Foster

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Fair enough, although Canada was still actively replacing their tanks as the hulls were originally Leo 1A3s purchased in 1978. They slapped a new turret on them in the 90's to extend their life another 20 years.

But yeah, it was a limited-run so they're kinda the battelfield-unicorn.

World in Conflict: Soviet Assault

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Enduring Freedom didn’t even start in Heavenfall, Afghanistan was Soviet-run until the catastrophe. Makes sense to me that a German tanker would thus have a German-origin tank as opposed to a Canadian one, as the state of the world in an ongoing Cold War means Canada probably wasn’t going to scrap its old tanks en masse.

@Smike

They were in the process of phasing them out in favor of the Leopard 2A6 since the early 2000s. OEF started in 2001 in response to the attack on the world trade center, also I'm not entirely sure if extending the Soviet-Union's cold-war dominion over Afghanistan would've done more than buy a few more years before something similar would've occurred anyways.

OTOH, Canada only had like... 50 working tanks by 2006, compared to the massive stockpile Belgium was apparently sitting on until 2023.

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I'm not expecting that level of detail from myself

@Rhona W

Speaking of which, I'm surprised you didn't choose the Canadian C2 Leopard (A Leopard 1A5 with MEXAS), as Canada was in the middle of divesting themselves of their Leopard 1 fleet after OEF/GWOT was winding down.

The older Leopard C2 tanks were considered completely obsolete by 2015, but specific plans for them have not yet been announced. Until deployment with the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan, the Leopard 1 C2 had never seen active combat.

In February 2018, Canada attempted to sell the surplus Leopard 1 C2 tanks to the Jordanian Armed Forces. In July, it was announced that the sale fell through and the Canadian Department of National Defence has yet to decide what to do with the surplus vehicles. Daniel Le Bouthillier, a spokesperson for the Canadian Department of National Defense, said "the last option would be to destroy the tanks."

As of November, 2021, no buyer was found for the Canadian Army's Leopard 1 C2 tanks, "About 45 retired Canadian Army tanks will soon be used for target practice at the Cold Lake Air Weapons Range." A Vegreville Alberta company, Quest Disposal & Recycling Inc., was contracted to repurpose them to be used for target practice at Cold Lake Air Weapons Range, and the tanks were at the company's site being processed in December 2021.

They completed scrapping them before Feb 2022 started.
Canada had 114 tanks. Of which only 27 survived the scrapyard in private collections.

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Precision guided DPICM out to 30 km should be plenty.

iirc the longest tank kill from another tank was from a T-80BV callsigned "Bunny" shooting HEAT-FS at a T-80UM2 8 km away a T-64BV shooting a T-90 with unguided HE-frag from 10.6 km (20 rounds to hit).

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Oh how the world turns.

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Meanwhile the 115mm U-5TS is an L/52 (6 meter) barrel and the 120mm KBM-2 is a non-standard L/50 of also roughly 6 meters length.

"Standard" 120s tended to be L/44 (5.3m) and L/55 (6.6m), and the M68 being used by the M60A3 is L/52 (5.3m).
-So far nobody has decided to use the french L/52 120mm, yet.

Just in case anyone was having difficulty visualizing the tree-trunks of angry boom-booms.

-Anyways, I'm not as bad as Lauralix, who apparently recently took a DTC-10-125 tank round home with him for further studies.

According to the Rheinmetall CEO Armin Papperger the barrels of the PzH 2000 had an expected lifetime of around 4,500 shots, but to the surprise of the manufacturer they have achieved up to 20,000

The 40 km standard-range is also pretty promising (a 6 km boost if using a special propelling charge). And can do 60-90 km with special ammunition.

But yeah, the barrel life on my tank... not great

The KBA-3 gun - which corresponds to the 2A46M-1 - lacked a chrome lining and as such, had a barrel life of just 200 rounds when firing standard APFSDS ammunition (3BM42). The barrel life of the 2A46M is greatly inferior to that of the M256 and Rh120, as the former has a useful life of 600 M829A1 rounds and the latter has a useful life of 700 DM13 rounds, or 400-600 DM33 rounds. It is advertised that with a chrome lining, the barrel lifespan of the 2A46M is 1,200 EFC and the number of standard APFSDS ammunition (3BM42) that could be fired is 450 rounds.

Based on the limited information available, the U-5TS appears to have had an acceptable level of durability. It has an average barrel life of 450 shots or 400-450 shots, depending on the source

Basically ~100 rds of APFSDS for the 115mm.

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Also, the barrel-life on the T-62AG is... not great... so it could probably swap guns between missions.

In this case a crude reversion to 115mm to better use local ammunition supplies. This however will mean it'll only be able to carry 35 115mm tank-rounds instead of the factory-default of 40, or the modified load of 35+5 120mm tank rounds. The 115mm would also be useful for low-threat environments and would have a 'cheap' 4-piece platics/fiberglass thermal-sleeve from the 1983 pattern of upgrades.

firing in the rain [without a thermal sleeve] has resulted in errors of up to 7 mils from barrel distortion, and by contrast, the maximum barrel distortion from solar heating occurs at 10 a.m in the morning and 4 p.m in the afternoon and the errors from heating and other external factors cumulatively induce an error of up to 1 mil. The installation of a thermal sleeve over the gun barrel will reduce the error when firing in the rain down to only 0.25 mils.

-tempted also to run methanol/gasoline in the external fuel-tanks and diesel or biodiesel in the internal fuel. As the post-fossil-fuel energy-system seems to favor methanol/ethanol. And the MM-1 mobile nuclear refinery was basically pulling Carbon-Monoxide from the atmosphere, then adding water and electricity/heat to get methanol to run tanks and jeeps and jets and stuff.
--Things get really fun when you syngas the syngas into a 1:1 biodiesel substitute

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@Rhona W Probably a coincidence, but... Canada be doing a war-movie featuring a ex-Belgian Leopard 1A5 acting as a ex-Belgian Leopard 1A5.

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Least your missing the auto loader.

@PrinceAlexus

T-62 never had it, and was the primary soviet tank in the Afghan war. Only T-55s and T-62s were sent to the sandbox.

So yes, the crews' worry is justified.

Further concern is the 5TDF engine derrived from the T-64 it'll be using

A few T-64 tanks were tested in Afghanistan during January 1980, but were quickly withdrawn without seeing combat because their engines did not perform well in the high altitude necessary for Afghan operations

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What do you mean “sounds good”? You ever seen a tank disappear in a rice paddy?

@Massasauga

That's SE Asia, thankfully.

No, this means we're going to Stan-land.

*Norkie T-62MV goes into a cold sweat*