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But I understand what you're trying to say. Maybe it would be fun, or enlightening for you to do a little digging to actually know what you should/would consider yourself. :3


I'll have to consider it, I don't believe that any label ever completely describes someone of course. Maybe I should just stick with being a human :)

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On an unrelated note, I just had a lovely conversation with a lady who proudly declared that all African Americans should go back to Africa and live in horrible poverty until they can appreciate that 'we' (by which I assume she meant Anglos such as herself) let them live here.

Didn't solicit this conversation, just volunteered all that. Wow.
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On an unrelated note, I just had a lovely conversation with a lady who proudly declared that all African Americans should go back to Africa and live in horrible poverty until they can appreciate that 'we' (by which I assume she meant Anglos such as herself) let them live here.

Didn't solicit this conversation, just volunteered all that. Wow.

Damn, that's a blunt thing to just spark up a convo with. Did this lady know you?
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On an unrelated note, I just had a lovely conversation with a lady who proudly declared that all African Americans should go back to Africa and live in horrible poverty until they can appreciate that 'we' (by which I assume she meant Anglos such as herself) let them live here.

Didn't solicit this conversation, just volunteered all that. Wow.


I'm not sure what's weirder -- that such a conversation just randomly happened, or that it happened on the anniversary of Malcom X's movement (which called for the same thing, but obviously for completely different reasons)
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@mdk It was a pretty random reaction to telling her I was an immigrant, she asked on account of my accent. I'm not really sure what she expected me to take from it :P
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Damn, that's a blunt thing to just spark up a convo with. Did this lady know you?


No she was just a random I was helping, clearly she had been drinking.
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it happened on the anniversary of Malcom X's movement (which called for the same thing, but obviously for completely different reasons)


I wonder if she saw something about that on the news and just put it in the most racist possible terms? Is that something the news is covering?
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I wonder if she saw something about that on the news and just put it in the most racist possible terms? Is that something the news is covering?


Not that I've seen. But then that probably wouldn't be on the BBC radar anyway.
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Eh? Trump turned China against the DPRK, (partly) by destroying the Syrian chemical weapons program over dinner. I'd call that a difficult leadership situation and a home run.


That has been going on for quite some time. Shit, Xi Jinping hasn't even met with Kimmy III, and the latter has been office since, shit, five or six years ago wasn't it? That's a situation delivered to him on a silver platter. Hence why I used the Cuban missile crisis as an example, something that actually requires political delicacy.

Well personally the one major thing I could see stopping Trump from reelection going to war or continuing all the drone strikes. It certainly drew a lot of ire from his own side from the attack that wasn't explained. Also I'd consider both of them to be utter disasters. (and Obama literally pretty much did everything Bush did but worse.) But I guess throwing that aside.


Eh... I have a bad feeling that shit is normalized by now.

Also, I never voted for Obama, but the idea that he was worse than Bush is pretty silly. The Bush years started the Middle Eastern kerfuffle and then watched as an unregulated banking system mishandled housing loans, causing the second largest economic disaster in American history. Obama just failed to step down from the war ledge Bush walked onto and got tangled up in healthcare. Obama was a pretty average President really. I mean, if you go through a history of Presidents you'll find Obama level fuck-ups for most of them, just not so often Bush level fuck ups.

Do you think he'll be elected regardless of success? Because we can't seem to just elect someone once and switch them out? "We need 8 yearz bruh!" mindset that we almost seem cursed with two term presidents. Like whether I like someone or not, I'm really certain having two term presidents are particular helpful to them or us or the country. It's pretty obvious being president drains your mental and physical health, and most people can't deal with that pressure. So doesn't it kind of seem like were giving these people a well paid death sentence? Among other things. <.< I dunno, maybe that's just me.


Hell, he took the job, the effects of it on his health is on him.

The two terms thing is interesting. It could just be that shit candidates run in off years? I dunno. I don't think it is as hard a rule as we make it sound though. If it's true that the good candidates don't want to run against incumbents in normal times, Trump might break that pattern by virtue of being the beast that a bunch of candidates want to make a name defeating.

Fuck if I know though, I'm just spitballing. Trump is a bizarre phenomena.
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That has been going on for quite some time. Shit, Xi Jinping hasn't even met with Kimmy III, and the latter has been office since, shit, five or six years ago wasn't it? That's a situation delivered to him on a silver platter. Hence why I used the Cuban missile crisis as an example, something that actually requires political delicacy.


Well TBF I haven't seen a whole lot of delicacy from Trump in any situation ever. But the shit he's doing certainly seems to be working -- China's turning back DPRK coal and taking ours (and our beef); Qatar is in the ringer for terror support, Assad's chemical weapons (which Obama "handled" delicately) are crippled, etc etc.

