SleepingSilence

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

I think that kind of political correctness is counterproductive. In punishing someone over a joke (and I don't know all the details of the case, I'm taking your word for it), you are pissing people off, who then come to the conclusion that minorities are to blame. So, in trying to protect minorities, you end up hurting them because now you've got people who are pissed off that a multicultural society is leading to people getting jailed over jokes, when really it's not the multicultural society that is to blame for that - it's the law that makes it possible to throw someone in jail for a joke.

@Pepperm1nts

All political correctness is counterproductive. It's history is malicious and it never changed. But don't take my word for it. I mean this in a sincere/kindest possible way, look it up yourself. A young man is literally facing jail time over a dog's lifting his paw, and a judge considered his crime being "grossly offensive". (If the video in question hasn't been removed.) His video actually didn't get any negative feedback, or huge blow-back backlash from the internet that I'm aware of. But I agree the multicultural society isn't to blame. It's the political correct/hate speech culture doing what it always intended to do.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

I'm really no sure what people find so hard to fathom about not associating with people who hold views you find reprehensible.

@Penny

Because the last time I tried having a straight/100% honest, civil conversation with you. You told me 100% straight, without a hint of humor in sight. "Suicide bombers are okay and shouldn't be stopped." (After pause, given the important clarification. That they can't -kill- anyone. (another reason why I know you weren't being sarcastic when arguing. So the following environmental and property damage. And the mental trauma and physical injuries of innocent life. Nah, just it's okay long as nobodies dead.)

So I haven't the faintest frick where your moral compass is, and what it is or isn't deeming to be indefensible. >.>

Edit: And the very same people who think "the tumblr genders are probably on the up and up." Think everyone is a Nazi, including the following...

twitter.com/Spainkiller/status/976096…

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You can think whatever you want about the sources, it does not change the fact that they have called for "peaceful" ethnic cleansing among other things. You are free to look up information using your preferred sources, if you actually care to. Not surprised you still defend them, though. You've already displayed your ignorance in spectacular fashion with your comment about the nazi party a few pages back. I'm going to have a lot of trouble taking you seriously after that one.

@Pepperm1nts

Progressives really don't have senses of humor do they? I even put /S, if you couldn't parse the meaning of the obvious sarcasm. I'm going to have trouble taking you seriously...

No, I wasn't actually judging your sources. I'm again pointing out your hypocrisy that you always call out "bias" in sources when it means literally nothing. (Actually the site pointing to the bias, is itself bias in a way. Just look at a few of the sites on their list they claim "are least bias" shit like doctors without borders is on there...)

And again, I figured you were being snarky to match my own previous snark. But now you're genuinely trying to argue "your joke", and I pointed out people like Mussolini started Facism because he felt that was the only way true socialism would ever come to fruition.

Though, my original post wasn't trying to be a factual argument, it was a joke to show the vagueness of her loaded statement.

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Conservatives, I guess.

@Pepperm1nts

I believe you. I guess.

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Oh, and on the U.K.



And if you're out of the loop. Because of his girlfriend kept bragging about her cute dog. He made his girlfriend's small dog, do the least cute thing he could think of, and learn to lift one paw to the word "sieg heil" and made a video of it while giggling. This joke, which no one on earth cared about. Is now possibly putting a man behind bars... (save the cheering, defending or "it's a fringe, 'entire country'" comments on this one.)

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

EVERYBODY: Who do you disagree with and also think people shouldn't hate?

@mdk

I'm pretty sure I disagree with everyone about at least one thing, and I don't think anyone should be hated.

@catchamber

Political, Religious and most of the time. Very same deal. Though while it sounds nice, some people deserve it. Like people that abuse animals. Though admittedly it's an unproductive action.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Penny No and like I said. Depends what "Nazi" means to you. If it's anything like assuming all nationalists are Nazi's, then yes, it's a bit broader than it should be.

Also, as someone who has dealt with people throwing their conniption fits at me, for either mentioning and @ing them during continuous conversation or forgetting to do it once. And also has been bitched at for not adorning every conversation with 100% civility and grace. Instead of just being a sarcastic ass, like I'm currently am.

Can I merely just point out, it's mildly obnoxious that you keep spamming my inbox with two to three posts at a time. Despite never adding anything remotely substantive...

Just shift enter on your keyboard, and wait five seconds before posting again...will a cherry on top sway you? <.<

Brevity is the soul of wit and all that.

@Penny

I know we're just shooting the shit. But, I can't help but wonder how unintentional this all is. Like, this response I only assume refers to single sentences line. But after posting twice again, literally not being brief. Are you intentionally calling out your own posts witless? Am I just trying to hard to rationalize this? :I

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Also, sorry for the folks in the bleachers. I literally have nothing worthwhile to add that I think will effect the direction of this conversation. And not a single jeer is allowed either (nor will it be taken remotely seriously) Since we've already gotten into shit posting on all fronts, on all sides.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@SleepingSilence If one of my family members were a Nazi or a KKK member or some such, you can bet your ass I would have nothing at all to do with them.

@Penny

Ignoring the double post of single sentences. "Of such" seems rather vague from the person gleefully telling me they wish the fabric of american society should perish. I mean, you are making definitive statements. "I'll cut this people from my life, no if ands or buts! But yeah know, keeping my options of crimes pretty wide... You think you'd be a little less wishy-washy with your word choice, no?

Yes, I'm arguing semantics. But I can't help but think that everyone's right of Joe Biden is probably a Nazi.

splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist…
edition.cnn.com/2016/12/06/politics/r…
theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016…

Or look at Richard Spencer's wikipedia page, where the claim is mentioned and cited: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer

@Pepperm1nts

mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-atlantic
mediabiasfactcheck.com/southern-pover…

*gasp* Look bias! /S (Don't waste your time trying to defend it.)

