principality, since they've been independent up until very recently. Basic information, is that they are a republic of nobles, and backwards is not strong enough a word to describe their technological standing.

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So yeah, let's bury whatever imaginary hatchet we have here. Because I don't remember getting into a war with people to begin with.

@Willy Vereb

A good choice to make. Just to be clear, I don't have anything against you as a person, I merely found your actions in ill-taste. That being said, I'm walking away from the prior issue, and hoping that we will both simply see it as a misunderstanding and strive to avoid such things in the future.

Oh, and @Hael since you're pretty close by, I imagine the Principality and your nation would likely be at the very least aware of each other if not openly trading. Kzechverin is sort of a foil to Eisenkreis, in almost every facet, and so they would have likely instigated friendly relations with your nation. Is up to you, however, as Kzechverin only has large amounts of grain and livestock products to their name. I mean, their navy is about three-hundred years behind .-.

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<Snipped quote by Alfhedil>Um, again you don't make the slightest sense.
I kindly continue a discussions and talk about various technology and then you explode at me and try to accuse me for starting arguments?
Seriously, you need to do a self check.

If a little discussion like this demotivates people then that has nothing to do with me.
If you can't take a little critique you'd eventually be burned out of this game anyways.

@Willy Vereb

Ah, the classic "You obviously have problems, so everything you've said makes no sense." argument. It's been awhile since someone attempted that on me. Try reading what I posted again, maybe you'll come to an understanding.

But, I'll do one more for you, and give it to you simply. You're too confrontational with people, and you are starting all of these little conflicts. Having a discussion is fine, but when you center the entire topic around changing someone else's nation/culture into something that lines up with your approval, is starts to slip away from being a conversation. It's not critique either, because there's a difference between honest critique and attempting to deconstruct what other people have made and make into something that you approve of. You can try and put out those same arguments, and get the same reactions, or you can actually listen to what myself and several others have said, and back off. You are the problem here, not us. Kindly adjust your attitude and we can all get along here and write a compelling story. We are not your enemy, and shouldn't be treated as such. Stop treating this like a game.

If you want to be in an RP that is built to be a game, then you need to go one section down into the Tabletop RP section. There I'm sure you will find other people who share your need for realism and to have everything line up like stats on a board. Until then, let's try and get along here in this RP. You're my neighbor in the RP, and it would be a damn shame if I had to put you on ignore because you can't put having fun in an RP before your inflated ego.

Edit: And that's honestly the last I'm going to say on the matter, seeing as how I posted after Volt asked to stop.

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You officially joined my list of RPers I respect, Alfhedil.

@Hael

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<Snipped quote by Hael>What?
I certainly won't be the person you'd find arguing with if you make some midly unbelievable things. I have freakin' elves riding griffins and using a metal which would never exist even by modern world technology.
Did you see me arguing with Voltus_Ventus for his robotic horses? Or that the Avians use little girls with propellers on their legs wielding autocannons that would be nigh-unbearable even with solid footing?
I can mention more but the fact is that I take them as acceptable breaks from reality. This is a fantasy setting even if the time is 1940. I'm the loudest person to repeat it. So your complaint just caught me completely unprepared.
I don't think I did more than just mention some realities during WW2 as an interesting food for thought.
Even then these should't have been overbearing when I only bring them up for a pot or two.
If this alone made you nearly quit then I'm not sure what can I do.
I don't want any arguments and I actively avoided such topics prior.

@Willy Vereb

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post, because as I said, you're just going to start conflict with me over it until you get what you want. This however, is the biggest crock of shit. Are you really surprised that someone else doesn't take kindly to your attitude in the OOC? You start crap with everyone over these little things and have been pushing against the setting since you came in here. Nearly every one of your posts is something about how the technology of the setting isn't true to WW2, or how something doesn't work the way someone says, or just a general push to keep things "realistic". It's more than irritating, it's killing the fun of the RP. You say you don't want arguments, but look above. YOU started that over nothing, when you could have simply taken the original comment as a joke and made your own, we both could have had a laugh and left things to the IC to see how it really developed. Instead you decided that everything had to be "realistic" and challenge me over my own nation's defenses. And for what purpose? What do you really have to gain by trying to shove down my throat all this about a more realistic setting? Is it more fun? Is it really?

No, it's not. All this is doing and driving discontent in the OOC and making people feel wont to discuss their own nation in here for thinking that someone is going to critique their technology or say that something doesn't work the way they want it to. This is a fantasy setting with elves riding griffins into battle. Get down off your high-horse of "realism" and stop trying to make this into some game that can be won. That's really what this comes down to, and as much as I despise to say so, it really feels like you're only provoking these big arguments to get an edge over people.

So how about you kindly stop with starting shit with people and making a big deal out of every little thing. I don't really care what happened in WW2 and what was more effective than what, or just how effective one thing or another was. I'm here to participate in a collaborative story with my fellow players and have a good time. You are ruining this by pushing to make this into some game that can be won.

