SleepingSilence

The Savage And Subservient (SleepingSilence x KatherinWinter)

@KatherinWinter I understand her character. But you're telling me, you don't understand what I'm making her do. But it's not me, it's Bastian. Player knowledge, not character knowledge. Yes, I know and you know that maybe she wouldn't be able to do the hard task given to her and that it may not be the smartest decision and a rash move.

So what is Bastian? What is his thought process? That's the disconnect here. I perfectly understand why you're character is doing what they're doing. But you seem to be confusing, my actions and Bastian's actions.

If the actions don't seem rationally and substantiated enough. Don't just go, well I, in real life, certainly wouldn't do such a thing. Ask a different question.

Is Bastian, someone who is impulsive and often unself critical, who sees more than what Elizabeth sees in herself. (or at least tells himself that, since you look like his previous wife.) Having one single lead, narrowed down to one location and one building. In the entire expanded world, so all you need to do is find a human to go there and find ONE person, even assume it's as she given the nickname. Cuts 50% of the people in the building, if not more. Because tell me how many women are in highly illegal gambling rings. And once finding that person, likely getting the most clues you've ever had to find the thing that Bastian considers his only true reason to carry on. Someone who you know/think changes their appearance on the spot, magic we've already establish can change and alter speech. So photo's and sketches or whatever, wouldn't be practical.

Does asking her to go in a building and find this person and trick her into going where Bastian can legally go, so he himself doesn't get in trouble. Not make sense, for his character?

If Elizabeth, not you, who doesn't understand Bastian. Then have her start asking questions..."Why do you trust me to do this? This may be your only chance to find the person that knows your kidnappers!? What if she leaves and I miss her? It will be my fault." "What should I ask? Will they even talk to a lowly slave?" I mean, seriously. There's many ways for this to go down in IC.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane Again, be wrong about me for my sexual preferences and mock it. I've been to enough schools to deal with that, doesn't quite have the same punch. Or be wrong about lecturing me for being the better man that doesn't prejudge others using identity politics. Can't, okay you can and are, but you cannot do both without looking foolish...

You brought up biological sex and the LBGT movement in a conversation on traps. That was on you.

Yes, a pattern of someone, anyone following me to a creepy obsession and being bitter and obnoxious to me for the sake of it. If a rose by any other name is just as malarkey.

My history of spelling mistakes? Please, elaborate. Go through every post you can, show me my spelling errors that I have left, right and center. Do go on...can't just spew shit without proof...okay you can and are...wait I did this already.

I'm not going to lie, I was half convinced you'd get butt hurt and scream "DON'T INSULT MY FATHER!" at a Monty Python quote. Already showing improvement. Maybe one day emoticons and their mere use will no longer get your panties in a twist. Well at least here in the U.S, they won't be arrested for jokes. ^-^'

Though, again might I add. I know you said all jokes aside. But may I remind you, I've long stopped taking any conversation here specifically seriously.

Remember when I, or Odin (which for some reason you used to make your case.) Both stated politics rarely actually get discussed here and you whined about it and said both of us were overstating it. Pepperidge Farm remembers...

INB4: You take that seriously, and forget the bored fulfilling sarcasm admitted on my part, a mere sentence ago.

The Savage And Subservient (SleepingSilence x KatherinWinter)

@KatherinWinter Well maybe the hinting you're doing is simply too subtle and indirect...

You thought that the tunnel and woman acting suspicions was going to turn out badly. As did Bastian. But he said himself, there wasn't any other option...(whether true or not, that didn't actually get questioned by Elizabeth. You didn't outright make a suggest, to someone use the fog against them, honestly I don't even see how that could be interpreted from the passage in question.)

And I clearly explained what the fog was afterward. And I didn't really actually see you describing in IC what you are in OOC. Elizabeth had no clear plan or suggest about the fog in question. (Or really what else to do...)

Like I don't understand why'd you design a character in IC, that can't and won't speak up for herself. Doesn't seem to know anything Bastian doesn't. But are concerned that her direction isn't being followed? She hasn't given any direction...

