SleepingSilence

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Raddum We really don't. I'd normally PM for spats or report them. But that's not how this forum has worked out.

@Odin Yes, proofreading would help. Because you'd know I never mentioned anything about swear words. Along with everything else you ironically call me stupid for when -you- don't comprehend something I said.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

And I use periods instead of comma's because that's something that is different between the USA and the Netherlands.

@Odin

My nice, rude and curious reply all at the same time.

Nice: Yeah I figured, that's why I crossed it out.
Rude: Rhetorical means question I don't want an answer to.
Curious: Are you actually autistic? Why can you speak casually sometimes, but flip shit at other equally innocuous sentences?

I'm not taking anything personal - I just think you are an idiot, with idiot arguments, and I carefully explained why I think they are idiot arguments.

@Odin

Because I can't figure out what the fuck you're trying to respond to telling me to grow up.

@Odin

Because you're blind.

Because you're the fucking idiot.

Because there's a smudge on your screen.

No, I'll go with look at my obvious numbering on your own quotes that I made for easy reference to which paragraph/sentence I was talking about. Though growing up in general would be a nice start. This is my last reply, because I don't feel like debating with someone without a hint of self-awareness.

The Savage And Subservient (SleepingSilence x KatherinWinter)

@KatherinWinter It's fine. It was set as a mixture/collab of ideas. I don't have to lead every plot moment, if you want to add any elements of your own, free feel. Not forcing anything though. :3 And yeah.

Also sorry, if I paused the post in an odd spot. I'm willing to add more, if you'd like, I just didn't want to have my posts be too long for you.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Silver Carrot

I see. Didn't realize. I feel like I was unintentionally stabbed. XD (pre-apology for being included in this.)

1. You just can't seem to reasonably make a point without stepping over the boundaries of what is considered reasonable discussion right? I have a 'long' list of rules. On my 1x1, I have 12 do's and don'ts. Is that too much? Maybe that's the point - to weed out those who think I'm too demanding? The 'vibe' you get doesn't really seem based in reality. If you want feel free to point our 3-4 RP's that are active right now that do this.

2. Irrelevant. I don't like the colors so I don't do it. That's my decision as an RPer. You don't have to follow this ''cultural bandwagon'' you talk about - that's a choice. That you follow along is your own problem, not mine. Doesn't even relate to the discussion because right from the start you misunderstood why people include rules and passwords and therefore your entire paragraph here is just not required.

3. Well, I don't think that's a good idea - people who don't know a lot about the setting can still be valuable assets. I've experienced this as I happened to run Naruto RP's for the longest time. As it so happens, a lot of non-Naruto watchers are good at roleplaying it with a helping hand.

That's the beauty of it - I never said I want passwords to be banned or disappear entirely. I said I abandon ship. People are free to put in passwords (or in this example, quizzes) but I just won't join. That they want to include it is their decision - and me not going along with is mine.

To answer your (stupid) question: a GM is allowed to add infinite hoops for players to jump through. That nobody will join is their problem, but they have the right to add as many or little hoops as they want. Saying otherwise is idiocy.

4 Yes. 10.000 words isn't that much for me, but I understand it is for others. It's irrelevant though - whether you wrote 10 or 10.000, the answer would be yes. And 100.000.000 would be a yes too. Because it's not my RP. I don't decide what the test post length is - I just have to fill it in. And you know, 'no' is an answer too. I can decide not to fill it in. Their loss. So yes I'm OK with it.

epic xd

5. You asked that before and the answer is the same - any limit is acceptable. You decide yourself whether you want to jump through that hoop or not. Such as the case here - a hidden password. I'd not jump through that hoop but the hoop is acceptable.

6. Did- did you just answer your own question? Did you just say it's the GM's choice? Jesus fucking christ. Why write me a 20.000 word essay about why it's unacceptable only to answer your own question. Really, I mean this in the best way possible. Get some fucking help.

7. Now this, this is just gay. Sending love to people? Jesus christ.

@Odin

@Odin

Stop taking unpersonal things personal...(and a more personal and rhetorical question. Do you separate a hundred times because you think it's good writing structure?)

1. It's strange to deny the reality of people having too many rules when you yourself admit to putting 24 of them in a 1x1 section, on purpose to be selective...

But I would happily PM you many examples of roleplays that have unnecessarily long rule sets. But not on the thread itself to spread drama, because that's never my intention. I also sadly don't fully trust you not to try to stir up trouble if I did provide examples. You don't have to take my word for it, maybe just look through the forum yourself when you have the time.

2. It wasn't complaining. It was relevant to things I only see this forum do and do more frequently because of the intent to copy others. My point was I'm specifically not demonizing people for doing what they feel like. If you had nothing to add, you didn't need to reply to it.

3. I'd say I appreciate the consistency, but you were just talking about a single password being too much of a hurdle. But I agree you have the right do it and have nobody join as a result. (also why are you using periods for numbers? Never mind, it's not important.)

4. Semantics, but I didn't ask the same question in that case. You jumped ahead of my question with a more broad answer that happened to fill the next questions.

5. I agree that the idea isn't a good one. Though thanks for adding that (stupid/idiot) part again. But the question never was can they. It was should they? Hopefully you notice the difference. <.<

6. See #5. And also, because you can't be respectful, I warned you already and you still wish to be personal. You're goddamn thick, if you couldn't tell I was speaking hypothetically and childish as fuck for persisting with this shitty attitude you keep presenting. Grow up.

