Fate/Renegade Star [Fate/stay night Roleplay]

[SevenStormStyle]

As someone who has seen all of F/Z and all of the first season of 2014 F/SN, I now realize just how much of this is never mentioned in the anime. Anyone who doesn't put in the effort to do research is going to be very inaccurate and unprepared indeed. :S

[Crimson Raven]

At the request of the Tentacle GM-chan, I'm doing a thing.

Alright, let's do our best!

*Ahem*

@Crimson Raven

Alright, hello hello~

Now then, is everyone properly seated~? Rise, bow, sit. "Good morning~"

Ah, ah, sorry, I'm not making much sense, am I?

You'll have to forgive me for that. It's not my fault, is it? After all, this is the point of collapse to stagnation, where logic stops being self-consistent, riiiiiiiiight~?

Eh? You don't know what I'm talking about? Keh, useless. Hilariously, incomprehensibly useless.

Well then, let's cut the trash and get to the trash.

It's worth noting that, because of edits made to this CS and the fact that I'm not tearing into the raw, uncensored meat of it, I'm only able to exercise 70% of my power. Regardless, I hope you enjoy, you shameless dog~

Review for Basakah

Review

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Ah yes, I remember that time he went crazy in battle. Or all those times he made swords without reason.

What do you mean "shape the metal"? I just pound it into random shapes while screaming unintelligibly.

Truly a genius among geniuses.

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Absolutely disgusting.

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So um, I could say a lot about the image you put here, but I won't.

Instead, I'll just include this link.

Reverse image search is neat.

I hope you can think about your actions and make an attempt to repent.

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Right. I remember how a swordsmith carries multiple swords on his person.

Do you even know how unwieldy that is? This isn't Final Fantasy, or that one Satanic Chinese cartoon with the dude with the belts.

This is the Age of Man, you know. The laws of physics have been solidified.

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This fucking alignment.

Not only is it that alignment, but it's on a Berserker. Do you know what Berserkers are?

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How is he able to-

Okay, yeah.

Okay, yeah.

OKAY. YEAH.

It appears that you don't know what Berserkers are.

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...th-that's...

...that's it?

You know the bio is supposed to be a bio, right? You're either supposed to explain the history of your Servant if you're adding particular nuances into it, or just link to Wikipedia or something if you're staying orthodox.

If you're going to say he can do any of the bullshit below (which I will be addressing, trust me) then at least mention it here.

"Oh, he was born to a magus family" or "He was part demon all along :OOOOOOOOOO" or something. Granted, that'd be every bit as nonsensical as the rest of the sheet, but at least then there's something.

At least then the bio isn't "no1 nows".

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Oh, okay.

Yeah, I remember when Muramasa created infinite katanas.

That was the beeeeeest paaaaaaart.

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...alright, pal, I'm going to level with you.

D rank STR is about equivalent to a tank shell. A modern day tank shell.

A rank STR? That's where you can punch a house lazily and it will be destroyed. I don't mean collapse because you destroyed the supports, I mean destroyed.

Let's look at Servants who have A rank STR at base. I'm disregarding GO because info on Servants is incomplete and it will be until we get Grand Order Materials, just for the record. The Servants who have A rank STR are:

Arturia, on account of having a dragon crammed inside of her.

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And that's it.

There is one canon Servant with A rank STR at base, and it is a Saber class Servant who is a dragon.

"But Heracles has A+"

No he doesn't.

No He Doesn't

He has B+, and Mad Enhancement raises it by one rank to A+.

Heracles has a STR of B that he has the ability to increase for a single moment. That means that most of the time, his STR is functionally B. Ranks are constant, modifiers are instantaneous and temporary.

So, I'll try and put this in terms you can hopefully understand.

You are saying a guy who did nothing except make swords is strong enough to out-arm-wrestle Heracles.

Clear enough?

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Alright. So.

Endurance isn't Endurance.