And I'm perfectly fine with not needing to plan everything. But when you state, "It's impossible! Elizabeth can't enter here!" in OOC. Instead of, maybe having Elizabeth be scared and not want to enter there. Or the many options to solve, you not putting your character in that scenario, through IC interaction.

Because, she can go there. You just oppose it, because you think it could potentially lead to extra suspicion and that it may take a lengthy time given your character.

Well, if that does happen, more drama and that can't be a bad thing. But this is also, his only active lead. And he can't legally enter there. What, realistically, can Bastian do? Is my character acting out of character? Is yours for following orders?

You'd said what he can't do now. He wouldn't be able to remove the collar realistically. And its fine if he doesn't know that. And she likely can't/won't be good at communication with other like-minded criminals and people she'd reasonably seen all the time in prison/previous slave work. Though that depends how her prison life was like.

Like I'm genuinely wondering if you're getting upset with my character in IC, vs anything I'm actually doing. Because you had similar concern sparked, when he didn't actually have information on those who kidnapped him and was doing work that seemed to stray from his main task. Like it was somehow, a mistake I've made.

No, both were plot related, and one has been made clear by now and its perfectly in character...

What Are You Listening To?

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

>Criticizes someone's grammar

>Proceeds to make grammar mistakes and butcher punctuation

>For good measure, insult the person and their whole country but hide behind a thin veil of humor with a Monty Python reference to avoid ban

Hyuck, goteeeeem.

btw totally not mad

@Pepperm1nts

No, ya see. I crossed it out. Also I specified obvious mistakes, like repeating words twice and misspelling words which can't be snarky on that can ya? :D

Also...

>Criticizes someone for jokingly mentioning someone's grammar and spelling

>Proceeds to blanket statement without elaboration, while themselves ignoring obvious truths and uses text shorthand. Butchering the English language themselves.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

The Savage And Subservient (SleepingSilence x KatherinWinter)

Well I had a couple of ideas in the tunnels <Snipped quote> I was planning a trap but that didn't work out. When I asked if the things Bastian were seeing were illions caused by the fog I had an idea to use that to reveal alittle of Liz's past but it was all internal and had nothing to do with the fog. I dropped hints in the IC. I do not plan out the story ahead of time. If I have an idea I will hint at it through the character's thoughts or actions. If my partner follows than I will develop the idea. If not I let it go. Yes the beastkind I introduced could return but he won't. There is no point.

@KatherinWinter

Okay, I'm under the assumption since I asked to bring up every other time, that one example is your answer. So you're saying I ignored that in IC. So let me bring your post and mine, side by side. And I'll examine that.

Liz frowned at how the woman was talking to Bastian. The beastkind wasn't stupid. Maybe rash but not stupid. Rash maybe but not stupid. He survived in a world that she barely understood. She didn't like the way the woman treated Bastian but she didn't care say anything. It was the first time that her status, rather than her lack of courage, stopped her from doing something. Liz mught not be able to stand up for herself but she had stood up for others in the past.

She reached out and touched Bastian's paw. She didn't know much about magic but she could see that the woman's magic was similar to his. But she didn't think that meant that she was on there side. Liz hesitated a minute before expressing her concerns. "Bastian what did moving the horse and wagon accomplish? The guards will know you have it. I don't know where this tunnel goes. Do you?"

They couldn't really afford the delay but something wasn't right here. Liz didn't know what it was. She thought they needed to stop and evaluate the situation. Moving the wagon accomplished nothing as far as she could see. It only delayed them which couldn't be a good thing. They needed to be ready for whatever was at the end of the tunnel.

@KatherinWinter

What this post did:

1. First paragraph is just character building and your character's own thoughts.

2. The character expressed mistrust and uncertainty of the women's behavior and action. Which makes rational sense, though you describe her as naive. (I suppose it would be strange if I also didn't acknowledge this in IC.)

