Underrated and Overrated Video Games

[Dolerman]

@Fabricant451

I know plenty of shit games with merits, in fact thats what most JRPGs are.

[Fabricant451]

Six isn't even the best one on the SNES.

[Fabricant451]

@Fabricant451

I know plenty of shit games with merits, in fact thats what most JRPGs are.

@Dynamo Frokane

I know you do, dude. You like HuniePop.

[Dolerman]

6 is the best entry and crystal chronicles is up there with it. Tactics too.

@tex

6 is debatable.

CC really isnt that good, it just has stellar presentation. The game is really repetetive if you dont have friends. And even then it gets pretty stale.

I still dont see what makes tactics better than any other grid based RPG. Its functional yes, but I'd still rather play Valkirie Profile

[Dolerman]

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I know you do, dude. You like HuniePop.

@Fabricant451

I do like huniepop, difference is, I have no issue saying the game is very simple and stupid, I just find it charming.

Its not enough for you to juat 'like' FF13, you have to do every charitable mental contortion to try and say its objectively a good game, which it just isnt.

[Fabricant451]

I still dont see what makes tactics better than any other grid based RPG. Its functional yes, but I'd still rather play Valkirie Profile

@Dynamo Frokane

Then you wouldn't be playing a tactical RPG so that's a weird comparison to make. What a missed opportunity for a Vandal Hearts pull

[Dolerman]

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Then you wouldn't be playing a tactical RPG so that's a weird comparison to make. What a missed opportunity for a Vandal Hearts pull

@Fabricant451

Valkirie Profile: Covenent Of The Plume is.....what then?

[Fabricant451]

Its not enough for you to juat 'like' FF13, you have to do every charitable mental contortion to try and say its objectively a good game, which it just isnt.

@Dynamo Frokane

Don't just take my word for it.

[Fabricant451]

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Valkirie Profile: Covenent Of The Plume is.....what then?

@Dynamo Frokane

Not the game you mentioned, for starters

[mickilennial]

Its not enough for you to juat 'like' FF13, you have to do every charitable mental contortion to try and say its objectively a good game, which it just isnt.

@Dynamo Frokane

And what factual, objective criteria is that you are measuring by?

[Dolerman]

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Not the game you mentioned, for starters

@Fabricant451

I'll need to borrow those tweasers after you're done picking nits with them.

Don't just take my word for it.

@Fabricant451

Ah yes the gold standard of big website reviews.

Yes all final fantasy games get consistently high game ratings. Including 10-2 which has a higher meta-critic score than 13.

Also remember that Tales Series that you don't like? Tales of Symphonia scores equal or better than 13 on damn near every site you listed.

I also think that 13-2 is an enjoyable game, and Famitsu loved it so much they gave it a perfect score.

You know what else gets high marks on IGN and Gamespot? Assassins Creed games and FIFA. These sites put too much stock into 'presentation' and 'legacy' over any sort of serious critique and you know it.

[Dolerman]

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And what factual, objective criteria is that you are measuring by?

@Inkarnate

Why are you answering a question with a question?

[mickilennial]

Because your use of objective is nonsensical and banal.

[Dolerman]

Because your use of objective is nonsensical and banal.

@Inkarnate

That works both ways you know, if my objective isn't any good then yours isn't either. And the debate ends there.

[Fabricant451]

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I'll need to borrow those tweasers after you're done picking nits with them.

@Dynamo Frokane

Not my fault you mentioned two titles from the PSX but actually were talking about a PSX game and a totally different DS game. That's not a nitpick. That's you saying a totally different game title.

Ah yes the gold standard of big website reviews.

Yes all final fantasy games get consistently high game ratings. Including 10-2 which has a higher meta-critic score than 13.

Yeah because 10-2 is a good game.

Also remember that Tales Series that you don't like? Tales of Symphonia scores equal or better than 13 on damn near every site you listed.

Does it, though?

IGN: 8.5
1UP: B+ compared to an A
GameInformer: 8.75
Famitsu: 34 compared to 39

Gamespot and Eurogamer are the two that rate it higher at 8.8 and 9 respectively.

But thing is: My not liking the Tales of series doesn't mean I think they are objectively bad games yet somehow you think FF13 is when evidence points to the contrary.

I also think that 13-2 is an enjoyable game, and Famitsu loved it so much they gave it a perfect score.

They also gave 13 a 39/40 so it wasn't like it was a massive jump.

You know what else gets high marks on IGN and Gamespot? Assassins Creed games and FIFA. These sites put too much stock into 'presentation' and 'legacy' over any sort of serious critique and you know it.

Or, here's a thought, maybe the games are good? Game criticism and publications don't just kowtow to the highest bidder and the fact that people still think they do or that they don't count when they review a game highly in a franchise is bullshit, especially considering the point of reviews aren't the number at the end.

[mickilennial]

The difference is I'm not calling anything objectively good and bad because I know what the word means and since you have no measure and criteria I'm correct in such deliberation that toy are just using it as a catchall.

[Hey Im Jordan]

Because your use of objective is nonsensical and banal.

@Inkarnate

i dont normally agree with you but yeah youre right.

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That works both ways you know, if my objective isn't any good then yours isn't either. And the debate ends there.

@Dynamo Frokane

he didnt even say objective my mans

[mickilennial]

Yeah because I'm not pretentious enough to claim a game is objectively bad without any criteria or measure. Hell, everything I've said in this thread has been subjective. Fancy that.

[Dolerman]

The difference is I'm not calling anything objectively good and bad because I know what the word means and since you have no measure and criteria I'm correct in such deliberation that toy are just using it as a catchall.

@Inkarnate

And I'm not calling anything objectively good either, so maybe you don't know what it means after all.

@Fabricant451

I was mentioning a series, if we are talking about games with black protagonists and I say I'd rather play GTA you'd be a special kind of moron to think I'm talking about GTA 1. So on the subject of tactical RPGs if I mention Valkirie Profile then I'm probably taking about the game in the series that's a tactical RPG. High level detective work I know, but you'll get your head around it.

Famitsu also gave Nintendogs a 40/40. Clearly other games have a lot to learn from this masterpiece.

I didn't say highest bidder, I said they put too much stock in presentation and legacy. You make the exact same argument when a Rockstar Game gets a 10/10 on the same big websites you are citing.

[Dolerman]

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i dont normally agree with you but yeah youre right.

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he didnt even say objective my mans

@Universorum

I wasn't referring to him specifically I meant 'mine and yours' as an expression.

And for the record I didn't say anything was objectively good either my mans. But feel free to gloss over that.