Endurance is CON. It's HP. It is your HP stat. They translated END wrong. If you look at True Assassin's status page on the VN END is actually "CON," which is HP.

You are saying he has B rank Endurance. Heracles also has B rank Endurance.

Cu Chulainn has C rank.

How does a guy who did nothing relevant to fighting, ever, have HP that high?

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...what?

This is the most incomprehensible bit yet.

What?

Herc doesn't have A rank AGI.

Super Saiyan Arturia doesn't have it.

You know what sort of Servants have it? The fastest class of Servants. Examples include "fastest Heroic Spirit of all time" Cu Chulainn, "swordsmanship that enters the realm of the gods" Not!Kojiro, and "literally fucking Achilles" Achilles.

Why

Does

A

Swordsmith

Have

That

Level

Of

Reaction

Time

Tell me.

TELL ME.

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???

What does focus have to do with the MAN stat? MAN is just how much prana the Servant can store.

I don't have any more words for this. I'm just confused.

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Luck isn't Luck. Luck is "capacity to resist fate".

When did he do anything that can be indicative of resisting his fate?

He made some swords and then he died. Unless his fate was to "live forever and conquer Mercury while waifu-ing ORT-tan", in which case he did a great job of resisting it.

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Alright, have you read FSN?

Have you watched the anime, at least?

The anime isn't this bad.

The fucking Type-Moon wiki isn't this bad.

THIS ISN'T A CLASS SKILL.

BERSERKERS HAVE ONE CLASS SKILL.

MAD. ENHANCEMENT.

THAT IS THE CLASS SKILL ALL BERSERKERS GET BECAUSE IT IS A COMPONENT OF THE CLASS CONTAINER THEY ARE STUFFED INTO AFTER THE GRAIL MAKES THEIR SHITTY HALF-RATE DATA COPY AND SHOVES IT INTO A SPIRITUAL CORE BEFORE THE BODY BECOMES A THING.

AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE MAD ENHANCEMENT.

I'd make a joke about me having Mad Enhancement thanks to this trash, but I have more class than that.

You know, class?

Like the thing that you completely disregarded?

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Not a class skill.

Why does forging swords make you able to summon them?

Where are you summoning them from? Summoning requires a location, unless he's making them, in which case he's just a shittier EMIYA who makes infinitely less sense. I legitimately cannot make sense of this.

Also, I like how you say they're katanas, but then say that they can be any shape. Good job, pal.

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First of all, it's temperatures. You've made other mistakes, but that one really nagged at me.

Anyway, you should also know that practicing fire magecraft doesn't give you Protection from Flames. Protection from Flames is a different skill entirely. If you wanted to give him a minor Protection from Flames, say E rank, that'd actually be fine. If you tried to make it A rank or something, I'd be asking you to provide a source on all those times he tanked Dragon Breath.

Um, I feel like I'm forgetting somethi-

Oh, right.

Silly me.

When the fuck did he learn magecraft?

How the fuck is he using magecraft as a Berserker?

Berserkers do not use Thaumaturgy. You need to be an exception among exceptions to manage that, and sword guy with no mention of fire magecraft ever and nothing to even hint at that outside "he was around fire lots"? Not happening.

By that logic, Michael Phelps should be a master of Water Magecraft. He's not.

...or is he?

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You don't seem to know what mana is.

People don't have mana. You can't drain mana from them.

I'm not explaining this one, nor will I bother addressing other aspects. Try and figure out. We can play a game of twenty questions. It'll be great.

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This isn't a skill. This is an attribute of the swords. You could make it a variant of the Caster Class's Item Creation, sure, but you need to put it in that format, rather than his swords being a skill.
But, you know, it's kind of hard to make swords when you don't have rationality.
Also swords take a long time to make.
That said, I don't think his swords are unbreakable, on account of them existing and being broken.
You're also saying that the swords basically give him a Mad Enhancement between C and B (no, that doesn't mean C+. I already explained what modifiers do, look up). That's actually not horrible, considering that they're cursed. The fact that it's reversible? Yeah no. Also Mad Enhancement at that level makes thinking coherently impossible. You can figure out what that means, right?