You're right that if something big happens and Trump fucks it up, that would be bad -- but you could say the same for any incumbent ever, there's been no indication (other than angry tweeting and pretty much every aspect of his persona) that Trump's in any danger of having that happen. His record is kinda spotless and full of winning atm.
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Fair enough, though I wasn't making the argument against it. So I feel like it wasn't too necessary. But yes whites shoot people, but it's mentally fucked in the head people we're usually dealing with. And that goes into mental health more than anything else.

I don't want to aggravate this any more since it's a whole new hole to tumble down and I don't really have an educated opinion on it so I'll concede it too.

Ah. Still seems like a negative stereotype.

It's not really, and even if it is that doesn't change the fact that when seeing someone like that I can draw some instant conclusions. Even off of your "non-serious" point you kind of go along with what I'm trying to say by saying that white ones are usually desperate and overcompensate when trying to go into this culture.

Citation needed? :3 *I spent a lot of time writing things but I deleted it. Dieting doesn't help the brain process things I've learned. :D*

Lynn, Vanhanen, Kanazawa with books like the Ten Thousand year explosion. It's also pretty evident when you just look at who emerged with farming and nomadic rather than hunter-gatherer societies first.

Fair enough, but again. Whose silencing stuff like this? A race? No, a political ideology. Which I argue has caused a lot of the problems.

That doesn't change the fact that we can't really speak up and the books/studies published by this side are proverbially lynched from the get-go and half the time there aren't even publishers willing to distribute them on the grounds it's raycis. It's not hard to be right when you confiscate all of the other side's shit.

Guilty until proven innocent? I can tell you that doesn't fit western views. (though you're not from here, so that probably means nothing.) But yeah, I just agree to disagree with that ideal. I understand where your logic comes from, but my brain just will never work that way.

Your loss. I've been taught to be a calculating and paranoid bugger from day 1 which has served me well.

Doesn't help when you applied it to yourself, my man. XP

But yes, that happens. Usually by privileged class white people that project their feelings to things, they actually care very little about. But I'm repeating myself.

I mean, I did it in part because I get tired of pushing aside the claims. If people want to bitch and whine and push these buzzwords at me then so be it, I've had it happen too much to give a shit.

My predominantly white schools absolutely sucked, and was full of pieces of shit. And I highly preferred my predominately black school, many who were at least much less spiteful people. And my non-ghetto friends pale in comparison (and having an actual spine.) to how close I've become to them and the things they've experienced and took in stride. (Everyone that I've meet and spent time with, are far less spineless than people seem to think they are. Including my family. <.<) But I guess anecdotally, both hold about the same weight of the real world as a whole.

This is also more likely to do with culture preference and models, if one is over-exposed to a single cultural group - especially if it is usually designed for older/more mature people to be emulated - they will most likely come to resent it and find relief in another somewhat "rebellious" one.

Believer of? (I mean I guess it's sort of obvious. (ignoring the 7 billion different denominations.) But I guess I'm not fully sure what that means either.)

From my country to faith, it kind of sucks being irrelevant/unheard of.

Old Believers are pretty much the only Orthodox Christian branch/sub-group that isn't some unheard of cult or syncretism. It happened when a few hundred years ago there were differences in rite between Imperial Russian as well other Church Slavonic texts of all sorts and the Greek ones used outside of Eastern Europe. The Emperor wanted to close the differences between the Greeks and his subjects/diaspora so he ordered everyone to switch to the Greek way which was supposedly right and the Eastern European one was attributed to failures in translation and just overall differences appearing over time as is supposedly natural. Some people stayed with the old Rite and the Emperor issued a repression on them, thus many fleeing to either the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth where they couldn't pursue (Belarus being in the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth at the time) or to live with the Cossacks which were free of most Russian laws.

Of course, later research vindicated us since it actually came to prove that we had rite based on Older Greek texts from Constantinople and such that the Greeks did not have, thus proving us, more or less objectively right. So thus came the name, "Old Believers." Reconciled means that we've accepted the Apology of the mainstream Orthodox Church but keep on with our rite.

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Well TBF I haven't seen a whole lot of delicacy from Trump in any situation ever. But the shit he's doing certainly seems to be working -- China's turning back DPRK coal and taking ours (and our beef); Qatar is in the ringer for terror support, Assad's chemical weapons (which Obama "handled" delicately) are crippled, etc etc.

You're right that if something big happens and Trump fucks it up, that would be bad -- but you could say the same for any incumbent ever, there's been no indication (other than angry tweeting and pretty much every aspect of his persona) that Trump's in any danger of having that happen. His record is kinda spotless and full of winning atm.

