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I still want to do Ju-V, but if people aren't feeling it with PRCU still being a thing, I would understand, but I think that would be great. People could make new characters if that feels better? I know I was toying with having Calli be in it or not.

Again, I just would not want to do Zelda. Please do not make me do Zelda...
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There are still quite a few people who have yet to decide on their status regarding PRCU, myself included. But if PRCU does continue onwards, I personally don't have an issue with Ju-V being ran alongside. Perhaps to lessen the blow of "uncomfortability" should PRCU still happen, Ju-V could require a different cast of characters, like @PatientBean mentioned. Of course that would cause issues with those who want to/might bring back their PRCU characters for Ju-V, such as potentially myself with Haleigh, but it'd break some of the linkage between the two RPs. I've got ideas to work with if that ends up being the plan.

And yes, no Zelda RP, please. Despite being a fantasy nerd, Zelda has never been a strong series that I've been interested in.
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I've been chatting with @Hound55 and have left him a sizeable discord message for him to wake up to (good morning Hound! How are those timezones working out for ya?) but ultimately if people still want to move forward with Ju-V, I'm looking at doing so but retooling the premise to keep the tone distinct from PRCU, and wouldn't be accepting PRCU sheets EXCEPTING EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES (SORRY). If you want to play your PRCU characters, PRCU is right here.

So I guess watch this space and, pending discussion of my proposed rework, I'll still look to get something out (or close enough for Hound to finalise and get out) before I leave for 2000Trees Thursday.
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I'm looking at doing so but retooling the premise to keep the tone distinct from PRCU, and wouldn't be accepting PRCU sheets.


Could always combine Ju-V with that "escape the facility/runaways" idea you guys were thinking on.
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If you want to play your PRCU characters, PRCU is right here.



Outright telling us we can't adapt our characters is your choice to make, but its not one I feel is remotely fair. I'll see myself out.

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Could always combine Ju-V with that "escape the facility/runaways" idea you guys were thinking on.


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I've been chatting with @Hound55 and have left him a sizeable discord message for him to wake up to (good morning Hound! How are those timezones working out for ya?) but ultimately if people still want to move forward with Ju-V, I'm looking at doing so but retooling the premise to keep the tone distinct from PRCU, and wouldn't be accepting PRCU sheets EXCEPTING EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES (SORRY). If you want to play your PRCU characters, PRCU is right here.

So I guess watch this space and, pending discussion of my proposed rework, I'll still look to get something out (or close enough for Hound to finalise and get out) before I leave for 2000Trees Thursday.


Disappointing to reject characters that we have made because of their association with a dying rp right out of the gate. It's a weird alienation of your core demographic, and is not very convincing in trying to get me to continue with an RP that was abandoned just because the GM has returned and "might" continue posting sometimes, maybe.

Let me know if anything comes of this. This flip flopping to appease someone with one foot out the door is getting old.
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But if PRCU does continue onwards, I personally don't have an issue with Ju-V being ran alongside.


My thoughts exactly! I'll take any reason to get more writing in.

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Allllllllright...

Oh God, I find myself in another of these goddamn posts where I start it with an "Allllllllright..."

Sorry I've been so hard to get a hold of at the worst possible time - just flew back last night (obligatory 'and boy are my arms tired') and my daughter had her 2 week check-up for the stitches she had the other day, from when I spent a full day in Hospital with her (and wasn't that a fun side bottle-episode of our lives...) Anyone wondering, she's fine and it was one of the biggest "this could have been done so much easier in a video call" meetings I've ever had in my life.

To me, I feel no ownership over your characters. If you want to submit a sheet which is heavily inspired - Hell, a damn duplicate - of what you submitted to P.R.C.U I have no intention of rejecting any of those sheets purely on those grounds.

That said... I'm going to raise a few points.

1. Ju-V, assuming this is the chosen game going forward - exists in a different alternate world from P.R.C.U. Which means established in-game continuity... unless you for some reason seem intent on going in depth to recreate the story/history your characters had in the P.R.C.U game (which seems a Hell of a lot of trouble to go to, personally), it's non-canon.

That doesn't mean you can't play a character which was the same vision as you designed... just the events from post 1-one hundred and ninety-whatever aren't a factor.

What you bring in here, you bring in here. What happened there, happened in that world.

