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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

tbh seeing Milo as anything other than a shitposting flamboyant homosexual who will do anything for a second of fame is just stupid. Once you see him for what he is, you can appreciate the humour behind what he does (ergo: make people that take themselves seriously really, really mad). Note that what he is doesn't necessarily even mean that he sees himself that way. Even if he takes himself seriously, we probably shouldn't, since it's funnier if you don't.

Naruto: Revival

^{Amegakure no Sato | S-rank | Leader of Amegakure}

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^{TIME: Present Day - Morning | LOCATION: Konohagakure - Exam Stadium Observation Room | INTERACTION: None}

Yogensha Kaguya. For once, she was on the visitors list. She was an unequal among peers - not in ability or capability, but in respect. For a shinobi of her level, this would be insufferable to most, but lady Kaguya was not one like most. Her gentle, calm nature shone through even as she entered the stadium, moving herself with such grace that was typically reserved only for the daughters and sisters of the daimyo - princesses. Women that traced their bloodline back to ancient warlord that, before the arrival of ninjutsu as a tool of warfare, ruled the lands in which the clans wandered. It was a far cry from Yogensha, who unbeknownst to her peers, traced her lineage to a wandering clan of blood-crazed fools who got dispersed into all corners of the known world. Hardly the embodiment of grace. Yet there she was.

She pushed through the doors and joined the crowd - though, it would've been tremendously surprising if anyone actually knew her, apart the few Amegakure students that were partaking. As the hokage wrapped up his speech, Yogensha would lift the edges of her kimono slightly and walk off again through a side door that clearly marked 'Observation Rooms.' Here she had expected to find other kage's, but it seemed she was 'the first' despite not being a true kage. That privilege was put away only for those leaders that were lucky enough to inherit vast swaths of land and a large army. Amegakure was - by comparison - not even a speck on the map of these people, and luckily that also meant that Amegakure was not unlucky enough to be target of an invasion. That fight would've been over in a day, even if Amegakure's shinobi were capable. The odds just didn't stack up.

Gracefully she moved one hand to her stomach, holding it there as she placed the other behind her back, the edges of her kimono dropping down and draping onto the floor again as she moved closer to the window, where several large screens were mounted. Each would soon feature a camera that would allow them to see the progress of each team. And, later on, the fights. “Remarkable...” she noted, bringing her hand forward and touching the cold glass of one of the screens. “... that Konohagakure would use such outdated screens.” Her eyes moved to the sides, though her head didn't move to look towards the figure that had approached behind her. Somehow she had detected that this person wasn't a threat, so she merely lowered her hand and turned around, the kimono moving with her gracefully as if it were a large cloak.

“Miss Kaguya-san,” the figure said, holding out a plate of refreshments for her, “a drink? The tournament is set to start soon, but the students are still dividing into teams momentarily. For now, please sit back and relax.”

“You can call me Yogensha,” she was quick to note, raising her arm into the air slightly to force the sleeve of the kimono to drop slightly, before holding it back with her other hand while she reached for a drink. It seemed as if every action she made was planned out - holding back the sleeve would lessen the chances of her knocking the plate over with her sleeve. It seemed... minimal and trivial to think about, but for a woman like Yogensha, who was at complete peace mentally, it was only natural to think of the small things. “Thank you kindly,” she said politely as she retrieved a drink and pulled back her hand. Her eyes went over the young shinobi's face - she anticipated that he was either a genin sent here to orchestrate the smaller, menial tasks, or perhaps just a civilian. But looks were deceiving, she knew. In fact, even she herself looked more like a civilian - her kunai and shuriken were hidden under her kimono, in some straps that went around both of her legs. It was hard to see through the piece of clothing, but they were certainly there. “And you would be...?” she then inquired as politely as she could.

“Katso Omawari. I'm a genin from Konoha, so rest assured, you're in good hands.”

