[OOC] The War of the Three

[Lucius Cypher]

@Awesomoman64

Butt the important thing is, do you wanna do it? Do you wanna do us, Maaaaan?

[TheWendil]

Almost all the characters who are giving up on the war/desperately trying a new angle are collectively doing so because they're tired of getting their shit wrecked by Vassals and Vassal-tier threats who are above the scale allowed to PCs. Henry, Fran, and Miyu's reasons for going "well, this is pointless" can basically be summarized Juno and a little bit of Eos.

@The 42nd Gecko

Vassals weren't supposed to be a thing in this RP. But then Hoho showed up. And then Titanica wanted to be a character. And then things rolled from there. It happens. *Shrugs* The only ones that should be in combat are Juno and Titanica.

I maintain that the worst thing to happen to this roleplay, was when Juno showed up, and half the playerbase suddenly jumped in power to try and fight her, and the other half stayed true to their characters, resulting in basically halving the pool of people who could enjoy fighting each other.

Juno's an interesting character, but she wrecked the power balance when she showed up.

@The 42nd Gecko

Meh. KoL wanted to use a character. Can't deny a GM their fun. And it's not like Juno hasn't improved in the long run or been barred from entering battles.

[TheWendil]

@The 42nd Gecko

I also don't see how Eos contributed to everyone throwing a hissy fit.

[The 42nd Gecko]

@TheWindel Miyu was done after getting toasted by Juno twice (I consider being throwing into mines and spikes as much her fault as Ni-Mu's), while Juno and Henry got toasted by her once, and then by Eos once, and then gave up.

[TheWendil]

Miyu was done after getting toasted by Juno twice (I consider being throwing into mines and spikes as much her fault as Ni-Mu's), while Juno and Henry got toasted by her once, and then by Eos once, and then gave up.

@The 42nd Gecko

As I recall, Henry was able to do a number on Juno as well. As for Eos, Henry sat down and cried in front of her.

[Lmpkio]

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Vassals weren't supposed to be a thing in this RP. But then Hoho showed up. And then Titanica wanted to be a character...

@TheWindel

Correction:

I've initially pondered the idea of her being a character as a joke. But then you guys came to me and basically said, "Hey, that idea's actually entertaining. Let's invest in it." and I was like "Oh uh... OK, sure." Sooooo yeah. I thought a character like her wouldn't be a thing...

_{Then again we do have a literal Kermit so...}

[KoL]

@The 42nd Gecko

I'll be sincere. Just as I said before, the way I introduced Juno to the RP was the worst possible. There was a lot of drama going by on that time and I'll not excuse myself from the part of the blame that's due to me. Regardless of that she improved a lot.

That's also the reason why I made a point of never using Iona until this battle, and her sole purpose was to guarantee that Titanica behaves herself. Harley's group are meant to be bosses, if that ever comes to pass, so they are supposed to be defeatable when the time comes for them to take action.

Hohenheim is just an observer, though. She exists to deliver acidic comments about anything and anyone but she's not a threat in battle unless someone goes really out of their way to annoy her.

The power escalation never was our intent, but... certain things led to it and I'd better not poke these issues now.

As for Eos, I was just trying to give the Machina one well deserved victory and had to use way more power than wished to with her (you saw how much I tried to avoid it). But I'll leave their fate to themselves, now. She only used that much power because there was a squad of overly powerful 'no-sell everything' characters on that battle.

[KoL]

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Correction:

I've initially pondered the idea of her being a character as a joke. But then you guys came to me and basically said, "Hey, that idea's actually entertaining. Let's invest in it." and I was like "Oh uh... OK, sure." Sooooo yeah. I thought a character like her wouldn't be a thing...

_{Then again we do have a literal Kermit so...}

@Lmpkio

Yeah, but you are still in a real need of learning moderation with all of your characters, not only Titanica. When it gets to the point of we having to interfere to take your characters down at every battle it really gets problematic.

No one is supposed to die everytime, but fair play is fair play and no-sell people's attacks is really irritating.

[TheWendil]

Correction:

I've initially pondered the idea of her being a character as a joke. But then you guys came to me and basically said, "Hey, that idea's actually entertaining. Let's invest in it." and I was like "Oh uh... OK, sure." Sooooo yeah. I thought a character like her wouldn't be a thing...