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Oh, right. I remember the time that taking woodshop in high school made me able to casually dodge Heracles and Cu Chulainn's attacks without even trying. That was a great time.

No, seriously, what the fuck? "He's able to dodge anything B+ or below, and can maybe dodge things higher"? What the fuck is this?

B+ in a skill has a numerical value of eighty, and since you're not setting a condition, that means I assume it's off the concept of numbers.

That means he can dodge anything with a numerical value of eighty or below.

Here are the list of things that have a chance of hitting him:

Heracles with mad Enhancement
Lu Bu with Mad Enhancement
Kintoki with Mad Enhancement
Excalibur
Bellerophon
Via Expugnatio
Brahmaastra Kundala
Vasavi Shakti
Golden Wild Hunt
Hanging Gardens of Babylon
La Pucelle

These are the canon attacks that can hit him, and even then he has a chance at dodging. Why? Because he made swords.

If you cannot understand the problem with this, I have no words.

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So...no. Being a swordsmith doesn't mean you're a swordsman. That's not how crafting works.

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Weeb.

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Wait wait.

So, a range of "within line of sight" is actually fine, but it should be "Range: -"

My problem is twofold.

First, it's an Anti-Fortress with a Max Targets of 1. An Anti-Fortress is an Anti-Army maxed out. Max Targets of 1 doesn't make sense.

Second, it's a Max Targets of 1 "but has an AoE".

You know what "maximum" means, right?

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So, if it can theoretically hurt 2 people, then guess what? Its maximum wasn't one.

Wow.

Also "A+ to EX", but I'll get to that in a second.

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I don't think this was made for Fate. I think you came up with the idea and thought it would be cool and decided to try it here, like everything else in this app.

Well, let's go on the line-by-line.

What does "beyond god-like speed" even mean? That's just hyperbole for hyperbole's sake. Say that reacting to it in time requires an AGI check of some sort.

Also, I don't think you know how reality works. At its core, this is an NP that tears space. That doesn't make a black hole. It doesn't make a vacuum that sucks everything in but magically ignores the guy closest to it. This is literally just some dumbass thing you'd write down as an attack description in a video game.

Oh, yeah, also, cutting through dimensions? Yeah, that's a True Magic. You can't have that.

I also like how the class that lacks rationality needs to be in a certain state of mind to do this. Classic comedy.

I'm being brief because I feel a migraine coming on, and I need to stop this shit sooner rather than later because I have things to do.

The most important thing is what a Noble Phantasm is. It is a crystallization of the hero's legend, a crystallized mystery that symbolizes a feat.

Muramasa has one feat. "Make swords good".

He never cut reality and made a black hole. That's nowhere in his legend, so why should it be the crystallization of his legend?

You'll say that "I'm just taking liberties like Nasu". First of all, no. Type-Moon canon Servants do deviate from the myths slightly, but they don't make up completely random shit to empower people. Saber having an Anti-Fortress beam sword? King Arthur destroyed a fortress with Excalibur and "cut down 1000 men in one swing". Knight of Honor? It's the crystallization of a Knight not dying empty-handed, of innovation in combat being just as viable as preparation. And so on.

But more importantly, yes, the canon Servants have stuff made up in them. Gilgamesh in the Epic never shot out weapons from his treasury like arrows.

However.

You are not Nasu.

I am not Nasu.

The GM is not Nasu.

The creators of canon content have a right to declare the canon of the Nasuverse. You don't. You can't make up whatever the fuck you want like this, otherwise how is it any different from apping a completely original character?

This is trash. I've said that plenty of times here, so I hope you at least partially understand that.

Verdict: Nonsensical, ridiculous, and in blatant defiance of canon mechanics. There's no saving this, because it was ruined from the first premise. Denied with a disgusted sneer, an exasperated sigh, and a pouring of wine in the hope that I'll forget this sheet exists.