Also, try maybe reading some Mussolini. And (pretty sure) that someone whose called America 'democratic' before, not sure if your snark is particularly warranted. ;D

(Edit: Wrong person using same site for bias, though you've also used "bias" like it means something/an attack before. So won't change it. :D)

The Savage And Subservient (SleepingSilence x KatherinWinter)

Bastian lead Elizabeth outside the stables. Scowling after a moment of preparation, walking toward the marketplace. The place filled with silent chattering, sneers and boisterous laughter. Many beastkind twisted their necks, nearly snapping them off. Glancing at Bastian coming from behind, glaring daggers. Penetrating through the large crowd until spotting the face-down human corpse amidst the assembled. The dressed-up and deceased aristocrat approached by several guards with heads hung low. Helmets covered their identities. Unlike dogs, they didn’t need tails tucked between their legs to display their trembling bones. Picking the body off the ground and hurling it into an empty wheelbarrow.

“Lotta good your precious wealth and fashion sense did ya!” An armored beastkind called out in a gravelly voice, east of Bastian and loud enough for Elizabeth to hear. Bastian shielded his twitching nose with his paw, the familiar pungent scent lingered. Gently squeezing her hand and taking them into an dead-end alley. Resting his paws onto her shoulders, sighing and removing the feigned fury from his face.

“Here’s the plan.” Bastian confided gazing into her eyes. “The northern building that I cannot access, with the vultures circling overhead. It’s a gambling ring. That’s where you’ll locate my target that’s connected with the kidnappers. She’s nicknamed ‘The Bladed Beauty’, known only by the flayed flesh from her clientele. Rumored to be the best at altering one’s entire appearance. Including herself, which is why pictures of her or my kidnappers are likely worthless. Find her, gain her trust and trick her into leaving the premises.” His tone was firm, giving her a concerned look. “Given the circumstances with the ongoing beastkind insurrection, you’ll actually be safer there than around here. But I’m still asking to put yourself in danger for my sake. Please be careful, I don’t want you to get yourself killed.”

He stepped back, dropping his arms to his side. Briefly looking elsewhere and clearing his throat. “I’m going to track the cloaked figure who entered the city before us. I’m certain they murdered that nobleman at the marketplace. But I’m probably being baited into a trap. Their wearing a strong and unique smelling cologne, which is preposterous for an assassin. Unless they wanted to be found. Every beastkind could smell that a mile away. The other explanation is that their working with the beastkind, alerting them to aide and allow them to kill select targets…but if I ignore it. I willingly risk others lives...I have enough eating at my conscious." He said staring at his blade while muttering his last words, clenching his paws.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

What if those people are Nazis? What if those people tell their children they are going to burn in hell if they love someone of the same sex? What if those people think grabbing a woman by the pussy is awesome? I'm totally ok with 'excommunicating' them and they are welcome to 'excommunicate' me. Fuck those people.

Do I think you should never talk to a conservative? Obviously not but I don't have a particular moral obligation to include them in my life either (although I sometimes have a professional one).

@Penny

So the Nationalist Socialist Party. Most moderate Muslims. And Bill Clinton? :I

So, a particular moral obligation to "include" them in life. So, if any of your family or friends were to be right leaning. You'd consider it you doing -them- a favor, like your forgiving them for their sins. Sounds rational to me. Professional sounding too. :I

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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As far as I know, "YouTube's HQ is in California, so California laws apply across the platform" isn't a valid excuse, because the California law regarding secretly recording people doesn't explicitly mention transmitting the recording.

@catchamber

Nah, that's not how the law is applied. I know that for a fact. And besides there'd be plenty more videos than that getting the can, if that was the case. Even so, twitter, facebook and all the other subsequent bans and suspensions are just coming from bias. (unless this is agreeing with such. Like I said friend/not paying the slightest bit attention, only on here when he's texting.)

@Dynamo Frokane Your memory sucks worse than mine does. You actually kicked me because, you mentioned one person didn't wike me much. And I pointed out the dude has been nothing but an utter tool to me. And you basically white knighted. Youtubers never entered the conversation. It was you spending a lengthy time criticizing me, basically for no particular reason. And you got mad because basically all I did was verbally shrug my shoulders at you. :D

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

You can't just re-apply meanings to terms because it sounds better, grow up.

Also you are not the governing body on when a criticism becomes a 'slanderous character attack' and where that line is drawn. Its just your subjective feelings about who you think 'deserves' criticism more, which un-suprisingly doesn't hold up.

@Dynamo Frokane

...Aren't I older than you? <.<

Yes, I'm smart enough to know what is a criticism is. And what the difference between them are, but also don't need to use them in every sentence. And just because I'm feeling snarky.

>*kicks you out of discord because you hurt my feelings* "Now I showed you whose the mostest maturist!" ;-;

(Yes that's spelled wrong on purpose.)

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane I'm assuming your arguing to be contrarian, because if I know you are but what am I is the best you got. I'm good. But it doesn't matter who it is. If I'm talking to you, but say @Harbinger can't talk about dogs because he's a cat lover. Same rule/fallacy applies. Yes I occasionally call things ad-hominem, when its just slanderous/character attack. (like it's any better.) But in this case you're incorrect. And I'm pretty sure I'm one of the very few people that ever uses the Strawman Fallacy in the proper context.

@catchamber It was a one party consent state, in a place with cameras everywhere since it was an event. The claim, I think was privacy...and Steven even went as far as to re-upload with blurry faces. But yeah it's pure blatant hypocrisy and I hope Prager and anyone else who has the money and balls sues the shit out of youtube.