In other words, your character did not merely transfer over from P.R.C.U of that world... it's a whole other world. If your character's backstory in the CS suddenly shifts to "and then they transferred to the Ju-V program, from a strange and shadowy unnamed Canadian Academy school..." well, OK, but let's understand, there's no pre-existing relationships with other characters within Ju-V based on the events of P.R.C.U and let's not be shitty or snarky for shitty or snarky's sake. I get on pretty well with everyone I've spoken to here, and if you feel otherwise it's probably because neither of us have ever bothered to try talking to one another before. I'm a pretty easy-going guy. So if for no other reason than keeping me from addressing "So what exactly did he mean by that?" questions ... as Banjo would say "Aww mate. Don't be that prick."

2. Yes. That means I will continue with making Ju-V should there be demand for it.

BUT


I'd like to raise and draw more attention to the following quotes/points/comments, and hope people will go with me on this...

First:
-I've given it a lot of thought and I would like to continue with P.R.C.U. If it's dead, it's dead and people have moved and that's fine and that's my fault. However, I'd like to keep this going. Many of you have noted the amount of work put into the front end of the RP, and it's true. This is a passion project designed for the long haul. That said, as the past month has shown and knowing what I'm expecting in the fall, I can't possibly promise or guarantee a post every fourteen days. So if we move forward, it will be without the post deadline in place, it'll be suspended and people will be responsible to post in their own time.

-There will be times when I will be hands-off and have to leave you lot to almost sandbox, this will be especially true in November and December I would imagine. However, I have no idea what to expect when the baby comes, so I'm dealing with a lot of uncertainty. But what I want to communicate is that I'm not abandoning this project, however, it might not have a consistent or regular pace. It will likely be feast and famine and if that doesn't work for you, I completely understand.


This, to me, suggests an intent for the P.R.C.U game to continue LONG TERM which to me fills a core demand for most of the issues at the time.

I acknowledge a doubling down on there being a time where there potentially being lengthier times between GM based posts...

BUT


The recognition of "times when I will be hands-off and have to leave you lot to almost sandbox" itself suggests that in these periods there will be less reliance on awaiting a GM post to further post, and the players ourselves driving the pace.

Which I would say, most would probably say has - if anything - been a strength of the game. Player-generated enthusiasm driving a high quality pace and momentum.

And that's even before we get to:

In other news, @Roman is officially coming aboard as Co-GM for P.R.C.U., to both give me accountability and in the event I am unable to post or push the plot, Roman and I will both have the plot details and the ability to drive things.


This means - to me at least - a few things.

1. When it IS necessary for GM-based posts to further drive plot, there is a second person with more stable time to do so.

2. In my own experience, if for no other time than from the past few days working on this, Roman's presented himself as very much a stabilising presence. Especially compared with myself. I may get excitable and... all over the place.

To me this addresses the main concerns I've heard pretty much across the board from the people I've spoken to. Maybe there's others beyond, but those've yet to be voiced to me.




So...

You might ask yourself, well, if that's the case then why:

2. Yes. That means I will continue with making Ju-V should there be demand for it.


Well, in my own words to @Roman earlier to when I said I'd still be willing to run it parallel to P.R.C.U continuing - "I'd feel worse offering people a life raft, and then getting back on the ship".

I have this weird thing, where if I say I'm gonna do a thing. And people respond in a fashion after I make that statement... well, I feel obliged to do it.

I've attempted to make an argument to reason above as to why I think continuing with P.R.C.U is the way to go, if you're still of any mind to be involved with such a game. But there's one thing that can't account for, and that's hardened feelings and beliefs.

Maybe someone "feels" a certain way about Wraith, or maybe someone "believes" that the changes are too little, too late or some variant. There's little I can do to appeal to something like that.

But what I CAN do is continue to do what I said I would, and provide a long term game of a similar setting which won't re-tread the exact same grounds, but would still allow them to play characters with some of the same player base should those people choose to join.

But a few reminders... This will not be PeeArrCeeYew: An Original Game brought to you by Non-Wraith as sold in ALDI Supermarkets. I'm not backsliding, regardless of what pressure I get put under. The same weird sense of principle I have that would have me running this game to the best of my abilities, is the exact same one which wouldn't allow me to do that.

I'm weird like that.

And if I feel it's getting too close anywhere I'm liable to Zag just off principle.

If I wind up with a handful of people choosing this game purely because they feel a certain way about Wraith, I would be disappointed, but I'd continue running the game.



But the obvious thing to point out...

If you're looking for a game which is like P.R.C.U...

With a player base of P.R.C.U...

With the incredible world-building setting of P.R.C.U...

And with the carefully constructed character interaction that we the players of P.R.C.U actually put the time and work into place...

I mean there's an obvious solution.