“Hm, I'm sure I am. Thank you Katso. I'll go back to waiting for the tournament to start.” She stifled a smile as the boy walked away, as he seemed to be a bit cocky - though, what genin wasn't cocky at their age? As she turned back to the screen, she raised the drink to her mouth and suspiciously sipped from it. You wouldn't tell from her face - she didn't move a muscle - but the taste was awful, and so she lowered the glass again and placed it on the nearby table. It seemed Konohagakure had a different idea about what a good drink tasted like.

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It was pretty directed. One of the targeted groups - Polischuks - are less than a thousand today, and only got away by leaving Ukraine for Poland and other-places in the West.

Anyway, even if you discount the golodomor, de-Cossackization was an attempt at completely wiping out a people.

Communists did extermination before it was cool.

I can also refer to ZAPU/ZANLA groups chanting kill the white man and trying to exterminate Rhodesian whites.

@Andreyich

oh, yeah, but policies can be directed. IDK what he'd possibly gain from getting rid of these people. But I've never really looked into it either and usually keep my thoughts about it to my self - holodomor isn't even a subject really discussed conventionally because it's not that well known compared to other genocides.

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@Andreyich I never really thought holodomor was anything more than a misguided and stupid attempt at feeding their own populace and an accidental genocide at best, but yeah, communists were really good at killing people.

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Nazi tried to exterminate a whole race. YES BUT LOOK at XYZ! That always strikes me as a weird first response. I have enough judgement in my heart for both Nazi's and Soviets. I am boundless!

Stalin, what an anarchist. Hated order and control and the state.

Seriously though people that wear Che Guevara shirts are also messed up. Not to the same degree as they probably don't know who Che Guevara actually was.

@Penny

I'm just really critical of people who think that the Nazi's are the absolute of evil when the Americans were very content holding hands and singing kumbaya with the people who were killing the same amount if not more people just to kill their enemies.

Especially given most (all) your responses in this thread so far have been either passive aggressive or variations of 'lol i dont read anything you say and/or watch the videos u post lelele xd'. Non-conductive comments really shouldn't receive more than that in return imho.

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How messed up do you need to be to look at the death camps and say you know what, lets adopt the regalia of this group, they seem cool.

It's not like you cant be racist without being overtly Nazi. Examples abound.

@Penny

Yeah, just look at the fucking gulags. Fucking anarcho-communists.

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@Dynamo Frokane Dolf is rolling in his grave.

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That's totally fair. It's just easy to paint in broad strokes when one side doesn't shy away from the term and has a somewhat prominent member quoting Nazi propaganda, denouncing Jews, and doing the Nazi salute.

@Fabricant451

I mean, both sides are suffering from narrativism. Again, I see what you are saying, but it's easy to forget these people are saying these things because they believe those things and believe Jews are to blame. There's a reason they believe that, and that reason isn't just 'they're cunts' but also because, in many departments, these people have been left behind and feel left behind.

For instance, I've seen the remarks that people from the rust belt should just move on and go to college, where these comments come from rich, upper-middle class kids that go to college in very liberal towns. The realization that these people from the rust belt just don't have those same options and often don't even WANT to go to college but would rather work in manual labour isn't there - and as a result, you get two people that become utterly separated, and any understanding that was there fades away.

Looking at conservatives/liberals as people is the first step to fixing the problem, NOT beating them up because that, if anything, just makes them believe their points stronger. It has done that so far anyway. But I know you don't believe in beating them up - I'm just commenting on how I think we need to fix the problem (and the USA isn't my country so again, I'm probably very biased).

Every ideology has a reasoning, and it's not just irrational hate or fear of jews or other minorities. To dismantle the ideology you need to dismantle the reason for believing in it.

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Just because the other side has antifa doesn't make the entire side bad, evil or god forbid antifa themeselves.

Antifa and the white supremacists/nazis are two extremes and I don't throw in with either of them.

@Fabricant451

Alright, I thought you were on the side of antifa, but it's good that you recognize they're the two extremes.