@A Cute Angel

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*sigh*

Lemme use a quote from Bob The Skull.

I imagine a Hell where all I do is add up numbers and try to talk to people like you.

Bob The Skull

Thank you.

I am withdrawing my interest for reasons that are brutally obvious.
Next time, think before you post. There is a much better way to point out mistakes than THAT.

I hope I never see you again.

Edit: Oh, and as a side note, a spirit's power and stats are based off of how famous they are. I'd say muramasa is damn famous.

P.S. Fuck You

[Kaithas]

I really, really, really hope you guys are happy.

[Crimson Raven]

*sigh* Now that I have had the chance to cool down. About that angry post. I'm sorry, I really am a mellow guy, if I say so myself. Just, I take no small amount of pride in my characters and well... I got my pride stepped on. I feel I owe some sort of apology, to someone. I have only seen Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night animes. I never knew there was so much more to the Fate series than that.

Needless to say, I am not going to continue with this.

[A Cute Angel]

Mmmm... Too far. Whether or not the profile is bad aside, that crosses from constructive criticism to needless brutalization. While skillfully done, I'll admit, that's not going to do anything besides hurt the poster and maybe lose the RP a player, rather than help him improve his original post.

Trust me, I know from experience. I nearly swore off RPing forever in a similar situation.

@Kaithas

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*sigh*

Lemme use a quote from Bob The Skull.

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Thank you.

I am withdrawing my interest for reasons that are brutally obvious.
Next time, think before you post. There is a much better way to point out mistakes than THAT.

I hope I never see you again.

Edit: Oh, and as a side note, a spirit's power and stats are based off of how famous they are. I'd say muramasa is damn famous.

P.S. Fuck You

@Crimson Raven

I really, really, really hope you guys are happy.

@Kaithas

You guys are acting like I'm supposed to be a decent person or like I'm the GM or something. I'm neither; I'm just an obnoxious twat who gets a kick out of being an ass on the Internet every so often~

Hell, when I run RPs my number one rule is OOC Respect, so from that front, if Tentacle GM-chan feels like banning me, I'll accept her punishment~

Regardless, you should probably not take my word as the RP's word. I'm just me~~~

Oh, right, on fame, you should know that the Servant is just a nerfed copy of the HS, so fame's mainly meant to let the Servant get closer to the original HS, the same as Staging Ground does. It doesn't mean that enough fame will let you go from normal to incredible, you're just getting back to the original. Of course, the living hero and the HS are different, though.

As someone who has seen all of F/Z and all of the first season of 2014 F/SN, I now realize just how much of this is never mentioned in the anime. Anyone who doesn't put in the effort to do research is going to be very inaccurate and unprepared indeed. :S

@SevenStormStyle

*sigh* Now that I have had the chance to cool down. About that angry post. I'm sorry, I really am a mellow guy, if I say so myself. Just, I take no small amount of pride in my characters and well... I got my pride stepped on. I feel I owe some sort of apology, to someone. I have only seen Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night animes. I never knew there was so much more to the Fate series than that.

Needless to say, I am not going to continue with this.

@Crimson Raven

Mm, well it's good to note that the adaptations of FSN are all pretty bad, mechanics-wise. Ufo looks nice, and as an anime it's good; as an adaptation it's pretty poor, though. Like I said though, I'm not speaking for the GM, I'm just speaking for me. Were I in a different mood, I'd probably try to help explain mechanics in a constructive way and all that, and I'm fairly certain the GM would as well. If there's something you don't understand mechanically, reading up on it is useful. The wiki, while awful, at least compiles most Servant information well, and the footnotes are at least better than nothing.

Regardless, I'm not in the proper mood to be a good person, so it's just me dancing around making an ass of myself. Hopefully the GM-chan doesn't get too upset~~~

[Psyker Landshark]

I really, really, really hope you guys are happy.