China probably knows that nothing tastes better than Trump Steak.
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Someone who eats steak well done and with ketchup is a monster by definition.
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China probably knows that nothing tastes better than Trump Steak.


I'll take mine Pepe Rare.
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I don't think war is ever really normalized. But I know a lot people are uninformed, so they don't know about it and only will if the news covers it. So maybe there's not enough outcry every time a solider is killed. But when people do know about it, they often have negative reactions to it.

humblelibertarian.com/2011/08/bush-20…

cann0nba11.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/1…

activistpost.com/2011/04/10-reasons-o…

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Bush presidency. But I don't think it's silly. Bush 2.0 is basically extremely accurate. (Read the links. Or at least skim them plz. :P)

Also I think Bill Clinton was responsible for the housing market crash. (or at least was the one who started the fire.)

investors.com/politics/editorials/sor…

cnbc.com/2016/05/28/are-the-clintons-…

I'm honestly expecting for the left side and right side to make the exact same arguments against Trump, and I mean the EXACT same ones during the 2020 election. (Which will make that year possibly just as unbearable.) Because politicians don't seem to learn from history. If Trump isn't called racist or sexist even once during the 2020 campaign by people running against him, I'll *insert absurd thing here*. <.<

Hell, oddly enough I think Kayne if he ran for the left/third party, may get him a stupidly high chunk of the minority vote...(if he could manage to even take the campaign remotely seriously.)
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It's not really, and even if it is that doesn't change the fact that when seeing someone like that I can draw some instant conclusions. Even off of your "non-serious" point you kind of go along with what I'm trying to say by saying that white ones are usually desperate and overcompensate when trying to go into this culture.


Eh, different places. Word might mean something different over there. Don't have much to add here that wouldn't be repeating myself.

Lynn, Vanhanen, Kanazawa with books like the Ten Thousand year explosion. It's also pretty evident when you just look at who emerged with farming and nomadic rather than hunter-gatherer societies first.


Something that goes through that book you mentioned.

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That doesn't change the fact that we can't really speak up and the books/studies published by this side are proverbially lynched from the get-go and half the time there aren't even publishers willing to distribute them on the grounds it's raycis. It's not hard to be right when you confiscate all of the other side's shit.


Well it doesn't happen here, yay free speech. (Though people will try.) But I understand that other places don't have that and people in this country don't know how good they have it.

Your loss. I've been taught to be a calculating and paranoid bugger from day 1 which has served me well.


Everyone in my life kept telling me I was paranoid, right before/after they sticked a knife in my back. And in hindsight I'm pretty sure I've been being gaslighted for a decade and half. <.<

Sure, I suppose being optimistic, hasn't helped me much in my life. But if I ever was actually paranoid, I don't think it would of actually benefited me. <.<

But that's neither here, or there.

I mean, I did it in part because I get tired of pushing aside the claims. If people want to bitch and whine and push these buzzwords at me then so be it, I've had it happen too much to give a shit.


#HowTrumpWon

This is also more likely to do with culture preference and models, if one is over-exposed to a single cultural group - especially if it is usually designed for older/more mature people to be emulated - they will most likely come to resent it and find relief in another somewhat "rebellious" one.


Like every atheist teen that has Catholic parents. (Though them seeming to have a fetish for people going to hell. So frankly I don't blame them.) And guilt tripping people like that is precisely why I/my family no longer went to church. <.<

But in all seriousness. I don't think rebellion had much to do with it. Mostly me just learning, there's good and bad everywhere. I never tried to change myself on purpose. I got into parts of other cultures, books, music, art etc. But didn't ever stop me from enjoying my own.

From my country to faith, it kind of sucks being irrelevant/unheard of.

Old Believers are pretty much the only Orthodox Christian branch/sub-group that isn't some unheard of cult or syncretism. It happened when a few hundred years ago there were differences in rite between Imperial Russian as well other Church Slavonic texts of all sorts and the Greek ones used outside of Eastern Europe. The Emperor wanted to close the differences between the Greeks and his subjects/diaspora so he ordered everyone to switch to the Greek way which was supposedly right and the Eastern European one was attributed to failures in translation and just overall differences appearing over time as is supposedly natural. Some people stayed with the old Rite and the Emperor issued a repression on them, thus many fleeing to either the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth where they couldn't pursue (Belarus being in the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth at the time) or to live with the Cossacks which were free of most Russian laws.

