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I have strong opinions on this matter but I'm not about to voice them mostly due to lack of coherence right now.

What I will say is the lack of some social/personalization features as well as the sharp drop in average amount of postings since the guildfall pushed me away from the site to a degree, and forum roleplaying in general. It felt like months long writers block, and it has been miserable.

I do think it's kind of short sighted to say that the guild regulars will always be here and that's all that matters, shouldn't we want the guild to grow? get bigger? have more people, more creativity, more personalities and more day to day action? If the only thing giving people sticking power here on the guild are the friends and community they've had for years, that's not very convincing for new people to stay.
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Well, I'm not exactly popular here. I just know a couple of people, and haven't been in the publc eye very much. I was here before guildfall and have stayed from the time the site got brought back. I don't think it's necessarily accurate to say that popularity and relationships are the only reason old members have stayed.

I do take your point, though.
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Jorick said Your fanatical loyalty to Mahz is cute and all, but this is just plain wrong. Mahz is indeed a motherfucking adult who is capable of those things, but the argument being made here by the disgruntled folks is that he is failing in at least the 'taking responsibility' portion (due to the shitty condition of the site) and perhaps the 'making judgment calls' portion as well (due to him deciding to remain the only code builder of the site himself despite clearly not having the time or interest or whatever has kept him from doing it for months now). Every single soul on this site has the right to second-guess him, actually, because he's providing a service. It's called consumer feedback. Just because it's free (and by the way, this doesn't mean he's necessarily paying for us to have the site, he has ads on the thing for a reason) does not mean we have no right to say there are things wrong with it. If you were to ask for food and someone were to hand you a free rotten hunk of meat that does not mean you need to shut your fucking mouth and enjoy it just because it's free; you would be well within your rights to complain that it's a rotten hunk of meat rather than actual edible food. Same principle applies here, so please get off your knees and stop mindlessly fellating Mahz, thanks.


The flaw in that is simple. Mahz owes us nothing. We owe everything we have built on the foundation of his site to him. Everything. Every community. Every friend. Every roleplay. Every epiphany. Everything. If it happened on this site, that is due to him. The flaw is that you expect something for nothing from a man with a life.

How about you get off your self-entitled high horse and stop self-fellating. I am no fanatic, I am a realist. The pragmatic viewpoint here is that you expect too much for too little from a man with other engagements. You feel lied to? He feels guilty. You feel entitled? You're not. You feel you deserve better? You already moved on, so stop beating a dead horse. The world does not revolve around you nor any roleplayer on this site. Understand your place, Jorick. It might not be here anymore.

Some people have pointed out that offering help and constructive criticism to a free service is justified. That, in fact, is. However, consistently pestering someone over it is not. There are an abundance of problems, there are; everyone knows. However, again, free service. How about you assess those problems in, again as I said, a different thread to see which the community requests more, then work on it with more haste. That's constructive. Half the posts here aren't even near it. Additionally, if there were places or things that could be helped, then there would probably be a way to do it, but you have to keep in mind that help isn't just help. You have to have a level of communication, dedication, knowledge, skill, trust, so on and so forth. Working on a site, working on coding, integration, etc. is something that two heads can cause more problems with than just one slow one. To anyone whom replied with "constructive criticism for a free service", I aim you at this:

Prince said If you guys want to have different discussions, go make them. Go make them and have a constructive conversation over the site instead of debating over tangents on this one. That's not productive, its just circular debate where none of the Staff or anyone observing the thread can attain useful information by observing and assessing it. You all have voices to be heard, intellectual points to make. Go make them in way that will be intelligent, constructive and structured. What I see on this thread, at this point, is just pointless. The question was answered and beaten to death. Move on.


I gave detailed instructions as to how to go on being constructive. How to voice criticisms positively. Don't you dare think that I don't believe feedback is an effective, constructive force. A thousand eyes are better than one, and that's what we have. I never said a free service was immune to criticism, so not a soul here has the right to say I did. Whomever misquoted me, and you can boldly take this to heart, may go fuck yourself. If you quote me, you best use it in context and you best not only emphasize the parts you think are right or wrong. There is a cohesive whole and taking excerpts from it that drastically change the meaning of the text is detrimental and ignorant.

Saying the same thing a million times won't help anyone. Combating me, because I'm vulgar and tend to be insulting won't be either. I'm no paragon. I've never tried to be. I won't be, as a matter of fact. What I will tell you is that there are far more effective ways to do what you're doing, but you're not. As long as you're not, posts like these lose their value. If any of you were really interested in helping, you would have gone on to make your own thread, gather together a few people, and start assessing out the actual issues. That's effort. That's dedication. That's work, and that's the work Mahz has to do. If you want to help him, get off this thread, get off my back, stop sucking off Jorick and go DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE.
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My favorite part of the circle jerk is the guy telling people to fuck off when he doesn't realize he is the most important part of the circle.
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Azarthes said
My favorite part of the circle jerk is the guy telling people to fuck off when he doesn't realize he is the most important part of the circle.


First time I have ever seen the word circlejerk used outside of reddit. Wow.
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Draconilian said
First time I have ever seen the word circlejerk used outside of reddit. Wow.


That's the most impressive thing I've heard all day. I see it everywhere. Literally everywhere.
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That's the most impressive thing I've heard all day. I see it everywhere. Literally everywhere.


I guess I just hang out on very peaceful parts of the Internet.

