So why is there so much drama over what I said, while also sort of ironically taking offense to a statement that "hey, maybe some fucking people take themselves, a little too seriously."

Well. I think people have made pretty clear they are making these replies because they think your reasoning is flawed. Kind of like how I did.

EDIT: Actually I'll shut up now. Prolly just adding fuel to the fire.

Stop playing the victim.

Okay, I'm not bothering to reply to you anymore with this statement, because this is like talking to a brick wall. I'm not calling you anything. Stop doing the same to me for fuck sake.

You played victim in the very first reply. Give me a break.

Edit: Also admitting to outright ignoring things I asked, oh yeah, that seems reasonable and not one-sided. Always worthwhile when you debate someone and they outright don't try to counter any points and just say. "I already know my opinion is fact." It's mature and not ironically incredibly pretentious at all. <.<

Actually I'll shut up now. Prolly just adding fuel to the fire.

It doesn't help that I'm not being personal and my opponent is. (well wasn't previously.) It's not a flawed opinion...it's just an opinion. It's flawed because either you didn't read it right. (like most people that did reply.) Or because you haven't shared the same experiences that I had to draw me to that conclusion. Which is perfectly reasonable. My opinion wasn't people that make sample posts are Satan. But from my experiences, they often seem pointless in the grand scheme of things. And the people I've dealt with, forcing them upon others come of as pretentious, to me and just me.

Also I'm fine with what you said, my comment was meant to be playful. We didn't start the fire, it's been burning since the world's been turning.

I guess, I'm just not allowed to share a negative sentiment on here. <.< I won't make the same mistake again.

It's not a flawed opinion.

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Wait what? Since when did me or anyone else say that? I said I wasn't going to reply, but this is an issue I can't let slide.

What I said is that people find your reasoning flawed. Of course an opinion can't be wrong, but the reasons for said opinion could very well be more based on emotion rather than fact and people are free to point that out. Change comes from discourse, and if a lot of people have discourse with you, you're either about to bring a big change or should reflect back on your theory.

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Wait what? Since when did me or anyone else say that? I said I wasn't going to reply, but this is an issue I can't let slide.

What I said is that people find your reasoning flawed. Of course an opinion can't be wrong, but the reasons for said opinion could very well be more based on emotion rather than fact and people are free to point that out. Change comes from discourse, and if a lot of people have discourse with you, you're either about to bring a big change or should reflect back on your theory.

My reasoning isn't flawed on how I reached my opinion, in fact it makes perfect sense...you could almost say, it's how I reached my conclusion that I will likely think your pretentious if you tell me my writing is too flawed when you won't be perfect either. All this shit about "i never said, or bob never said this, or how all people aren't like this" Has nothing to do with my original statement. So everyone that made it be about everyone, or themselves missed the point entirely. :I

@ArenaSnow I again, have 5 people, clearly all involved with one another, trying to all repeat the same points. Instead of letting a conversation not feel like I'm getting dog-piled. I really do feel like I'm discussing politics.

So I think all four paragraphs of that can be boiled down to, "A CS isn't good enough to show their writing abilities and a thousand word sample post will somehow show how good a roleplayer that person is." So I ask, why if someone wrote ten paragraphs of backstory for their character. And it was written perfectly fine. That another thousand, will somehow make the difference?

I don't really think it will. I agree that CS's aren't perfect and often seem forced and flaw in their own ways. 100%. Though a sample post, likely the only post the GM or they will ever care enough to make sure has no mistakes. It still doesn't show if that person will remain active, or will be able to read other posts effectively. Or interact, or not have a shit fit if something goes different than they expect. Or improvising skills. Etc. etc.

Do you think it's still necessary to ask for a sample post, if they already have a back catalog? I'm asking a lot of questions here, but every single one of them, thus far has been completely bypassed. :I

Feeling dogpiled is not my concern, and is yours alone. If you really have such a problem with multiple people not agreeing with you, you can always move to another thread. Or, I guess, you can continue to bitch about it in the bitching thread

You don't need a 1000 word sample. 300 words is typically a decent offering from me anyways and is quite enough of a sample to introduce the concept of a character, combined with a character sheet that is also not a wall of text. Neither section has to be particularly long, simply having both is more thorough. There is no 100% foolproof way to screen a player, but there are ways to reduce the chances of getting someone who won't give a damn after 5 posts.

I think a moderate size of both is optimal, CS to describe a character physically and note the experiences they draw upon, and a sample to give people a taste of the character itself.

Oh, and about the conspiracy theory. I don't think I've ever roleplayed with any of the gents that are agreeing with me in this conversation...

I admit to having ties with Inkarnate. Rest of y'all are total strangers.

I admit to having ties with Inkarnate. Rest of y'all are total strangers.

I also once RPed with Elvenqueen, but that’s really a stretch of “ties”. Also, pretty sure you arguing with me that I was being a jerk a few months ago shows your impartiality in the matter.

Spoiler alert: 3/4 people in this topic are the exact same person.

Guess right and you win a lifetime supply of Tupperware. Guess wrong and alpacas will eat your hair off your head.

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I also once RPed with Elvenqueen, but that’s really a stretch of “ties”. Also, pretty sure you arguing with me that I was being a jerk a few months ago shows your impartiality in the matter.

We did? O.o welp, I totally forgot that, my apologies! XD

Spoiler alert: 3/4 people in this topic are the exact same person.

Guess right and you win a lifetime supply of Tupperware. Guess wrong and alpacas will eat your hair off your head.

Not like I like my hair anyways, the alpacas can have it ;)

We did? O.o welp, I totally forgot that, my apologies! XD

Star Wars. Dingo's version of the Mandalorian Wars.

