POOHEAD189

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@POOHEAD189 He gave him a million bucks. I think Trump has made a pretty good returns in that investment. xP

I mean almost all small business owners get loans...I don't see why that's put against him.

I feel like I'm defending a man, who I'd probably be perfectly fine mocking under most circumstances...I just feel like, he's already gotten his 8 years of bush hatred out, without a year in office. And a lot of it isn't well justified either.

@SleepingSilence

He got a million dollars, and inherited a lot of business assets, and as I said, his father managed a lot of his affairs. His business base was not made from himself.
Look, Trump isn't all bad. But he has little in the way of redeeming qualities.

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If one could acquire Trump-level wealth without being a savvy business man, I'd be wealthier than I am.

@mdk

Well, all you need is a wealthy father who helps manage your affairs, a recognizable face, and a lotta fallback money.

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Eh, fair enough. My point was that a couple chapter 11s in the past are, like, nothing. You should see some of the bullshit DC people get away with.

@mdk

I get what you mean. I'm just arguing against him being a savvy business man.

@POOHEAD189 Plenty of casino's go under, so not really. Actually that sort of shows something, because many people don't survive and continue after the first one. But I won't go too far into it either, because I'm not really wanting to defend him that badly either.

I'll admit Bush wasn't the biggest problem during his presidency run. But the people surrounding him were a bunch of knuckle-draggers. People like Karl Rove, made his presidency what it was.

And I agreed with that sentiment too. But I do think there's more that people could unite on, that politics current game is to be as unbearable and toxic as possible. Making middle ground only seem more impossible, but even attempting to be civil would be a nice change.

@SleepingSilence

Some Casinos close, but them going bankrupt takes a rare person.

I agree with your other two points :)

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Why don't we ask Haiti how it feels about the Clinton Foundation's handling of money?

Also: she's lost more than one presidential campaign.

@mdk

1) I don't know why you're bringing up Hillary Clinton's failures when all I've done is go against Trump. I'm not a liberal, not a democrat, nor am I a Hillary Clinton fan.
2) The handling of money in one incident does not make a charitable organization, one where the Clintons are no longer board members on, a failure.
3) Yes, she's run before. Still not a reflection of her business skills.

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One key difference is that only one of them has anything to show for their efforts.

@mdk

The difference is one spent their money on a campaign, and the other just couldn't handle a business multiple times over.

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@mdk

I hope you are not serious. It doesn't take a lot of thought to see how that's not the same thing.
Also, even if that info was relevant, which it isn't. If you use memes, might wanna source them.

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@POOHEAD189 Has a lot more than the last one did. xP I won't go out of my way to say he's "qualified" But he's clearly not that dumb. It's sort of like people attacking Bush for being a C student. In fucking Yale. (and his opponent had a C- to add to the irony.) Running a business is experience in a very small scale, but not every idiot can run one for as long as he has.

@SleepingSilence

I am a big Bush apologist. He's actually quite intelligent, especially in geopolitics. A lot of shit that wasn't his fault happened during his presidency. 9/11, Katrina, Housing Market Crash, etc.
It's not the same thing as Trump, who is nothing more than a TV personality, and he has run a few of them, only running them into the ground isn't the same thing as running them.

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I think outright calling him incompetent would be the wrong word to use, since he's (was) currently running successful company.

He's been bankrupt 3 times, and he bankrupted a Casino, which is quite a feat to say the least.

I didn't touch on your other points because I agree with them, mostly. @Penny is very correct though. Not all correct answers are in the middle, but its quite concerning how no one can seem to agree. Or, no one with any kind of voice.

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@mdk

It certainly seems like people are living in some weird mirror universes. One side sees Trump as an utterly incompetent embarrassment, the other as a messianic figure that can do no wrong.

It is fallacious to say that the truth is somewhere in the middle, but there is SO LITTLE commonality of opinion on the matter.

I also think people on the left are falling into a sort of Hitler trap, where they heap all this crap on Trump as this aberration in what looks to be an attempt to avoid admitting the fact that literally millions of their fellow citizens though voting for him was a good idea.

Trump is just one guy, he is a symptom of a wider cultural phenomenon. I'm actually more concerned about what happens 8 years from now when a slightly more polished version of Trump who learned the demagogic lessons of 2016 takes the stage.

@Penny

I do think it's quite irrational to think Trump is the anti-christ, or as you say, an allusion to Hitler. He's more of a corrupt fool, which granted, is common in Washington. I think him being blatantly arrogant with no experience, is the kicker.

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@Penny