@Kaithas

I'm pretty fine with what's happened so far. No one said people in here have an obligation to be nice. Can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[Fish of Oblivion]

Not entirely fine with the way things were said, but the actual criticism was pretty on-point. Being that Angel fessed up to being a twat, not much I can say.

Anyway, just combed through the OOC so far to collect the various sheets:

Masters
- Vinny M. Chamberlain
- Josephine Lam
- Reisen Shibito

Servants
- Lancer/Myrina
- Assassin/Hattori Hanzo
- Rider/Cao Cao
- Archer/Caspar
- Saber/Beowulf

So with Crimson dropping, Angel's Caster not being posted yet (but apparently approved), and assuming that nobody's been a cheeky so-and-so and dropped without saying anything and barring any of these apps being torpedo'd, we need a Berserker and four Masters to round things off.

[Kaithas]

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You guys are acting like I'm supposed to be a decent person or like I'm the GM or something. I'm neither; I'm just an obnoxious twat who gets a kick out of being an ass on the Internet every so often~

Hell, when I run RPs my number one rule is OOC Respect, so from that front, if Tentacle GM-chan feels like banning me, I'll accept her punishment~

Regardless, you should probably not take my word as the RP's word. I'm just me~~~

@A Cute Angel

At the request of the Tentacle GM-chan, I'm doing a thing.

@A Cute Angel

Yeah bro. Totally acting like you're just you. Next time you want to give a scathing review of someone else's work because you're in a bad mood, don't act like the GM handed it down to you.

Were I in a different mood, I'd probably try to help explain mechanics in a constructive way and all that, and I'm fairly certain the GM would as well. If there's something you don't understand mechanically, reading up on it is useful. The wiki, while awful, at least compiles most Servant information well, and the footnotes are at least better than nothing.

Regardless, I'm not in the proper mood to be a good person, so it's just me dancing around making an ass of myself. Hopefully the GM-chan doesn't get too upset~~~

If you're not a good mood, don't say anything. Makes you seem nice even if you ain't.

Also, regarding loyalty to canon: Aye, the GM isn't Nasu. But for our purposes, the GM is God, Chuck Norris, and Super Kami Guru rolled into one. Canon is an idea made up by the brain for a particular universe, and this could be different.

Try a few more tildes. You'll feel better.

@Psyker Landshark Being a jackass is being a jackass. Acceptable, but mean. Acting like your word is handed down from the GM and being a jackass is different.

@Fish of Oblivion I'll admit the profile wasn't the best. That being said, Muramasa WAS actually famous for rage storms, and the anime is the only experience a lot of people have... So nailing him to the wall like that wasn't a good move.

[Fish of Oblivion]

@Fish of Oblivion I'll admit the profile wasn't the best. That being said, Muramasa WAS actually famous for rage storms, and the anime is the only experience a lot of people have... So nailing him to the wall like that wasn't a good move.

@Kaithas

Yeah, Muramasa could have made a good Berserker- I personally feel he would have been better off fitting the idea of the class, what with using the Mad Enhancement boosts to power up mediocre Servants. Mad Enhancement can be toggled on and off, so it'd be feasible for him to keep his sword-making abilities outside of activation, and it's not as if it would be unjustified for him to be able to use his own swords.

Can't debate the rest, really. Ya'll need to chill.

[Krayzikk]

To be completely, and brutally, honest... Yeah. Kaithas is right. Angel, in the line of acting through a GM's request, has been completely, 100% out of line. Brutally so.

Shamefully so, actually.

I'm working on a Master CS, so you need three Masters. Assuming, of course, the conduct of someone acting in accordance with the GM's will doesn't indicate that the people are going to be too much of a twat for this to be a chore rather than fun.

[Plank Sinatra]

Not entirely fine with the way things were said, but the actual criticism was pretty on-point. Being that Angel fessed up to being a twat, not much I can say.

@Fish of Oblivion

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Can't debate the rest, really. Ya'll need to chill.

