Raineh Daze

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Sir Lancelot

The Saber turned around on hearing the laughter, sure there was something familiar about it--and wanting to reprimand whoever it was that didn't even swallow their drink first. But on seeing who it was, the knight almost dropped the snacks. Almost, but not quite--because his first impression of who was there would have been quite irate about the wasted food. What he did do was drop the supernatural blandness, his features becoming more distinct and recognisable.

"Ah, your majesty, I thought we were supposed to meet later--wait..." he started, trailing off and looking confused. It was almost right; the face and eyes were the same, without the armour and heavy clothing from Camelot they were definitely female... but the air around them wasn't the same. There was no kingly attitude, the hair was too messy, and they were wearing far more red than Artoria was liable to.

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Gilgamesh

Lounging on a sofa with a glass of wine, the King of Heroes radiated a feeling of idle, unearned wealth. Even summoned with nothing, it was impossible for him to remain destitute for long--in a matter of days, some fortuitous change and a lottery ticket had catapulted him to a comfortable living standard, and the stock market had done the rest. It was convenient how quickly modern humanity allowed him to acquire wealth.

Though a good part of that had simply been reacquiring all of his holdings from Fuyuki.

Normally, he would have no interest in a teacher, whether a magic user or not, but there were loose ends from his last summoning around... perhaps this was one of them. To ensure that his mercy was still deserved. "What is the name of this teacher?"

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@13org I think the black's not got enough contrast.

Materials required for a (proper) summoning: draw a circle. Know the words. Be magic. In a normal Grail War, the Grail does the picking and heavy lifting.

So something else is probably doing most of it here, too.

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@1Charak2 Dark blue font on a dark grey background isn't exactly readable.

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Ignoring the hider because TL;DR and random spoilers* and you somehow read the wiki page on Mystery and got completely the wrong idea...

If Rhon was literally not falling apart, it would indeed get stronger (or rather, you could actually use it; age = power and it's already plenty strong and can overwhelm modern comparisons). But it's falling apart. Also mostly significant for its metaphysical purpose.

Actually extant Noble Phantasms that haven't degraded in power one bit (just their use being limited): Fragarach, Avalon, and Jack's knives. They all work fine, they're just not something people can use freely.

*AKA: I'm not entering into a debate where other people can be spoiled.

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You're wrong, and I'm not going to bother arguing it further because you're just ignoring me on the fundamental point again and again.

What is to stop, hundreds or thousands of people from doing that.

Step one: not having real magic circuits that mean their body/soul is conditioned to take in and expel magical energy like that. Easy. "Why can't you make fake magic circuits? Because you don't have real ones."

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The Age of Gods is directly tied to an abundance of 'Mystery'

Nope, relative power balance between gods and mortals. This is pretty firmly established by CCC and Extella, amongst others. The gods lost a lot to

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Sephyr/Sefar

including the heavy Ether presence that allowed materialisation and needed a way to address the balance, they made Gil so that people would remain appropriately reverential towards the Gods and reverse this, he decided that humanity's future was better.

Everything else just follows on from that continuing decline of incredible power concentrated in a few entities. It still resurfaces, though; things like the Dead Apostle Ancestors and magical beasts wield all the same power they always have.

The greatest example of mystery against science is reinforcement being unable to work on a firearm. It is simply impossible to reinforce a firearm with magic due to the fact that the firearm rejects mystery due to being a complex mechanism of science

I think that's more because Magi are incompetent and don't understand guns well enough to work out how to enhance them in such a manner.

But if you really want to bring up magic guns: Lancelot says hi with Knight of Honour, Edison literally makes magitech robots with guns in America, there's every Servant WITH a gun... they're eminently capable of being reinforced, magi just don't know how--seriously, they probably could with something simple enough of a lot of work at it; but why bother? More direct magic works just as well. Kiritsugu is the only magus to heavily use guns and his magical knowledge is mostly time-related due to his magic crest.

Babbage literally runs on science and a Reality Marble that says "screw the second law of thermodynamics".

And again: the translation used is not Mystery. It is not the concept of being unknown. Things that work by reducing mystery work by making the supernatural seem mundane (not actually "oh this is unknown") or in Edison's case taking this thing and mass replicating it. Which is actually a different reason why mystery can be lost--an ancient item, broken and repaired, starts from scratch. Edison's NP is his mass replication philosophy, which replaces one original with lots of built up power with imitations.

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Where to even start...

Command Seals aren't absolute. Specifically, Illya is the only person who can command Heracles--and her command seals are unique--which shows that they can be ignored even without special NPs. Magic Resistance operates against Command Seals as they're magecraft--Gil's MR rank is actually based on the Archer class and his Master; it doesn't count how many items there are. At which point it takes an instant for something from Gate of Babylon to remove your head, break the contract, and negate the command (of course assuming you even get the first command out without it being predicted in time).

Secondly, you fundamentally misunderstand what Mystery is. It's an innate quality of something; power granted by the Root--it's romanised as Mystic, as clunky as that sounds, for a reason. Things that exist long enough innately attract more power and that only increases with time. Being common knowledge does not weaken it; the only time implications like that are ever suggested are because of the idea of too many demands on a finite amount of power. Obviously, Fusang is such an odd nexus that it can't tap itself dry so it's fine. And magecraft isn't really going anywhere because not everyone is a magus and the actual systems are less important than the rest of it.*

Older = Better is the supernatural law of the Nasuverse and that's how it works.

*Also, this perfectly explains how Extra became Extra: exactly how much power do you think it takes to try and resurrect the first Dead Apostle early?

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Because nobody is going to get a good nights sleep if they knew a kid with three command seals could wake up tomorrow with a world cracker and have a bad day that results in the entire world going boom

Fairly certain the chance of anyone command sealing Gil into trying to destroy the world is nil, they'd be dead before they could finish the command. He's the only world-ending effect, and presumably being on an island in the Pacific stops anyone from having Karna nuke a country.

People might be terrified at first but it'd quickly decay to your same-old existential dread as nobody is actually threatening anyone else and this also means some of history's greatest inventors and artists are also around again.

Your biggest insurance against all these things is, ironically, Gilgamesh + Sha Naqba Imuru. Unless he goes obviously insane, that clairvoyance (and anything else like it--there's enough historical prophets) is good advance warning. It's self-policing.

Would cause such a massive war of culture.

Summoning process solves that.

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@1Charak2

1) Nasu seems to have gotten bored and that's no longer canon. The way stuff in GO works, it's definitely not canon.
2) Why would you riot. Or maybe they did riot. It's been years; there's no point to keep rioting.
3) Better to have Servants and mages in one place and co-operate with you than start a fight with people who can wipe the floor with a modern military.

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@Reflection Yup.

Any preference for what they should be doing?