Or maybe I've been on reddit so much that every website is becoming reddit. Why are vote arrows disabled here BTW? /s
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I am no fanatic, I am a realist. The pragmatic viewpoint here is that you expect too much for too little from a man with other engagements


If your a pragmatic realist then you would join us in saying ''If he does not have time on his own, he should ask for help''

That's the realistic view point. And its pragmatic as well, since pragmatism is about implementation of ideas in reality.
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Threads are allowed to go on tangents despite what a thread and topic's opening post may be. Why would you think otherwise? Whilst the OP's post may have been decidely extreme and worded poorly, it doesn't matter what that might be if the rest of the thread has evolved into a discussion of other merit. That being criticism of how and what the administration does to run the site. As ASTA replied to you before, Prince, it does not need a new thread when this one suffices perfectly.

That said, the particular elements that comprise the problems of this site has been mentioned enough times now (but that doesn't stop anyone from being able to post their own thoughts and feelings on the subject because why shouldn't they? If it shows that it's a big enough issue to a great number of people, hopefully some response from the administration can be gained from it). The main problems being: Mahz's general failings to communicate actively enough about what is going on with the site and his reluctance to look and accept help. The only way the discussion can really progress from here is for him to speak back to everyone and address his thoughts about these issues. Is he going to be more communicative or not? Is he willing to look for assistance with coding the site, or again not? Until these questions are answered, nothing's really gonna change with this site. And I mean, any response to these questions is fine too, if it's forward progression or a continuation of the status quo, or something else entirely, but a definitive answer would at least be great and put this topic and a lot of peoples concerns, for good or bad, to rest.

As far as Jorick goes, he's actually done more to contribute to this site then you might think or care about and most likely have ever done.
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Pachamac said
Is he going to be more communicative or not? Is he willing to look for assistance with coding the site, or again not? Until these questions are answered, nothing's really gonna change with this site. And I mean, any response to these questions is fine too, if it's forward progression or a continuation of the status quo


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My favorite part of the circle jerk is the guy telling people to fuck off when he doesn't realize he is the most important part of the circle.


I'd like to think of myself as the biggest dick in the circle. ;)

. If any of you were really interested in helping, you would have gone on to make your own thread, gather together a few people, and start assessing out the actual issues.


And instead of requesting permission to help, I offer methods for you guys to do it now.

Threads are allowed to go on tangents despite what a thread and topic's opening post may be. Why would you think otherwise? Whilst the OP's post may have been decidely extreme and worded poorly, it doesn't matter what that might be if the rest of the thread has evolved into a discussion of other merit. That being criticism of how and what the administration does to run the site. As ASTA replied to you before, Prince, it does not need a new thread when this one suffices perfectly.


Your lack of value to organization and focus is cute. ;) You're cute.

Mahz's general failings to communicate actively enough about what is going on with the site and his reluctance to look for help.


Busy man is busy. I also went over why "looking for help" isn't an easy endeavor.

As far as Jorick goes,


I was actually well aware of that list. But, as far as I go, someone should always play devil's advocate. To make any progress, intellectually, your comfort zone must be pushed, and I do so love to make people uncomfortable with their ideals.

You can lend credibility wherever you want, but none of you have addressed the content of my argument. You bring up new faults. You bring up new problems. Not single one of you will reflect inward to see some more. I never said Mahz was perfect or even that his actions are correct; I said that he was a "mother fucking" adult - there's a difference in there. Dance around the points as much as you want, attack them, degrade them, do whatever, but unless you address them, you're not even past the first step of solving them.
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If you want to help him, get off this thread, get off my back, stop sucking off Jorick and go DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE.

To spin this offensive, arrogant, entitled little tirade of self important. Stop sucking off Mahz, stop getting on peoples back over legit complaints and DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE, Prince.

See?
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Lack value to organisation and focus? As if that really means anything? And that a new thread should be started to satisfy your craving lust for said organisation and focus? Eh?

And your response to my actual linking of your oh so precious, organised and focused list for a thread addressing all of the site's issues is for you to say you're just playing devil's advocate and how you enjoy making people uncomfortable? ...what? Oh! I get it. You're cute. :)

And yes, Mahz is a "motherfucking adult". He can do whatever the hell he wants with this site, whether he be seeking to fix issues, get help, or absolutely nothing at all. The best way for this thread to progress, like I said, is for him to come back into this thread and state what he intends to do, whether that's something or nothing at all. It would progress or end this thread just like that. He can speak for himself, he doesn't need you to. You going around telling people what to do, feel or how to act, isn't contributing anything.
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To spin this offensive, arrogant, entitled little tirade of self important. Stop sucking off Mahz, stop getting on peoples back over legit complaints and DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE, Prince.


Would be valid, but look at my viewpoint throughout the entirety of the thread. I have always favored a plight that the Guild is not dying, to lay off Mahz and to be productive ourselves. I am the voice of such. Your point is moot given the status of my argument isn't made with the same structure as yours.

So, no, I see nothing. I see you attempting to spin what you called "offensive and arrogant" without at all understanding the structure of what's going on. That statement isn't applicable to me. I said, for legit complaints, to make a structured, organized method of discussing them. I never scrutinized legitimate criticism; in fact, I support it. I never said I'm willing to do anything productive, either. I jumped on this thread to answer a problem, read some comments and chime in. I know, as anyone with keen observational skills should, that when the time comes to be productive on the Guild, I will lend my skills and resources then, however I can. Likely, I'll do nothing more than advise anyone - if that. Not everyone is a fan of my vulgar methods.

Try again.
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Whoa fuck this whole argument. Pachamac just called me cute.

Wanna go for some coffee? My treat! :D
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Prince said
And instead of requesting permission to help, I offer methods for you guys to do it now


''Bah, this thread is pointless! Let me show how it's pointless by saying it...and then sticking around.''

Prince, your acting more immature then a kid in a candy shop. If your this ''Realistic Pragmatist'' get off your ass, get over to Mahz and help him..

Please. Prove us all wrong. I dare you.
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Okay, thread's outlived its usefulness now.
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