@Fish of Oblivion

make that favoritism a bit more obvious, i think a few people who haven't checked notifications don't realize you and angel are sending each other PM smut

My Hider

[Fish of Oblivion]

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make that favoritism a bit more obvious, i think a few people who haven't checked notifications don't realize you and angel are sending each other PM smut

My Hider

@Plank Sinatra

yo chill, i can send you some pm smut too if you want

[HereComesTheSnow]

[Plank Sinatra]

good answer lad

[A Cute Angel]

Yeah bro. Totally acting like you're just you. Next time you want to give a scathing review of someone else's work because you're in a bad mood, don't act like the GM handed it down to you.

If you're not a good mood, don't say anything. Makes you seem nice even if you ain't.

Also, regarding loyalty to canon: Aye, the GM isn't Nasu. But for our purposes, the GM is God, Chuck Norris, and Super Kami Guru rolled into one. Canon is an idea made up by the brain for a particular universe, and this could be different.

Try a few more tildes. You'll feel better.

@Psyker Landshark Being a jackass is being a jackass. Acceptable, but mean. Acting like your word is handed down from the GM and being a jackass is different.

@Fish of Oblivion I'll admit the profile wasn't the best. That being said, Muramasa WAS actually famous for rage storms, and the anime is the only experience a lot of people have... So nailing him to the wall like that wasn't a good move.

@Kaithas

I'd explain circumstances, but that's effort and I don't want to bother taking actions that don't really serve any purpose; I'm fine with shouldering the hatred for this because I don't care. The character rending itself was me in all of my glory, the conditions that made it get posted, less so. At any rate, I don't see a particular need to stay quiet if it's just to avoid hurting feelings; if someone gets offended by what I say, they have no business being on the Internet. I don't know the people on here; I just know their posts. Taking things as personal affronts is just silly.

On canon, back when I was PMing the GM about my apps, we had a discussion about how she's evaluating/enforcing canon for this as a roleplay. So yeah.

It's not about tilde quantity. It's about how you use them. You can't just use bulk to replace precision~

To be completely, and brutally, honest... Yeah. Kaithas is right. Angel, in the line of acting through a GM's request, has been completely, 100% out of line. Brutally so.

Shamefully so, actually.

I'm working on a Master CS, so you need three Masters. Assuming, of course, the conduct of someone acting in accordance with the GM's will doesn't indicate that the people are going to be too much of a twat for this to be a chore rather than fun.

@Krayzikk

You're allowed to think I was being obnoxious, largely because I was. Repeating things that I already said isn't accomplishing a whole lot.

If you want though, we can settle this IC. Of course, no metagaming or anything like that, but if you want to make murdering Caster a priority, feel free; that could be fun~

make that favoritism a bit more obvious, i think a few people who haven't checked notifications don't realize you and angel are sending each other PM smut

@Plank Sinatra

D-Do you want me to send you some too? I...I mean, I'm not very confident in being able to write...th-things like that, but I can try my best.

[Plank Sinatra]

i take only high casual to advanced pm porn, i'm not sure you can match my taste for large yet perky paragraphs

[A Cute Angel]

I probably can't, then. I'm still new to that sort of thing. Sorry. ;w;

[Kaithas]

Yeah, if you had mentioned your arguments and reasons for doing what you're doing, in a calm, rational way, not in something that amounts to little more than a rant laced with random capitalization, anger, random insults, and generally calling someone an idiot, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Might I refer you to rule one of guild conduct.

1. Be cool like Fonz.

Don't be a flagrant d-bag. Don't spam. Don't advertise. Don't excessively flame others. Respect the community and the staff. Act like a civilized human being.

Being nice is on the rules.

[Plank Sinatra]

easy kaithas i haven't forgotten to check this thread yet

remember captain ahab was dragged to hell with his own harpoon

[Kaithas]

easy kaithas i haven't forgotten to check this thread yet

remember captain ahab was dragged to hell with his own harpoon

@Plank Sinatra

Can't be dragged to Hell, mate. Already there.