Andreyich

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Insofar as destiny can be said to exist, it has -- well not NOTHING to do, but very LITTLE to do with your 'biochemistry.' And if it did, that would be pretty incredibly racist, when you think about it. Is urban crime because of biochemistry or economics? Because we can totally change economics. Is middle eastern terror springing from the Arab biochemistry, or from geopolitics? Because we can do something about the latter.

If it's all written in the DNA and it's destiny and nothing will ever change any of it, well, shit, why not just kill them all, it would be objectively better. Or maybe that's a silly notion.

@mdk

Or you know, just fuck off and let them be so that in ten or so years they don't come with a grudge to your country and start blowing your shit up and shooting you. Westerners don't realize that they are, at least in part responsible for the shit that's going on in MENA.

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So your racism stems from a fear of being beaten on the street?

@Penny

In part.

and once more, racism is prejudice towards, not hate of a race

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I understand that you think that

That's a pretty obnoxious thing to say because the reverse is true too.

but by your own admission your racism derives from your own emotional attachment to your personal racial identity.

No, the latter is a result of the former.

You want to protect green eyed people who's biological ancestors took part in some arbitrary historical events.

That's bait so I'm not going for it.

I get that creating an in group and an other is a fairly typical human response, but it is an emotionally based one.

No it's not, it is first and foremost pragmatic, i.e. making sure I don't get beaten in my own street.

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Even the most well educated people can hold ignorant regressive views. The argument for racism is an emotional one rather than an intellectual one. People that are emotionally invested in a position or outcome will frequently subvert their own intellect.

It's not emotionally driven though, and we've went over this. The other side, or "anti-racists" is actually more driven since it relies on the "muh exceptions" argument and tries to get me to look at pictures of little children to feel bad for them.

Luckily for me I have no soul.

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Interested.

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@Andreyich I was bringing up the irrelevance of his reply to my original topic. I was lol-ing at the swift subject change with no acknowledgement of my actual point.

"You went back on yourself about something you said fairly recently"
Met with:
"You got reported"

You've seen enough debates to know a pivot when you see one.

@Dynamo Frokane

But you also did that out of the blue. Anyways his point was different, it was just to show that things can be taken oddly if out of context and it was given a personal flavour for emphasis. But, I'll let him fight his own shit since he's on.

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Funding Imperialism is bad, and I feel like it probably does matter.

Point went wholly over your head, but yes it does matter; the Imperialists and Capitalists brought better life to people. That's the way of the world.

You don't see anything wrong with the business making the rules for itself?

These are self-imposed rules, separate from business law. Microsoft contradicting it's own rules doesn't mean jack shit, if you think microsoft is evil switch to ubuntu or throw out your computer, fight the system or your point is forfeit.

No, hunter-gatherers literally just did it in their free time.

That's flat out lie and historical inaccuracy, going yet further to show how wrong you are in... everything.

Considering it wasn't capitalism you aren't wrong.

It was in all points but the existence of the word.

Who the hell cares what real communism is? The system we have now ISN'T working for everyone. Also again-- Catalonia.

It's working for me. If you're too lazy/unintelligent/unmotivated/etc. to succeed in capitalism then go make a commune somewhere else. Catalonia also didn't work lol.

Oh, fuck off. I'm not even a communist, I should specify-- just an anti-capitalist, and fairly clearly an anti-statist and it's literally for this reason. Who the hell cares how anyone looks? Society, today, is based on expansion that's not sustainable, and not nearly enough people are living outside of the capitalist systems that encourage wasteful lifestyles in first world and western nations for it not to be a problem.

That's, admittedly a slightly simplified definition of communism, at least left-anarchism. Expansion is sustainable, we have a whole fucking universe, you should turn your head towards the sky for a little. Even if we weren't as expansionist shit is bound to not be enough eventually. Also, once again, without exploitation you are being even more wasteful so you get more and more wrong every syllable.

In a statist system no one can really be considered a hero-- and I think you know it's the sign of a weak argument when you try to oversimplify it like that.

he·ro
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1.
a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.
"a war hero"

Well would you fucking look at that, you're wrong again.

I mean, we are. If want to say you're not, fine. But our lives in one way or another, fuels their crimes. So I mean, you are, lmao.

No I'm not. With a simple boycott of certain things and taking a bit of initiative I can make sure only good causes profit by me.

Well, they are. But if you don't want to address them that's fine lmao. Let me address yours.

Wait so you can ignore mine but Sleeping cannot ignore your's? Wew...

Yes! I pay taxes and it sucks knowing you go to jail if you don't provide financial backing for wars of exploitation, among all the other illegal shit the state conducts. How do you change the system if you're a cog of it, just by working so you don't go hungry?

It's a state. What it does is legal. Stop the hypocrisy.

But the system they operate in does???????

many don't

Ah, focusing on semantics to win an internet argument eh? You might strike the killing blow to anarchists after all.

You know, that is just a little bit ironic. Anyways, anarchists are all lazy, unfit, and unintelligent. They aren't going to topple our societies any time soon.

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Well I wasnt denying it, I'm saying that the person probably knows none of the details and this is irrelevant. You read my implication wrong I'm afraid.

@Dynamo Frokane

What you brought up was potentially of the same nature

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@Andreyich Yeah I got reported, still doesn't make quoting shit flinger any less silly.

But it does, cuz saying "And lol quoting a banned member who has no idea whats in my inbox." implies denial that it did in fact happen.

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And lol quoting a banned member who has no idea whats in my inbox

it did happen tho