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Myriad Reality

@Bishop

The discussion isn't exactly about the practicality of anarchy, but alright.

I agree with this paragraph in its entirety.

Virtually none.

On a personal level, for the most part.

Animals don't live by logic, but yes, we as humans have done much better.

You're right, freedom is abstract. That's why I didn't use freedom as my qualifier.
Interestingly, humans are one of the only species in which not (virtually) 100% of the population wants to survive/procreate.
Not at all. That's why I never based the predefined "superior" to mean human survival, happiness, or even perceived value. Rather, humans could go totally extinct under anarchy and it wouldn't affect the point I was making because the rationality of the system is not based on its success, but rather the fewest logical flaws in implementing it.

If you want to debate the practicality of anarchy, I'm not your guy (Dark is around if you want to talk about that). I'm not a naturalist, so I also don't think that anarchy is a logical system. In fact, because of the very reasons you described, I believe a naturalistic system fails. I consider it illogical and don't follow it (and this might be where Dark responds to me because I said something negative about anarchy).

Myriad Reality

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Its fine, really.

@souleaterfan320

If you say so...

Myriad Reality

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You didn't cause it. No need for apologies.

@souleaterfan320

Yeah, but I asked you to talk.

Myriad Reality

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Indeed it does, miss. However, the less I speak, the less I notice.

@souleaterfan320

Sorry...

Myriad Reality

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*points to my scar*

It never healed properly, hence my voice sounding the way it does.

@souleaterfan320

So it still hurts?

Myriad Reality

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I am fine... just discomforted.

@souleaterfan320

By?

Myriad Reality

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You two seem to be having fun.

@souleaterfan320

Check the last few pages.

Myriad Reality

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Crow: .... not nearly..

*stares out at the open space, and rubs the scar on his neck softly, as it seems to be hurting, and winces from it*

@souleaterfan320

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Crow: .... not nearly..

*stares out at the open space, and rubs the scar on his neck softly, as it seems to be hurting, and winces from it*

@souleaterfan320

Are you okay?

Myriad Reality

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Some, indeed.

@souleaterfan320

Not nearly most.

Myriad Reality

@Bishop

You miss that I also qualified that statement. It only impacts the world through humans, and not directly. Anything "real" in the sense that I'm using it has a direct impact on physical reality, humans present or otherwise.

Other than the fact that you believe you would be "worse off" in an anarchy (despite the lack of data), that doesn't impact the logic of the system as a whole. You're viewing it on an individual level, which has no bearing on what system is the most logical to implement, because that is on a collective level. I even mentioned before that it's totally possible for you to personally not desire anarchy, but that doesn't change that for aforementioned reasons, it is still the most logical system (even if it perhaps isn't logical to desire on a person level e.g. An emperor).

I know several beings who would want that, but that's not relevant. I also don't claim that animals operate based on logic. Rather, logic operates on its own; anarchy is the "default state" of a society, just like in the animal kingdom, because it doesn't require abstract and undefinable concepts—there is no consensus, no assumptions, no abstractions, just the raw and unfiltered structure of the world. In fact, the idea that animals can't operate on logic advances this argument because it shows that it is standalone, independent of thought (as is required of logic). You're conflating the idea of human desire and logic itself, which exists independent of humans. Logic operates on its own and isn't impacted by anything any of us think.

I would also like to point out that you are mistaken on the details of anarchy. Anarchy is a system based on self-preservation. People can make agreements, deals, or anything else even without being the fittest as long as they contribute. Farmer Jim can hire brute Tom to guard him if he's able to trade. It's a mutual system of consent for every human involved. I don't claim that every naturalist should desire anarchy, nor do I claim that every naturalist should believe anything in particular. Instead, I sought to prove that on a purely logical level, anarchy is the most optimal system of all. Even if no human desired it, that wouldn't change that it is the naturalistically superior system.