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Star Wars. Dingo's version of the Mandalorian Wars.

Ohhhhhhh! Yes I remember that now, was a shame that one died, I liked it ;-; ah well, such is life!

Ohhhhhhh! Yes I remember that now, was a shame that one died, I liked it ;-; ah well, such is life!

If you want to do a 1x1 or something sometime you should hit me up or don't and make me sad forever.

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If you want to do a 1x1 or something sometime you should hit me up or don't and make me sad forever.

hehe well, as soon as I'm not running around like a headless chicken and I got more time to take on another RP I shall be sure to remember that!

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Feeling dogpiled is not my concern, and is yours alone. If you really have such a problem with multiple people not agreeing with you, you can always move to another thread. Or, I guess, you can continue to bitch about it in the bitching thread

You don't need a 1000 word sample. 300 words is typically a decent offering from me anyways and is quite enough of a sample to introduce the concept of a character, combined with a character sheet that is also not a wall of text. Neither section has to be particularly long, simply having both is more thorough. There is no 100% foolproof way to screen a player, but there are ways to reduce the chances of getting someone who won't give a damn after 5 posts.

I think a moderate size of both is optimal, CS to describe a character physically and note the experiences they draw upon, and a sample to give people a taste of the character itself.

I guess saying, you're apathetic to doing it, is better than outright denying that's what's going on? Call that progress. I think the irony of people bitching at me, I'm bitching at them is not lost. Again, this started from personal opinions that we're mistaken as broad personal statements.

-Like to point out briefly- To please provide examples of this not being the case, and I'll shut up. Someone getting 4-6 people all disagreeing with them at the same time, all liking their stuff to 'validate' their own shared opinions. While actually aggressively and admitting to ignoring the other sides points while also trying to argue with them. To ANY other person on this forum. I'll wait. You won't find it. At best you might get a two on one. If you search hard enough. <.<

Again, you like everyone else I replied to answered my personal experience and countered with your own. 1000 is what I'm used to seeing. 300 I guess is somehow going to show that someone can post in advance forums, where 300 words is barely anything at all and probably doesn't remotely reflect the actual word count of a real post of the RP they'll be in. The closer the sample actually fits standards of what you're expecting, I'd have to assume that's better in general. Yes?

But again, I dropped this because I'm not going to spend anymore time on trying to explain why an opinion can't be wrong and how I reached that opinion makes perfect sense. And all being snarky assholes about such a pointless discussion makes everyone involved the very words I was criticized for using.

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I guess saying, you're apathetic to doing it, is better than outright denying that's what's going on? Call that progress. I think the irony of people bitching at me, I'm bitching at them is not lost. Again, this started from personal opinions that we're mistaken as broad personal statements.

-Like to point out briefly- To please provide examples of this not being the case, and I'll shut up. Someone getting 4-6 people all disagreeing with them at the same time, all liking their stuff to 'validate' their own shared opinions. While actually aggressively and admitting to ignoring the other sides points while also trying to argue with them. To ANY other person on this forum. I'll wait. You won't find it. At best you might get a two on one. If you search hard enough. <.<

Again, you like everyone else I replied to answered my personal experience and countered with your own. 1000 is what I'm used to seeing. 300 I guess is somehow going to show that someone can post in advance forums, where 300 words is barely anything at all and probably doesn't remotely reflect the actual word count of a real post of the RP they'll be in. The closer the sample actually fits standards of what you're expecting, I'd have to assume that's better in general. Yes?

But again, I dropped this because I'm not going to spend anymore time on trying to explain why an opinion can't be wrong and how I reached that opinion makes perfect sense. And all being snarky assholes about such a pointless discussion makes everyone involved the very words I was criticized for using.

Well, I suppose I'll leave it at this. Logical discourse is unlikely to occur here it seems.
-Not sure what the mysterious "it" you refer to is that I am apparently so apathetic to doing.
-I never said this was anything beyond a personal opinion. My take was to simply counter your opinion with my opinion and why it is what it is.
-I need not prove anything, considering you seem to be constantly shifting the premise. I'm just trying to present an opinion without resorting to ad hominem (though I must admit it can be fun to use it).
-You are not being countered on your points because you are simply ignoring and shifting our responses while not being very clear to present your own points.
-I didn't ask for any likes, nor have I given any likes or thanks to any posts on this conversation. As far as I'm considered, it's irrelevant to the conversation. If your intent was to present your case, you'd ignore it too.
-A sample is what you make of it. Post as many words as you like or don't.

Ah, right, back on topic. This conversation is why I think the internet is a conversation cesspool, filled with echo chambers that are usually resident in one's own head. >.>
^first passive aggressive bit from me, which I can't say about you. And, to be fair, others who have participated in this conversation.

'Irony, irony irony. So much irony.' - Paraphase
^first passive aggressive bit from me, which I can't say about you. And, to be fair, others who have participated in this conversation.

Or, I guess, you can continue to bitch about it.

There's no way you could of typed that with a straight face, I'm thoroughly convinced you are trying to stir shit now. -.-

I'm glad it's fun for you people to use ad-hominem attacks. I find it tiring. I don't like sounding like complete prick. Unless I'm trying to be funny. >.>

Of course an opinion can't be wrong,

An opinion can be and almost always is wrong when it is not based on fact and is devoid of reason. At that point it has become a belief.

@j8cob While a true statement, that opinions can try to present themselves as fact and they certainly aren't. It's harder to argue over subjective opinion, not trying to call itself fact. Like can you say what is and isn't funny for instance? With 100% logical reasoning. Not really. Sort of where we're going with this. Or at least I was. <.<