And I never said all left wingers are antifa. In fact, I'm willing to venture a guess that most of the people in the USA are mostly ignorant as to the finer details of the entire 'war' and are basically just aware of 'fucking nazi's!' and 'fucking commies!' and that's about the extent of their knowledge.

It's calling a spade a spade here. If people want to go around holding the Nazi flag, using Nazi terminology (incorrectly or otherwise), and putting on swastika armbands and shouting about the genocide of white men and yelling about faggots then what else should they be called? Misguided angry people?

@Fabricant451

I'd start with 'retards' but yeah, I understand what you're saying. Not that I've seen the nazi flag, heard nazi terminology or putting on swastika armbands. I've heard of the genocide of the white race, but that's been going on for YEARS now, yknow, 1488 and all, and the stuff about faggots has been overdone for the past YEARS now too, mostly by that one retarded church.

Still, though, the distinction there is present as a european, and it's very strange to see, what I would just consider 'right wing extremists' being called nazi's, because that would most certainly not fly here due to the historical connotation that stuff has, ESPECIALLY in the continent that, like, yknow, actually dealt with nazi's.

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And yet they're still seen as preferable to, you know, the side what has Nazis.

@Fabricant451

If America's 'white supremacists' and whatever we call those people are 'nazi's' now then the 1939-1945 fascists must've been space marines because I still find the equation between the two entirely unreasonable, lol. Whatever you guys have in the USA, they're definitely not nazi's, but more like.. idk, cheap water filtrated knock-off nazi's. Probably a result of all the inbreeding.

Actually, following 'real' nazi train of thoughts, these people would be nothing less than the parasites of society, and although it may be harsh, would've likely been 'the first people on the train.'

Regardless, I think the flaw in your thinking is that 'the right has nazi's ergo the right is wrong' or at the very least, that's how you wrote it here. Whether you honestly believe that, or are just venting your frustration with these people in a generalization, I don't know. But I hope you know that just because their side has nazi's doesn't make that entire side bad, evil or god forbid nazi's themselves.

But let's suppose they were - it's not impossible or unthinkable that even a nazi may have good ideas from time to time.

The President might not be responsible for the rise of the 'alt-left' but he certainly hasn't helped the situation. Weirdly when someone in a position of power starts demonstrating things reminiscent of fascism, people start claiming said person in power is possibly a fascist. There's been a stupid and weird 'war' between left and right since before the election, only before the election it was from right side shit stirrers up in arms over lefties wanting to get rid of free speech because they dare to say that saying nigger and faggot and words like that are not cool. It was a lot of Chicken Little shit and now that they have a disorganized mess of a group like Antifa running around it's like vindication.

I don't think Antifa is going about it correctly at all but it's hard for me to think of them as worse than, you know, white supremacists and Nazis. And saying they're equally bad is disingenuous.

@Fabricant451

I've yet to see him do things that are fascist in nature per definition. At most I've seen him compared to.. Professor Snape from Harry Potter, or Voldemort, or whatever. Yeah, that's ground breaking stuff. Errr, I'm still missing a Kristallnacht, or calls to violence, or Trump equating Mexicans to pigs or something. I'm guessing that we could equate the culling of Obama-appointed officials as our night of the long knives, no? The USA will have a (insert name) Putsch. One of their own! And I remember the razzia's where we pulled Mexican citizens of the USA out of their house and deported them to Canada to systematically erase them.

Yeah, I can't really imagine that. He's showing conservative and authoritarian tendencies and has a very populist way of speaking, but honestly, equating him to a fascist or a nazi ... seems pretty far off to me, for now at any rate.

And perhaps antifa is more easily relatable with, we've fought nazi's before after all so why not do it now, but I'd like to remind you that antifa as an organization is deeply involved with other organizations that employ black bloc strategies (similar to those of antifa) that are not aimed at nazi's or fascists but more so at big business - destroying starbucks, and all that cool stuff. Antifa are not heroes, they are white college kids with a weekend to spare and a desire to be 'woke', or misguided mid-teens people that genuinely think that everyone with a shaven head must be a nazi. Both miss historical awareness.