You're both cleared to go when the formal RP goes up. If we agree to change the end-date of the Great War and if this means you need to undergo any serious changes then let me know so I can re-review.
The Finns assassinated the Tsar, my friend. Poland could only have been independent for 8 years now, and I doubt the Germans could have had anything to do with it.
I suspect that if this is anything like the last RP, there will be commies up that way by Finland. But maybe I'm overly cautious.
Feo/Shyri and I were talking about the Russian situation on Discord, since he was probing for what he could get away with in Russia. The conclusion met in the end is that since I didn't add any date to the Russian collapse that it's relatively new. Regions like Russian-Poland and other ethnically/culturally dominated regions like Crimea (Tatars) or anywhere in the Caucuses might be more capable of forming what would be described as a nation, on the whole the civil war in Russia is pretty new; which also lends into why I'm erring on the side of caution now on a repeat of the Polish-Ukrainian mess; we can kind of sit down and do it "right".
At the same time, given the Polish situation by the time of the First World War and before with so many other entities wanting to cast their chips into the ring for a Polish nation (if anything, Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Russia wanted a Poland that if it existed would be aligned to them) that Poland would probably be a political dueling ground for national interests, never mind the fears someone might end up loosing territory. So in this situation, Poland may not be strong enough to move on anyone and would be at political odds between German and Austrian interests now.
I'm sure I alluded to the Russian situation as it were beginning sometime during the later side of 1955, so it's up to you guys to find the precise year.
Location: CHYNA (until I full it out, mainland China including Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet, and Mongolia)
History:
The later years of the 19th century were a tough time for the Qing dynasty, who after loosing its influence over Korea to the Japanese, and increasing concessions to western foreigners the ruling Manchurian Aisin Gioro dynasty. Attempts to modernize the Chinese state and army were made in the face of defeats by the Japanese who soon came to eclipse China as the dominant player in the Asian sphere. But with the setting of the old century and the dawning of the next the troubled situation had not changed all that much.
The imperial dynasty of China was forced to abdicate the throne in 1912, ending the Xinhai Revolution and ushering in a period of hopeful political reform. With the Emperor squandered away in the Forbidden City which served as the sole and only refuge of Imperial existence, the rest of the country deteriorated as the promises of the Republic and of Sun Yet Sen's idealism and Yuan Shikai's action began to fall weakly to the growing political influence of warlords, who in betraying Republican virtue acted more in their own political interests and not in those regions of the country they had power in, ultimately leading to the creation of private regional armies and airforces and further weakening the prestige and power of China.
While the situation in China was weak, the effect of the Great War was minimal as the only significant battle to take place on mainland China was the largely Japanese operation to seize the German port of Tsingtao. China's only other contribution to the war effort was for the great powers to steal away with many rural and urban laborers to work as teamsters or in other roles in the European theater. But as the Chinese laborers from the front found their way home, injured or dead there was a growing consensus among the civilian population that the war was not theirs to be a part of. Still, all the same there was little power the Provisional Government had on this front, and most egregious of the inabilities was their unwillingness or ineptitude to see the repatriation of Tsingtao from Japanese military administration to Chinese civil administration.
Either powerless or unwilling, the Republican government could not stop the process of Japan transferring the occupied German outpost into an outpost of the Japanese Empire. By December Fifth of 1919 a student protest occurred at Tiananmen demanding solidarity and strength from the government, but getting none. The inept inaction of the government seeded conciousness within the student population that spread to the merchants, and soon after the center of the movement shifted from the University of Peking to the streets of Shanghai where they organized against the provisional government.
The fruits of the movement was the emergence of the Chinese communist party, and various anarchist movements gaining traction within the Chinese left, to the criticism of the nationalist right of the acting provisional government.
The new left in China attracted the many foreign educated Chinese students, or those who had studied at the westernized schools established after the abolishing of the old Imperial Examinations system.
For a time, the inclusion of the Chinese communist movement was tolerated by the Chinese right, but as the crisis in Europe deepened and the political climate shifted it soon became necessary for the right to isolate and expel the Communists from mainstream politics. Following Chiang Kai-Shek's northern expedition in 1925 the general forcibly expelled the Communists and the left from the Provisional Government to consolidate power during the course of his northern expedition and as a result civil war quickly erupted in communist insurgency. Following soon after, a hungry Japanese Empire invaded the Chinese mainland to expand its Chinese holdings beyond ownership of Tsingtao and soon took not just the coast of northern Japan but also conquered the last European holdings in China as the end of the war left the European powers to weak to resist, and the ensuing post-war Economic crisis only weakened them further. For the Chinese, the collapse in the international stock market did not inflict heavy damages, with much of the value lost being concentrated in gold-backed currency and not the silver the Chinese monetary system was backed in.