The infrastructure is all in place, and there's now a second in place to ensure it doesn't fall to neglect when life inevitably - and as a father, I feel qualified to say it is indeed inevitable - takes hold.




To address my own analogy, I never got off the ship in the first place. I'll still continue in both, should the demand for Ju-V still be there and it becomes its own thing. But I do hope as many of you stick around in P.R.C.U as possible. If for no other reason than I've been enjoying writing that stuff which is there with you lot - which is part of how this whole thread came into being in the first place.
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I just want to write with y'all. That's been my main thing since this whole thing started. I like the idea of Ju-V and, hell, I have been wracking my brain and I kind of like the idea of Calli being in it (though I would tweak some things and I recognize anything she did in PRCU is null in this new setting).

My only snag for PRCU was that I was under all impressions it was ending and I made peace with that. Should it not be ending now that we have Roman adding his own awesome-ness to it, then I am just tingly all over that I get to be a part of two great stories.

But ONLY concern (and please feel free to assure me it's invalid) is that with some people opting out of PRCU and going into this new game (and vice versa) that there will be some type of 'my rp is better than your rp' feud. I truly don't see it happening, but I can't help but have it in the back of my mind.

With that being said, you dorks are stuck with me, so you better enjoy it!
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I'm going to be honest. Between PRCU and this thread/RP, the GM/roleplay decisions are really starting to feel like this:



One person says one thing and takes it back later. Alternatively, one person says one thing while another says something totally different. It's starting to get frustrating with how back-and-forth this is becoming.
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I'm going to be honest. Between PRCU and this thread/RP, the GM/roleplay decisions are really starting to feel like this:



One person says one thing and takes it back later. Alternatively, one person says one thing while another says something totally different. It's starting to get frustrating with how back-and-forth this is becoming.


Part of that is that I've been extremely difficult to get a hold of for the last 24 hours.

Beyond @Roman's timezone and mine being at a point of difference where we're only both on at the same time by my clock at about 11pm-midnight and 5am-6... there's everything I've had to do at the airport and doctor's making me pretty much incommunicado.
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But ONLY concern (and please feel free to assure me it's invalid) is that with some people opting out of PRCU and going into this new game (and vice versa) that there will be some type of 'my rp is better than your rp' feud. I truly don't see it happening, but I can't help but have it in the back of my mind.


There's zero animosity between the three people running the two. I can tell you that much.

What happens with players within, I can't dictate.
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Hound...... for the sake of all things holy, just get the RP up so we can apply..... please.
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But ONLY concern (and please feel free to assure me it's invalid) is that with some people opting out of PRCU and going into this new game (and vice versa) that there will be some type of 'my rp is better than your rp' feud. I truly don't see it happening, but I can't help but have it in the back of my mind.


There's zero animosity between the three people running the two. I can tell you that much.

What happens with players within, I can't dictate.


Basically echoing this sentiment. I've worked closely with Roman and Hound from basically Day One on PRCU and I fully support them creating a second game. While I won't be participating in Ju-V so I can keep a focus on PRCU, I have no animosity toward it and look forward to reading it and seeing what everyone gets up to.
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Would like to open another question up to the floor, since it's you folk who'll be playing this game, and in the Interest Check we've been working on, we've left it open to ask you lot...

Where would you initially like this to be geographically set?

Los Angeles? Chicago? New York? It's not multiple choice. Up to you, the player base.

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Hound...... for the sake of all things holy, just get the RP up so we can apply..... please.


We're getting there...
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Well, the Discord Server is in place (as barebones as it is at this stage - bring your own milk crate to sit on). Anyone who requires an invite who I missed, please let me know, and understand the oversight wasn't intentional.
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You people are relentless...
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I'll just throw out some of the few locations I've heard so far. See if we can reach a consensus here, whilst I'm still working away at the game sheet and Zero-post.

So far I've heard:
San Francisco - Re-purposed, refurbished Alcatraz
Detroit
Cleveland
St Louis
Dallas
Minneapolis
San Antonio
Austin
Baton Rouge
Jackson, MS
Boston
Richmond
New Orleans - Zoldyck said he wants Mardi Gras to be a factor. He wants beads and tits a-kimbo.
Hawaii
The Appalachians - Which, if I were going to make it work, would be some built up population somewhere nearby - so, probably Pittsburgh

As well as the ol' staples New York, LA and Chicago.

Just worth thinking about. I'll drag this into the Discord as well, but yes, if you lot could settle on a consensus for city, whilst I'm working on the Zero post and Game sheet... that should keep us all on task.
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