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the real crime is trying to get people to play league of legends
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its a bit ironic coming from me but be nice to new stupid people. they're new and stupid and this forum is too dead to chase away every stupid new person
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I hate seeing people comment in interest checks saying "I'm interested, PM me."

Like fuck! You're interested, you probably have something to say, you PM them and tell them you're interested so you can get a dialogue started instead of weakly waving a hand and waiting for someone else to make the effort. Honestly, when I see someone tell me to PM me, I wonder why they didn't use that time and effort to PM me instead. That's like someone calling me to tell me they want to talk, then hang up so I have to call them back.

Let's meet each other halfway folks...


I mean, we make 1x1 interest checks to avoid having to PM others (in part) so this is double stupid, innit. And people try to be nice about it by saying 'oh, I don't read my 1x1 interest check! PM me!' but really that just translates to 'fuck you if you tell me to PM you, PM me instead.'
I don't deal with it.

If it happens, I just take a break from writing until I feel motivated again. Sometimes I can force my way through it, but that's always just shoving the problem forwards to deal with another day (you don't get rid of the block that way, you just move it to the next day).

Sometimes these breaks can take numerous months.
See: The Middle East, terrorism, extremism, Russia, VHEMT


It's also anomie/strain theory applied to the already wealthy that induces (actually, really specifically what you said) relative deprivation. It's a proven theory already, lol. It's used to explain why already wealthy individuals would engage in criminal activities despite the fact that they already have everything they might need.
Which part was a strawman argument?


The part where I said the ideas/proposals/technologies are naïve when I did in fact not. They're clearly sensible ideas.

They don't have to do it to benefit all of humanity, do it without expecting a return, or drop millions of dollars to construct vertical farms. They just have to do it to ensure their own socioeconomic security, whether they're faced with a recession or a nuclear war.


As I mentioned before, for example in terms of power generation, if one state refuses to adhere to these new standards and technology (this could be North Korea, for example, and that's when we say it's 'just 1' where as we can be quite certain that there will be numerous states that do not wish to invest in these things because they have more important things to worry about) then we still run the risk of dealing with nuclear fallout from an explosion. That's just an example.

Some dangers are cross-border. Some dangers are not preventable and only can be protected against. For example, rising water levels. No matter how much we invest in this, there will be countries that will not adhere to new standards (China for example) because it's not economically viable or not economically interesting. We're better off investing our money into protecting against the rising water (large dams or dykes or what have you) than in trying to prevent this from occurring. Because it will happen regardless of what we try.

As for your points:

Most first world countries (where most money is) have enough drinking water. So, ensuring proper water is available for everyone becomes a moot point for most of them. Capital cannot be raised in places that need water. There is no incentive (outside of morality, which you said was not involved) to help these countries, thus it won't be required.

Same goes for food. The places that can afford the projects you mentioned will not incentivize them large scale because there is enough food for the most part. Yes there are people that are hungry, but there are also stores that throw away edible food because nobody bought it. So, we do not need large scale reworks of agriculture. The places that do need food could benefit, but again, capital cannot be raised there.

As for energy, the transition from 1 energy type to the other can be quite expensive. I look forward to algae fuels. I doubt it will become mainstream in my time. Lets hope it will.

Shelter.. I might be biased because I live in a country where there is more than enough shelter, even for the homeless, but we do not need ultra-durable housing. If anything we could incentivize this to lower living costs. Now that might be interesting. But I doubt many people are okay with tearing down their old houses to 'prototype' new technologies.

Materials, I suppose there is some use in that, but again, most first world countries are doing fine and don't need to recycle anything yet. Why would we use this already then? There's no incentive.

Also, 3D printers are not that mainstream yet. We cannot, say, print tools that are ready for use. We still need a portion of the work to be done manually with non-printed parts.

Internet is fine with me but wireless internet is not as advanced as you seem to think. Really.. it's kinda shitty. There's a reason that most people that want fast internet still use cables to their modem.

The education thing is fine, it's also fine if it doesn't happen. Who will pay for the libraries, though? Taxes? I think we have other things we need to spend money on too. Law enforcement is shrinking in Europe, military is shrinking in Europe, healthcares are shrinking in Europe, we are budgetting everything away because social policies are non-sustainable. Do you have proposed solutions to those problems too? To failing healthcare systems?