By the late twenties the Chinese communists were driven out of Eastern China by the competing forces of Japan and the Nationalists under Chiang Kai-Shek. By the thirties the Communists re-consolidated in western China. Through the conflict the Communists held firm the Chinese interior fortifying in the mountains and taking in survivors of the Tsarist crackdown on Russian communists who fled from their exile in Siberia for the Chinese frontier to join forces with Chinese forces.
The power and solidarity of the Communist movement was further bolstered by the actions of student revolutionaries in the east who operated in secret sedition against the Nationalists and the Japanese. Headed by students of the University of Hong Kong, the Communist movement in Hong Kong was dominated by the personalities of Hou Tsai Tang and Wen Chu Ming.
The Hong Kong Movement presented a fresh critique on not just the failures of the Nationalist government, the imperialist evils of Japan, and even of the proto-Bolshevism of the oft-forgotten old Communist Party then biding its time in the west. This critique appealed to the broader Chinese diaspora as its papers and pamphlets went out, and much more to a broader international alliance that spurred interest in the movement in the 1930's. By 1933 the Nationalist government – who had come to occupy Hong Kong at that time – concluded that it could no longer tolerate the open sedition and moved to arrest the Tsai Tang and Chu Ming, who avoided capture along with their followers and lead the Nationalist police on a wild chase through western China.
The course of the independent rebellion by the Hong Kong Movement or Society garnered much support and as the group fled from place to place, managing to elude the Nationalist and Japanese governments and attracted many followers of its own who came armed by its side from near and far. Eventually, the gang managed to make its march west towards the relative safety of the Communist frontier where they were brought in by the party. The arrival of Hou Tsai Tang and Wen Chu Ming brought a breath of fresh ideological air and new blood into the movement and through 1934 and 1935 they affected a metamorphosis in the party and the states it controlled culminating in a resurgence of the Communists into the greater Chinese conflict by 1937.
First striking south against the Nationalist forces the army made quick headway against the battle-beaten armies of Chiang Kai-Shek, long disillusioned with their fight against Japan and worn thin by mostly unconsolidated politics within Kuomintang China. The brazen strike against the Nationalist heartland brought considerable attention to the Communist's efficiency and their numbers swelled with the inclusion of the southern tribes of China and international brigades long at odds with the Nationalist government, and between 1938 and 1940 the Communist forces nearly doubled as Chiang Kai-Shek and his men were pushed clean to Nanking.
The surprise resurgence of the Communists further bolstered them, and with permission by the Politburo of the Communist Party of China Wen Chu Ming was permitted to lead an army north against the Japanese, long spread so thin across northern China they were ineffectual to take to the offensive. The multitude of guarded river crossings and valleys presented easy defensive locations Wen Chu Ming overtook as he spear-headed an assault towards Beijing, which had been taken by the Japanese for their puppet Empire of Manchukoku under the formerly deposed Puyi. The weak and ill-trained Manchukoku military and thinned out Japanese masters were quick to fold under the Communist onslaught and Wen Chu Ming swept quickly across Chinese Mongolia and into Manchuria itself in under a year before himself dying on the battlefield.
The death of Wen in the field called to the attentions of the north Hou, who distraught at his friend's death was forced to assume the now sole leadership role of the revolution. Leaving his southern command in the south he went north to consolidate and restore leadership with his own commanders and to finish the campaign.
A surprise attack against Japanese naval forces in Dailan from the streets itself resulted in the defeat of the Japanese navy in northern China in 1942 and the effective surrendering of the fleet to China, though the Communists could not effectively use the navy in the water. Later attacks on Japanese outposts in northern China as the communist forces closed in on and encircled Beijing resulted in the discovery of the Japanese weapons development and chemical and biological research projects of Unit 731 and seizure of their research by Communist forces.
Beijing fell to the Chinese Communists by the first of May, 1943 and soon after the last of the Nationalist forces were defeated in southern China by the following year. By that time the Communists had amassed their military and political strength to hold Mainland China in sole domination. Formal peace negotiations were underway later that year, and by January 2nd, 1944 the Communist Party of China was recognized as being the sole benefactor of victory in China, ending a conflict that had begun with the closing the Great War in Europe.
Tianshan, Hong Kong, and Macau were militarily annexed by the Communists in the handover of power.
In the years following, the new China consolidated its power to liquidate those of potential warlords. In 1949 it mounted an invasion of Tibet to consolidate the “lost province” and rejoin it with the Chinese family. To the north, Mongolia had avoided open conflict through Russian influence and thus became de-facto independent of China as a Russian puppet. But as the situation in Russia grew more tenuous through the 1950's the revolutionary forces in China operated covertly among the Mongolians and with the dissolution of the Russian Empire into mass civil war the Chinese swept up Mongolia and reinstated it as a Chinese province under the nose of Russian warlords.
During the mid-fifties, the government of the New China underwent reforms and Hou disappeared from public life for a brief time after several attempts were made against his life. By the end of the reforms Hou and his government had transferred the economic power of the Chinese state to the regional provinces and communal prefectures, holding many of the more significant – military, transport, electrical, health – holdings as state-run and permitting the division of the ruling single party into three independent factions with their own politburos to decentralize political interests; though his party, the New China Party retained power over the national Politburo and much of Congress.