3. And asked a question about the tunnels and made a statement about the guards. (So for me to ignore this in IC, I'd have to not acknowledge as a character that a question was asked/statement was said, right?)

The fog pouring from the tunnel’s exit, growing thicker like standing beside a blazing fire. The direction it headed was obscure as the woman’s explanations. Bastian looked down at Elizabeth, blinking, not knowing how to answer that. He was aware “Peddler” was a seldom used code name, for his beastkind friend. A well kept secret, meaning the assassin had to know him well enough for that. The sole reason for coming down here relied upon how much his friend allies could be trusted. His instincts were poorly balancing on a fine wire, high above the ground, wavering the longer he stood around. Only staying confident that he had made the correct decision, from his refusal to be wrong. He smiled at her, looking at the assassin, giving her a reserved stare.

“Although it remains speculation on my part. I’ve been told before that the assassin guilds have allied themselves over the past decade, which lead to them combing their resources and wide access to underground pathways. Impressive underground tunnels that are interconnected and span across multiple forts, towns and cities. Removing mountain ranges and heavily dense forests, large bodies of water, structures and the rest. Greatly reducing their travel times over what would be considered long distances...the guards in the city aren’t actually concerned with me, if anything they’d be interested in my knowledge of this place-” Bastian explained.

“And ya betta keep ya trap shot.” The woman scorned, rhythmically tapping her foot. One, two three times, growing further irritated, wiggling her fingers and toes. She stormed over and picked up her crossbow of the floor, and briefly aiming it toward Bastian, her arm fully extended, promptly pointing it at the entrance. “Ya know, I wahz only instructed to keep ya alive and take ya near the whoresis. Do not test me.”

“Maybe it’s pointless to ask questions. Clearly this woman isn’t mentally stable, leaving may be our better option...” Bastian thought clenching his paws, despite feeling disappointed in his own grumpiness, bitter as a lemon. Merely nodding and offering to take Elizabeth’s hand, before stepping through the fog and only time would answer where they’d eventually end up...

@SleepingSilence

In my post:

1. Very 2nd sentence acknowledge the uncertainty with the women's intentions. And my character later makes it clear he's on a similar page to Elizabeth.

2. In the very 3rd sentence, I acknowledge that she asked Bastian a question and he didn't know how to respond.

3. Goes into detail about, "where the tunnel may go" "guesses its purpose" AND "mention the guards, that Elizabeth were concerned about"

What, exactly was ignored here? What did I miss? I'm seriously asking this.

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That the thing you wanted to do, you decided yourself wouldn't work? If you thought that, I won't question it. But how is what you decide my fault here? You don't want to bring that character back, because there's no point. But you can easily make a point for him. There's a plethora of ways, I could see that character coming back in a realistic way. I don't think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is particularly helpful in terms of roleplaying. And again, if you have an idea even if it's a vague one. And you need to be certain about every idea before it unfolds in IC. You can ask me to tell you what I have planned...and I'll answer. Put a suggestion in OOC, I'll talk about it.

There's not a single time I've ever ignored the content of your IC post. I've read every, single, one of them thoroughly.

I'm sorry if you think ideas you subtly want to introduce, happen to be taken in another direction that you didn't expect. If non-linear story telling is an inherently bad thing. But it is absolutely not from me ignoring your posts.

The Savage And Subservient (SleepingSilence x KatherinWinter)

@KatherinWinter Okay now. Can you be more specific and show me where you had given ideas in IC and how they didn't work? Accusing me of ignoring something, is a strong one without giving me actual examples...

I'd hope, after doing this with me for so long. You'd be able to communicate this straight away, if you think there's a detail you mentioned that I didn't seem to pay heed to.

I didn't ignore the current information, you never told me it. The collar thing was not mentioned when he first saw her, that I remember, which is where he probably should have seen it. But I was aware, that a collar existed...

If you're talking about the character you introduced. I didn't ignore him at all, we had a character interaction. Just because it didn't go smoothly, doesn't mean in OOC that I didn't want that character to exist...and he didn't die. He can always come back. <.<

So was there anything else?