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<Snipped quote by Mihndar>

Apologies. I will be sure to imagine Alfhedil's entire nation as prepubescent Korean schoolgirls, now.

I am still not afraid.

@Hael

I will pop-culture you until you beg for mercy! Fear the girl-groups of Eisekreis and Hegemon-chan! D:

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I think that post was more PM worthy. Just sayin. *Sips coffee*

@Skepic

Not really. The issue was brought up in the OOC, and I just resolved it OOC. That and it wasn't really that big of a deal. If it was something that I felt was worth taking to PM, I would have taken it to PM ;D

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<Snipped quote by Alfhedil>And how a "ring of iron" is supposed to keep aircrafts away?
They can be paranoiac all they want. It doesn't change the fact that in WW2 there's no such thing as absolute AA defense.

@Willy Vereb

I'm going to keep it simple, because you're inevitably going to challenge me on this again and again until one of us accedes the point.

First and foremost, thing to remember here is that Eisenkreis, and the Hegemony as a whole, does not have either a naval force or an air force. That means that all of that money that your nation and others spend on such things, is instead funneled into the defensive perimeter and the ground forces. I like to think that out of all the nations in the RP, Eisenkreis has the most advanced armor units on the ground and the best funded military, but I don't like to use absolutes in those regards, doing so makes it seem as if other nations are arbitrarily lesser. That's something I prefer to avoid, and so I use more vague terms for my nation than definites, because I don't want to start conflict over something as trivial as what one person has over another. Back to the point at hand, without a naval force or air force, of course it stands to reason that the nation will have better defenses with the expanded budget, and that's something I will get around to detailing out. The "Iron-Ring" as it is referred to, is a name given to the ring of mountains surrounding the states originally comprising the Hegemony, and have been fortified against the outside world. Think of the beaches of Normandy, except completely surrounding the nation and beefed up AA. Can one or two planes get through if they're particularly daring? Possibly, can't say for sure. However, what I will say is that the radar stations in each fort will detect them long before they get into range, and the skies will go black with flakk. Think about it. This is a highly industrialized nation with nothing else to spend their military budget on other than regular advancements to their ground forces. To brave the Iron Ring is suicide at best.

Second, think of the cultural aspect for a moment. The founding moment of the nation was against an outside threat which sought to change them, and since that day, they have lived in paranoia that the same would happen again. Almost the entire core speaks only Eisenkreis, and those who speak both the native language and our equivalent to common, they are the elite nobility and merchants. Out of ~18million people, perhaps a thousand have taken the initiative to grace the other nations of the world with the time to learn their language. This is not only because of fierce national pride, but also because they simply don't want your nations to have a presence in theirs. Even foreigners who have been allowed into the nation are treated as less than second-class citizens, and dignitaries are strongly suggested to remain within the embassies unless under escort. I mean, even Marianna herself was, and still is, discriminated against due to her heritage being that of human/lindai, and she was royalty. To those men and women manning the battlements of the Iron Ring, it's not a matter of just missing one or two aircraft flying over head. It's a failure to their families, to their friends, to their people, and to everything that makes them who they are. This is a society of paranoia taken to zealous extremes, and if the Iron Ring was to ever fall, they would sooner destroy everything than allow a single trace of foreign rule into their country.

You can go ahead and try to quote me all sorts of sources on the effectiveness of AA in WW2, but in the end, you have to realize that we aren't dealing with a scenario in WW2. We are dealing with a fantasy world with non-humans and humans living together, sometimes in harmony and sometimes not, and there are going to be differences between reality and this world. Eisenkreis was a nation born of paranoia and the fear of outside change, and everything they have done has been in the name of preventing that change, and even change as a whole. Invading or even attacking their nation is not going to be as simple as doing so to another nation. They will bring the very skies down upon anyone who tries, and turn the mountains red with blood. Conversely, don't really expect them to come and get you in your nation. Marianna can say the nation is at war with you, but really, until you bring the war to Eisenkreis, nothing will really happen unless Kzechverin puts the man-pants on.

And let's be honest here, what are they really going to do? Kzechverin is the 1400's Poland-Lithuania of the setting, complete with horses and Men-At-Arms. If it wasn't for their nobility and the sheer amount of mans they can raise for an army, they could be rolled over by anyone.

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@Willy Vereb The Iron Ring is more than just a simple defensive perimeter around the core of Eisenkreis, however, in that it is in some places literally a ring of iron meant to keep the world out of Eisenkreis. Flakk batteries line battlements around the border to cover possible gaps, and highly accurate radar stations watch for anything and everything on approach. This is a nation steeped in deep paranoia regarding the rest of the world, and their religion only perpetuates this almost genetic trait. To them, you all seek to conquer them and destroy their heritage, and so that is why they simply cannot waver in their determination. Kzechverin on the other hand, well... Csilla loves visitors and has never been one to turn down a guest. Not to mention that their military only became armed with rifles in the last century, and was still using spear and plate.

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I don't get all this hype about airships and flying things. Shoot it full of holes and it crashes to the ground all the same. None can pass the Iron Ring by air without the Hegemon's permission .-.