Of course, later research vindicated us since it actually came to prove that we had rite based on Older Greek texts from Constantinople and such that the Greeks did not have, thus proving us, more or less objectively right. So thus came the name, "Old Believers." Reconciled means that we've accepted the Apology of the mainstream Orthodox Church but keep on with our rite.


Okay then. Glad to learn about something. I literally just watched like a 2 hour debate of religion last night, so I sort of had it on the brain at the time.
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I don't wish to get in a full blown political debate, again. I just ended all the other ones...but I'll reply to what you sent to me.

We know what was and was not read based upon his interviews. He never knows what he's talking about, and he's often confused. He's been stated to be factually wrong/lying 3/4ths of the time, compared to Hillary Clinton's 1/4th of the time, and while you might think Hillary's is bad, that's actually normal for a politician.


Normalizing lying is something I'll never do in any circumstance. Also Hillary is not only a liar, but more likely a compulsive one...(first video is part of it.) So it's a little scary to even think she lies “1/4” of the time...If that's from like polifact or something...(that site is horrible bias and often wrong.) But if those are just random numbers. I think one thing you can't say about Hillary, is anything regarding her ever telling the truth.







Like I said, I'm independent. I try to look at both conservative and liberal views. Seth Myers is obviously a liberal, however the video itself used its source verbatim. Can't really argue with that.


Well that itself doesn't mean it can't be wrong. But like I said, if that's something that happened. I agree that isn't something I approve of.

Obama took away Coal jobs, because it's environmentally harmful. Yet he also official (according to the treasury) brought us out of our economic recession and gave us millions of jobs in other areas.


Okay, let me just quickly debunk that. (Because he did not do that.)

washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/30/…

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John Oliver never said it was cheaper. Just cleaner and more effective.


The major problem is most 3rd world countries and poorer communities rely on cheap energy...trying to force people to use energy sources that aren't effective as the current sources. You tell me which green energy light bulb doesn't suck ass, and I'll worship the ground you walk on. And like I already said, green energy will always need the other one to back it up.

newsweek.com/whats-true-cost-wind-pow…

and you should never listen to someone who is biased. It's why I am an independent.


Everyone has a bias, so that in of itself is impossible. You should listen to as many people as possible. And what you just said is contradicted by Seth Myers being liberal and you listening to him. :P

I'm sorry but I haven't seen convincing cases for green energy.

As far as Coal jobs go, my point is this: New energy such as Solar and Wind, while they aren't perfect, are in fact, the future. Coal hurts the environment. It is literally helping lead to the deaths of our kids and grand kids, to the earth shutting down as a planet, and perhaps the end of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of future jobs so we can have some jobs now. People who are for coal just want things 'now now now' and fuck the consequences.


That argument is a “think of the children” fallacy. People trying to force green energy on people who can't afford it, actually is doing what you fear “will” happen.

I think you and most people into the climate change sphere are being alarmists. And unnecessarily so. They never want to actually give us an answer how we can “solve” this problem, it's another problem that “has no solution or clear ending point.” which sure is politically convenient...

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Something that goes through that book you mentioned.

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I mean the article is alright but I disagree on some parts. In South Africa and Rhodesia end of apartheid was the worst thing imaginable. The differences inherent in various groups should also not be dismissed; for example an employer faced with two identical candidates can always have a fall-back on racial traits, not to mention that a landlord should most certainly be able to decide who lives on their premises based on them. It also goes above and beyond justifying nationalism (even though that needs no justification).

Well it doesn't happen here, yay free speech. (Though people will try.) But I understand that other places don't have that and people in this country don't know how good they have it.

Actually it does. For a start books are frequently banned from being taught at universities.

Everyone in my life kept telling me I was paranoid, right before/after they sticked a knife in my back. And in hindsight I'm pretty sure I've been being gaslighted for a decade and half. <.<

Sure, I suppose being optimistic, hasn't helped me much in my life. But if I ever was actually paranoid, I don't think it would of actually benefited me. <.<

But that's neither here, or there.

I suppose that is a fundamental difference which we can't really agree on.

Like every atheist teen that has Catholic parents. (Though them seeming to have a fetish for people going to hell. So frankly I don't blame them.) And guilt tripping people like that is precisely why I/my family no longer went to church. <.<

But in all seriousness. I don't think rebellion had much to do with it. Mostly me just learning, there's good and bad everywhere. I never tried to change myself on purpose. I got into parts of other cultures, books, music, art etc. But didn't ever stop me from enjoying my own.

You don't try to change yourself on purpose but nevertheless over-exposure will make you have an aversion to certain things.

Okay then. Glad to learn about something. I literally just watched like a 2 hour debate of religion last night, so I sort of had it on the brain at the time.

Well with context you don't seem creepy.
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