7. See #6. Last sentence.

>Note to self: Read whole post before replying, so you stop acting respectively halfway through only to see the rest and go..."oh..."

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

Hiding a password in a hider or in the code is a deterrent. Putting a password in plain sight is totally different.

Doing that isn't a deterrent unless that person did not read the rules/the OOC

@Silver Carrot

I mean...I was going off what you wrote, where you said it was meant to exclude almost everybody and that lazy people weren't the only ones to be punished by this. I'm not saying you couldn't put a password somewhere that is easy to find, I explained the optimal placement for a password, if one must have one...

But my questions of actual benefit (especially if just ignored by everyone, including the GM) are still left unanswered.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

"lack of unified leadership usually leads to different interpretations making it hard for us to know what is the core belief, right? :)"

This is the problem with so many groups and movements nowadays. Feminism springs to mind. That's why we now have 'TIF's vs 'TERF's, and Feminists outright burning the books of other Feminists.

@Silver Carrot

Well, yes and no?

What you're describing is eating one's own and it is much more commonly done with people who are more violent in nature. But not excluding the more crazy people from anything. But it's not like movements or groups -don't- all have unifying ideas of some kind. Political and Non-Political. (I.E Fandoms) Otherwise they wouldn't have ever become a group. For instance, Feminists may differ in sex negative or sex positive, but you cannot be a feminist without believing in systematic patriarchy. None of the movements ideas could work without that underlying idea.

I don't know if having a leader of a group would even theoretically be possible or remotely healthy behavior to make an individual "the christ figure" of their perspective group.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@ArenaSnow Well clearly yes. Because it wouldn't become a discussion otherwise. xP (Me personally, No.)

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

I have absolutely no issue with GMs putting the last rule of the OOC as "If you have read these rules, put this in your CS".

You'll be amazed how many people don't read the rules and get pissy when they get told off for breaking them as if 'How was I supposed to know the rules?'

@Silver Carrot

My question to you, how important or useful was a password if you end up having almost no one that signed up catch it, so the person just accepts everyone anyway? This has already happened.

I'll admit I'm playing devil's advocate here, but newbies that switch forums likely didn't see/use passwords on other forums. So it might be a case of culture shock. I feel like if you put a password at all in your roleplaying, it should be inserted into the OOC text, which would prove they actually read it. Not buried in a hider in the CS. (which means they could still get the password, while skipping the OOC text.)

No, it should be easy to find as long as you actually read the OOC. Hiding a password isn't a measure to exclude lazy people and nobody else. It's a measure to exclude almost everybody.

@Silver Carrot

Also I can't tell if that was a Freudian slip through text. But those seem like contradictory statements. Is it easy to perform? Or is it meant to exclude almost everybody? And if both would that imply you don't have a lot of faith in the average forum user. :P I'd say it was a mistake (made twice in a row?) but you seem to imply/admit the password is a strong deterrent for most that share interest.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Odin I mean I agree that there's at least a chance to make it practical and maybe even community building. Just that no one ever seems to utilize in anyway that's different from anyone else. It's just seems to be bandwagon decision with more adding passwords because "oh hey, that's a neat idea." I mean that has to be why I see so many people type out like 10-30 rules to follow that could be shortened to under ten easily. Because "long lists of rules make me seem super serious." At least that's sort of the vibe I get.

Hell, I'll even admit I'm part of the forum's "cultural" bandwagon. I never once color coded my work previously. Neither did anyone else, even though other roleplaying forums did have options to color text. But I do it now, even though it isn't really necessary. Some of the code is an effective way to format and change your writing to make the reading experience differ from a book. It's just bells and whistles, but I completely understand why people use it. Same with other things I see cropping up.

I just feel like you could make a slippery slope argument when it comes to this stuff. (though far less serious of any real problem.) But let's say someone had the bright idea to give people a 20 question English quiz, to test the user's comprehension skills or something. It pertains to reading and skill level right? (maybe a Lore question quiz to make it more topical. Doing a harry potter or naruto RP? Make a quiz about it!) Is that a good idea? I know it's a silly question. (unless you happen to agree. <.<) But I ask what's the limit of hoops a GM is allowed to add to something that at the end of the day is suppose to be fun?

Would you be okay with 10,000 word minimum test posts, that couldn't be used for the roleplay? (I ask because I was once forced to write thousands of words just to enter a 18+ section on a forum. So I can easily see people tacking on word lengths too. If that hasn't happened already.) If no, what limit is acceptable? Is one acceptable? Some people's threshold for tolerating wasted time may vary. If you can't use it for a roleplay, that's what it is...

It's the GM's choice at the end of the day, but it's also not surprising that I see so many roleplays never get off the ground and that also usually falls on the GM too...

(Just for clarification sake. I appreciate the work good GM's do. I've been one before and I'm well aware of the workload and even the forum's environment that likely makes your job harder. Sending love to those that as least try to be better and don't drop their own projects before anyone else does. <3)

Shuffle your music player and post the first 10 songs

Hey haven't done this in a while, certainly have listened to plenty of bands in the meantime.

1. Keaton Henson - Oliver Dalston Browning
2. Shearwater - Breaking the Yearlings
3. Brick + Mortar - Locked In A Cage
4. Woodkid - Run Boy Bun
5. Cold War Kids - First
6. Banners - Firefly
7. Trivium - Beyond Oblivion
8. Kelsea Ballerini - Miss Me More
9. KidneyThieves- Zerospace
10. Big K.R.I.T - Get Away