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@Necrodancer Great post! A divine structure built by a god directly is only 1 to 2 con and not 3! Paths are free!
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pssst, I hid the last oopsie in the character tab
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@POOHEAD189 it wasn't as important so I didn't say anything heh, the IC blunder was much worse!
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Due to a point raised by @Timemaster I am going to rule the following: Any divine gifts or blessings of Surreal tier require a cost every time they are applied, however for Hazy tier blessings/gifts, a one-time cost 'unlocks' them and renders them free to give out in the future. The same goes for curses/blights as well.

Of course, Lucid tier is always no cost.
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@Shovel Indeed, all mundane animals were spawned during the fight between sarhush and saries, so one can reasonably assume that sea creatures also exist. Now, how well they have adapted to the nearby corrupted ocean is another thing entirely... @Cmmelody


The sea creature are more aggressive during normal time, they will revert beck to a calm state during the clear ocean. The marine life with god's blessing or patron's power will be more immune to corruption, to what extend is up to the blesser. By the way, I imagine the clear ocean water as well as uncorrupted fish might be in some of the alchemy formula, to the annoyance of those poor alchemist . Maybe the corrupted water and fish would even be in another separate formula....
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Does The Spark affect only future generations of mortals since it's meant to be something they're born with, or would some of the already-alive ones that had been around for a while suddenly find themselves obsessed with something, and quite good at it?
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@Legion02 Also, does it affect *all* mortals or just all ur-humans?
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@Legion02 Also, does it affect *all* mortals or just all ur-humans?


The intention is that all sapient mortals can gain a spark. They do have to be sapient. Excelsis has no interest in creating genius animals. However, I do wish to note that sparks are rare things. I abhor putting a number on it but basically in a sizeable city it is very possible that 3 generations come and go without a spark-blessed mortal being born there.

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Does The Spark affect only future generations of mortals since it's meant to be something they're born with, or would some of the already-alive ones that had been around for a while suddenly find themselves obsessed with something, and quite good at it?


I'll ask Vec actually first to see with how much he'll let me get away with. Because I did see an earlier ruling stating that any blessing of surreal level needs to be redone over and over.

My intention would definitly be that some people of the current generation first get the spark. Then people are born with it. But I'll put it before Vec and let you know the ruling!
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I don't agree with Legion's summary of it being 'in-domain but extreme'. The Spark is, arguably, borderline out-of-domain due to the fate-manipulation aspect. I'd recommend either removing the challenge-creation mechanism or reworking it, if you want it to be still 2 Conviction.

If you want to keep it as is, however, I would say it deserves to be upgraded to Nightmare tier because it's introducing a fundamental reality-altering system (fate/challenge-scaling) that affects how events unfold. Nightmare tier is for "actions that fundamentally alter reality's rules or introduce cosmic-scale threats. (Which in this case would be 3 Conviction and 100% Turbulence)

If you leave it as is, I would also allow it to affect all sapients currently in existence, since it would be a significant enough action to warrant this. If you leave it as Surreal (after removing the fate stuff) it will only affect latter descendants and not current humans.

The talent/obsession/transformation parts are fine—it's specifically the "subtle forces made by the larger Spark blessing" that crosses into territory Excelsis hasn't established authority over just yet.
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So, respectfully I do wish to argue that Excelsis directing challenges towards the Spark-gifted is within Excelsis' domain. His description says: Doing so requires catalysts in the form of trials and tribulations. Excelsis is not shy about throwing these challenges at the sparks if he has to.

While I agree that he has no actual say over actual Fate, I meant it more that he created a new metaphysical force that could be mistaken for fate which simply very slightly manipulate things around a Spark-chosen so they encounter a challenge. So I do think that his creation is a Surreal one of 2 Conviction.

If you stand by your ruling, I'll accept it but then I'd ask for a day to think what I would do (remove the subtle forces part and let it be Surreal, or keep it as a 3 conviction nightmare move).
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@Legion02

I re-read your post and had an interesting idea on how we could go about integrating all this without having to alter it too much. See your DMs as this might potentially count as spoilers.
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No cat posting for a few days from me, as I am going to be very busy with work. Keep up the good work everybody!
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@Cyclone@Timemaster Tagging you guys cause you were interested.

The Spark is now a metaphysical artifact (Nightmare level powers but reduced cost due to being in domain). It'll still have ripples and consequences. Not to mention that, should gods so desire, they can look up and even take the artifact. Right now the artifact is "given to the world".

That being said, all effects now also influence the current generation of mortals. Have fun with it you guys!
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TIME TO HAVE SUPER INTELLIGENT WORMS
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Worm war!!!
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I wonder how this 'draining the oceans' thing will go when one dear earth god realizes he just accepted his caverns being flooded with water corrupted by Yzechr
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I thought about this, and actually, he's surprisingly chill with it haha! Realistically, it's not like none of his caves were flooded by the ocean beforehand, it's that there's a few (a lot) more of them now.

Now whether he fully grasped all the possible future consequences, well, that's another matter. Gotta leave some surprises for the future after all :3
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You guys see Zee's post? The cat understands the evils of the water, because he is a wise lord. This is why Sarhush had to drain it.

The aftermath isn't depicted IC because Sarhush and Khthon are underground and don't go up to investigate what happens, but I'm imagining that the world goes from being covered by 80% water to something like 20%. What's left is continuous land that has big lakes and inland seas rather than an endless ocean with occasional islands.

Perhaps Yzechr's curse no longer affects all water and is confined to one of the remaining seas (and perhaps concentrated and made permanent, if it can't wander about the whole ocean anymore). Just an idea; I'll leave that to Vec and Cmm to establish if they want to go with it.

I'll probably draw a map of the world soon if nobody else wants to. It'd be useful for placement of mortal civilizations.
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@VecWell, with how the water world seems to be more and more interesting, I would like to throw my hat in the ring as a squid guy.


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@Shovel It's good. Go ahead and post whenever you want :)
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