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And the path I want, is to carve our own path...I guess we'll have to deal with this OOC, before we go into IC.

Because, you're doubting yourself that you aren't contributing enough. But also somehow seem to think I'm stopping you from doing so...So, I'm really keen on figuring out how this is a problem. So it can be fixed...

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

Sounds very similar to the experiences of the LGBT that you would discard as 'special snowflake' the irony is delicious here.

Not that I give a shit, my brother is Asexual, but he doesn't have your crippling arrogance to to try and lecture people on what orientation and attraction entails for the rest of the population that isnt like him.

On to traps, itd be hard for you to grasp this concept, not because you are Ace, but because it requires a level of nuance. My point is that orientationans depend on perception and no biological sex.

Im sure there are some female celebs you find attactive, and you probably find them attractive from signifiers of femininity, which are obviously extremely more common, but not completely exclusive to the female sex. The reality is, any of the women you (or any other straight guy) find attractive could actually be a biological male. And you might never find out.

Nobody gets aroused by someones Y chromosome or lack therof. You are attracted to what you percieve. And by that same reality, if you percieve a trap to be woman, can you really be called gay?

Think about that one hard for a moment, and try not to get upset, we are just talking about hypotheticals here.

@Dynamo Frokane

*Tries his best not to bring up the repeated grammar and spelling mistakes. Like really obvious ones!*

Yes, clearly I'm the one judging people merely different than I. (And not pointing out that unlike Progressives, I don't used identity as a weapon. And use labels that don't actually mean the same thing to everyone else, making them practically meaningless.)

If you didn't care, you wouldn't have brought it up, and then judge me on that I couldn't judge attraction based on it. Do you you even read what you type? :)

The term Traps are not related to transgenders either. So you're beyond disingenuous for trying to mix them up into the LBGT group.

There is a biological sex. Speaking bluntly. You're an idiot. It's not arrogance to know that things are not commonalities. That's called being in reality. Try it some time.

Edit: Also while I'm at it, your country sucks too. And your father smelt of elderberries...

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The Savage And Subservient (SleepingSilence x KatherinWinter)

@KatherinWinter I mean if you had to, I felt as if you could have given me all that detail in OOC earlier. Or have an outside conversation, with NPC's. But it's okay, and known now. It's not like it's unprecedented. He makes impulsive decisions, and clearly it isn't going well for him...

And like I said, if slaves are considered useful. She could go in that place, and claim "I want a new owner, he's the worst to me, I seek the one that changes appearance to hide from the one I have. Please, change my appearance." if she couldn't reasonably think of that as a character. And the irony of Bastian assuming she's special, when she actually apparently has no particular talent. Balances perfectly fine with his overpowered-ish character. I don't have a problem at all with that narrative. You're doing perfectly fine, I just hope if there's any suggestion you have that you give it. I want this to be fun for both of us.

And well he's already changing as a character, though slowly. He is unself critical, that's a hard trait to have with change. And possibly soon, change that's not for the better. But I do have something in mind plot wise and even possibly romantically related, with the curse. If it goes down that road.

If you think she's so timid/fearful that she wouldn't do this without Bastian near her. She did just see a dead body and a guy being curbstomped. You can talk to Bastian and build character and their relationship that way. There's options. You don't have to follow my characters actions, or even the plot lined out, if you have a better idea. (Like if you wouldn't see how you could find the bladed beauty inside there, for your character and don't want that option to happen without the character getting more concrete information...have two people start having a conversation out of a window near the buildings of the alley. Lucky and odds broken enough for people to give description of the bladed beauty. Talking about how hot she was, mention her hair color and that she did great work on his cousin.) Whatever it is, if you think of something. It's a story were both crafting. It isn't something that needs to be perfect. Just go for it, and I'll likely be able to mesh with it just fine.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

I was referring to the cost of higher education here being scary.

@Penny

Yeah. It's still stupid for not making a lick of sense. <.<