_{Then again we do have a literal Kermit so...}

@Lmpkio

Meh. We try to be fair and not discourage people's ideas for a character. If it makes sense in the context, it makes sense.

[The 42nd Gecko]

@TheWindel Henry was unable to land so much as a scratch on Juno. Juno only took a hit after she herself got distracted and got hit by Grafdakka. As for Henry crying against Eos, that was after we were told "No, you can't win, go home" in "your character will be permanently deleted if you stay" terms.

@KoL I maintain that the "meaningful victories" marker is at:
Machina: 2 (Regardless of who had bastion for one third of a fight, they got her back. And then they won the Ruthria-Alt-Signia-KC-00032 chain)
Angels: 1??? (They supposedly got a boon from Honenheim, but the only people who have actually been receiving battlefield applicable upgrades from her is the Machina, and the "everybody who lived can ask for a boon" gift that everyone got)
Demons: 0 (Arcadia was literally pointless, Bastion was recaptured before she got to do anything for the demons)

[Lmpkio]

@TheWindel@KoL Makes sense. And don't worry about all that interference. I've gotten the hang of her and won't need as much interference as well... before.

[KoL]

As for Henry crying against Eos, that was after we were told "No, you can't win, go home" in "your character will be permanently deleted if you stay" terms.

@The 42nd Gecko

Let me remember you that this only happened AFTER you all asked for a chance to leave the battle and turned on your backs as soon as Eos offered said chance to retreat. You asked to leave, I allowed you to leave, but then you go out and throw a tantrum because you were told to leave? What's the point?

[TheWendil]

@TheWindel Henry was unable to land so much as a scratch on Juno. Juno only took a hit after she herself got distracted and got hit by Grafdakka. As for Henry crying against Eos, that was after we were told "No, you can't win, go home" in "your character will be permanently deleted if you stay" terms.

@The 42nd Gecko

Refer to KoL's above post about Juno and Henry. Refer to KoL's below post for Eos.

I maintain that the "meaningful victories" marker is at:
Machina: 2 (Regardless of who had bastion for one third of a fight, they got her back. And then they won the Ruthria-Alt-Signia-KC-00032 chain)
Angels: 1??? (They supposedly got a boon from Honenheim, but the only people who have actually been receiving battlefield applicable upgrades from her is the Machina, and the "everybody who lived can ask for a boon" gift that everyone got)
Demons: 0 (Arcadia was literally pointless, Bastion was recaptured before she got to do anything for the demons)

@The 42nd Gecko

The GMs are going by number victories, not "meaningful victories". Are you the only one following that count?

[The 42nd Gecko]

@KoL I wanted to leave and regroup. I was saying "Hey, everybody, let's pretend to retreat, and regroup outside and attack again". Aka, pulling Artoria's most historically successful "pretend to surrender then do something while the person you surrendered to isn't looking" maneuver.

And then you stated "If you leave the factory, the battle is over" and so we tried staying, and that didn't go well.

We wanted to retreat to outside the factory, up until the point you said "retreating loses the battle".

[Lucius Cypher]

Eh, ya gotta pick your battles Gecko. Unfortunately, this is another one we can't win.

[The 42nd Gecko]

@Lucius Cypher But I came here for endless senseless war.

[Lucius Cypher]

Sure sure, but there's better battles to be had. For instance, Fran's trying to give Miyu an opening to nuke Zeruel's army with whatever powers you got (I don't really understand them so I'll leave it to your digression). Or helping me plot how I can actually use Miyu, Henry, and Fran in my plans to conquer the Nexus. If you're joining my side, I expect ya to do some work too.

[The 42nd Gecko]

@Lucius Cypher Miyu's powers in dream land are basically "Really really really annoyingly good defensive/reflection suite". She doesn't have brute force attack power. Also, it was Zeruel's post next, unless I'm being an idiot and missed it.

[Lucius Cypher]

In that case in a show of friendship and cooperation, Fran will do her best to get hit by all the biggest attacks in Zeruel's army, and then run to Miyu to do her thing and bounce it right back in their faces. Teamwork!

[Lmpkio]

@The 42nd Gecko I'll be posting later today. I would've done it yesterday but I was recovering from a nasty sunburn and I was in bed all day. Should have one today though.