Dinh AaronMk

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Yo I'm in Puerto Rico right now and this mofo got rekt by a hurricane as you may have heard. Don't know when I'll be back. BRB gonna eat MRE and be miserable.

PS who is germany and is it in good hands

@Pepperm1nts

Shyri/Feo has Deutschland

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You said that the situation would start to happen in 1955, if I read correctly, I was just rolling with that. I didn't really understand, though, I figured it would have started falling apart immediately and would have went with Ukraine basically being the most ordered bit since it seceded very early on before the chaos really reached its peak.

Edit: Found it.

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@Mihndar

Actually on reviewing where I said it I seem to have made it even more broader, so my bad. From my application I just mentioned it as a process that was in the process by the 1950's.

Given the situation that caused this though, it could hardly be said the czar could be killed by 1950 or 1951; though I'm also speaking of it through the conversation I had with Shyri on how when it comes to Russia I want large quasi-national bodies to be few and far between and the political landscape defined more by more regional polities. So this could also be a point where I might have been missing clarity and before the full thread goes up may call for revision like the end-date of the Great War as pointed earlier, if this is going to be some surreal narrative loop-hole.

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@gorgenmast

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I'd still like to know if I'm actually accepted myself, actually. You suggested some changes to the names, but you didn't really provide a clear answer in the positive or negative~

@Mihndar

Apart from the name situation, my only concern after was the time lapsed between the czar's death and the break down of order in Russia itself and curious how you came to this.

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I won't accept anything where the history is changed prior to World War 1.

@Shyri

I haven't forgotten you, I just don't have time. I'll be back in a couple hours to read the app.

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I'll just put stripes over everything there and we can recognize it for the chaos that it is.

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*clicks on link*

"officially known as the Ruthenian State or Zaporizhian Host (Військо Запорозьке, Viys’kо Zaporoz’kе)"

That being said, I did see all that but assumed that considering the Hetman was an elective role it would make little sense to call a genuine monarchy that. And they would at least have the conception of monarchy from the Russians, who, considering the makeup of the nobility, would still be majority in control of the country.

That being said, I'll go with Vilage's suggestion and call it simply Ukraine and the leader as Hetman. Given that, is my application acceptable?

@Mihndar

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy

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It does have historical, and by virtue of its use, a linguistic basis. Calling it the Kingdom of the Ukraine gives off an amateur NRP vibe since they've typically used the term Hetman in place of monarchical titles. Since you are creating a monarchy out of thin air, you're going to grab for the nearest comparable tradition, and the Cossacks got it.

Best way to play it is just call it "The Ukraine" with its leader titled as "Hetman"

@Vilageidiotx

To back this up: Ukrain puts strong emphasis on the Cossacks as part of their national legend. The entire basis of the founding of Ukraine is to Ukrainians on a romantic notion of the Cossack. There hasn't ever been a "kingdom" of Ukraine. Only Cossacks, and the unique Cossack heritage.

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"Hetman" has no historical or linguistic basis as a demonym or the name of a country, it's only titled that in historical terms because the general/military leader of that state was called the Hetman. It certainly holds no basis in a monarchy. If we're going to be entirely correct on that, it should be called the Kingdom of Zaporizhia.

And Zaporizhia, further, is only a region of southern Ukraine. It's a bit absurd to use a short-lived comparatively small Cossack state as the entire basis for a new Ukrainian kingdom.

To tell you the truth, I wanted to call it Galicia-Volhynia, as that has a much stronger historical basis even if it is further removed in time. I'd be happy to go with that if you think it's preferable.

@Mihndar

[Coughs in Ukrainian]

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I'll have my thing up after work for Austria.

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