Other: This is mostly for my own benefit in this app's case
The central government of China can be broken down into three branches, or committees. The legislative committee containing the National Congress which meets to draft and write long-term law, headed by the General Secretariat of the Congress who sets the schedule and is in charge of keeping the minutes of the large elected body. The executive functions of the government is handled through the Zhōngguó gòngchǎndǎng zhōngyāng zhèngzhì jú, or simply: The Politburo, the executive committee headed by the General Secretariat (Hou) setting the agenda of the bi-weekly meetings where consensus is the rule of the day, signing into law legislative laws, sending laws to be accepted by the Congress, or drafting and enacting politburo resolutions. And then there are the National Courts.
Parties: The New China Party – the party of Hou and the Politburo. Because of the close relationship or even members of the National Politburo and Hou serving double on the party Politburo the difference between party and national policy is very blurred at this moment and is very much the same. As is sometimes described, the New China Party often assumes the role of “The Party of Necessity”.
Union Party – Historically rooted in the theory of Anarchism by Emma Goldman and influenced by the acts of the IWW towards Chinese immigrants in the US, it is also a synthesis of the Pure Socialist and the Guangzhou group. In the presence of the NCP the party has declined considerably and even abandoned some anarchist principles to be best described as Libertarian Communist, its biggest stance it continues to hold in regular government is the abandonment of racial and ethnic distinctions which have been so used by the old Communist Party and continued to be used by the NCP as the stance of racial and ethnic equality between all peoples in China. The party has predominant influence in Guangzhou itself and is more a factor in Guangdong than in national politics.
The January Second Movement – Effectively nonexistent in Chinese politics until Hou's later decentralizing reforms the January Second Movement represents more moderate socialist action in China, advocating for the end of autarky or semi-autarky to economically interact openly with the wider world. While sometimes accused of wanting to sponsor European “second-wave colonialism” and the return of special economic zones for the benefit of Europe, the party asserts that it would protect the labor of China in this respect, and that simply outbound economic interaction would better enrich the wealth of the Chinese laborer.
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*Assertively plants a Polish flag next to it*
I'm open to negotiations with my fellows Austria-Hungary and Germany on the territory, but I didn't infringe on any of their prior holdings, I think.
I haven't done this in a while, but I think I've got a good general vision of what I want to do differently this time.
nyet to Polish Ukraine fam-a-lam. We're not restarting this to that wild ride right away.
Despite thinking that stretching out WWI to 1929 is a bit silly for various reasons, I do have some interest. Unsure of who would be interesting to play in this scenario, though.
Vilage brought that up privately with me and suggested that 1920 would be better, I sort of ran with the original "le war lasted eleven years longer" proposal from the Googer days and what we operated on (I thought) through old-PoW. I suggested perhaps 1925 would be an alternative because this is PoW and the fucking real world got PoW beat right about now. I also suggested he should post it in the thread for public consideration before I post the actual thread but he never did.
So now that the topic is brought up, here's me putting it out there so we can all discuss it before any serious app-writing is done.
As a consideration too, in some ways any revolution that occurred after (particularly China) could be seen in some ways as an aspect of the original war that stretched out longer into some great long period of war as a result of the Fucked Up War.
Edit: Or is Democratic Confederalism sufficiently different from Syndicalism? I seem to recall Rojava having a federal structure elected from bottom-up...
Rojava's in open revolution. If not to simply maintain its territories against enemies at open war with it then its goals is to at least turn Syria 180 degrees from Assad. But it's only got two real options, it's not like it's going to invade Turkey. Hell, if anything it'll leave the Turkish Kurds to their own decisions once the PKK members serving in Rojava now go home with more battle experience and a rallying cry for their own communities; assuming Rojava survives.
But in cases like the Ukrainian Free Territory, Revolutionary Catalonia, or even the EZLN the name of the game isn't so much to exert ideological power against someone else but to protect what they got from someone else. Historically speaking, the primitive socialism practiced by much of the world before feudalism or even modern capitalism wasn't as organized as the feudal monarch or the corporation to go on the offensive. From a tankie perspective, this is why figures like Lenin are good because they embody enough state centralization to organize resources to go on the counter offensive, where as figures like Makhno may be looked at as the romantic cause that got lost; incapable of seizing extra-territorial power due to the decentralized nature of the commune.
I want posts before I hand out Discord information. Since as I told Vilage while waiting for my post-class lunch: I don't want people hanging out on Discord and blowing all their imagination on organizing their position in relation to others, so when it comes time for launch all incentive to do a thing is gone.
So once you nig-nogs start putting out IC posts you'll be invited into the inner sanctum. But I want the thread to be used too, at least so there's conditions under which it can be bumped legitimately.
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