And you mention 'global problems' but like mentioned above, I do not believe any of these problems to be so major in first world countries that they require immediate attention.

And what's wrong with nanotech and AI, by the way?

Starvation exists in every country, even if it's just one person. They don't have to give it for free to African countries. They could just tap groups like the International Monetary Fund, and tell them to properly invest all that sweet cash in more sensible ways. You keep assuming this is for morality's sake, when I've already said this is for practicality's sake. By accelerating this proposal's realization, financial crises, geopolitical conflicts, government negligence, and international hostilities are mitigated.


Yeeeeeeeeee, no, I don't see that happening. Starvation is not a cause of death in the Netherlands simply by people not being able to buy food. And even then I doubt we will have to rework everything with super high-tech farmbots and vertical farms purely for the 'one person' or 'thousand persons' that are supposedly starving when we are throwing away large amounts of food as is.

The goal of IMF is not to invest into these types of technologies, and I don't think that will ever change.

I do not see how any of this will end financial crises, geopolitical conflicts, government negligence or international hostilities.

"When goods don't cross borders, soldiers will." ~Frederic Bastiat, 19th Century

"If everyone has goods, war becomes pointless." ~catchamber, 21st Century


"War is the continuation of politics by other means."
Carl von Clausewitz


No, war will not become pointless, because people will find other things to be mad about (we already have found those things: religion, culture, political rivalries, greed for more (which will always exist, even if everyone has goods, because you cannot ensure that everyone has the same amount) or even political insults.

Quoting something doesn't make you right, either.

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I never said you are responsible, just that mentalities like yours are responsible. You're not the first person to throw around the "I don't care about the future, because I'll be dead" argument.

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If you're so concerned about the ineffectiveness or naïvety of my ideas, feel free to contact Australia, the Blest Company, Delft University of Technology, Facebook, Google, the Li-Fi Consortium, Maastricht University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the People's Republic of China, Qatar, Rice University, Samsung, the University of Southampton, and many other companies, countries, and universities that are currently working on the pieces of this proposal as we speak.

I'm sure they'll appreciate your profound insights into how the world works, and immediately drop all of their plans once you explain why their goals are infeasible.


Nice strawman, I did not say the technologies are naïve. Let's assume for a moment that the companies working on these technologies are not doing so in order to have a parade horse.

What I said was - sending this to our governments is useless, because not a government in the world will drop millions of (insert currency) on projects that are to benefit the whole of mankind without expecting some sort of return for it. You are asking them to drop millions onto constructing vertical farms?

What's the benefit of that for them if they can already supply enough food for their populace without them? You want them to go and give it to Africa for free? That's the part that's naïve. That you are expecting all of this to happen 'for the betterment of mankind' just because your moral compass tells you it's the right thing. It might be the right thing, that doesn't mean that there will be an incentive to do any of this in the middle of world-wide crises like the financial crises, geo-political situations like ISIS and other terrorist organizations as well as governments that are unwilling to take care of their own citizens or are unwilling to cooperate with other states.
<Snipped quote by Buddha>I don't think will work harder, I think they will either turn to crime and end up killed by the people they attempted to victimize or cops, they will starve to death, or they will just find another way to become a leech (churches and other do gooders).


Unlikely. Criminal justice systems do not kill criminals in any countries other than third world countries.

What gave you the idea that I think people are good? This isn't about morality, but practicality.


Your 'practicality' did not agree with what I consider practical so you instantly told me I was the reason the world is shit? Yeah, nah. It's definitely about morality at least in part.

Mentalities like yours are partly why we have so many problems in the world today. You don't care about the future, or the long term consequences of your behavior. "A peaceful and prosperous world" is generally considered desirable by most people.


Well, like I said, my ideas on what is preferable are different from yours. Don't get me wrong, a peaceful and prosperous world is definitely my goal and I do care about the future or long term consequences of my behaviour, I just think your ideas of how we can get there/improve are stupidly naïve. You disagree on that obviously, or else you wouldn't have these ideas. I'm more concerned about geo-political situations, and in that aspect I definitely do consider long term effects and the future. You obviously did not consider that, or else you wouldn't expect governments to start multi-billion euro/dollar/yen/w.e projects for something that doesn't even impact their populace.

But I'll take 'Buddha you are cancer of the world' and retort by saying that naïve people by you are generally the first ones to bite the dust when shit does go wrong. If you want to come with non-arguments, I'll do the same.
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