Alfhedil

Star Wars: Grievous Ascent

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The concept has been polished and lore-checked. I've just now started my sheet, but it shouldn't be too long before I get a presentable WIP up. I have mad my final decision on territory, however. I'd like to claim the Seswenna, Brema, and Videnda sectors if that's alright with everyone.

@Katabasis

These sectors are fine with me.

Star Wars: Grievous Ascent

@Raptorman@Katabasis

How are you guys doing on your concept?

As a general note, going to try and get the IC rolling tonight, everyone in the characters tab so far is good to post once I get the IC post up.

Time's are Changing - Steampunk NRP set in the 1800s

Wow... the monarchs are going to have a busy schedule with just turning down diplomats :P
In this timeperiod the European monarchs didnt meet personally with the diplomats of other countries anymore, they had a minister of foreign affairs for that. The only way to talk to a monarch as a foreigner was to be invited by them. Some countries were even so strict with this rule that the palace guards were ordered to shoot to kill... Ever fooled around at Buckingham Palace? Then you know what I am talking about.

Suggesting that the monarch would make time for you was rather rediculous because it would mean that you could make demands of a monarch and could get you kicled out of the country in Russia or Austria. Monarchs would only talk about diplomacy with their ministers, not the foreign diplomat. The only exception to this rule was if another monarch/president came to the country on a state visit which was agreed upon before hand by the hosting monarch.

That being said, this is ofcourse not a simulation of the 19th century, last time I checked we didnt have mechs in that century. But I just thought that it might add abit more realism if the monarchs are actually treated as such and not as a boring state dignitary.

@Zoldyck

Well, this is mostly how it goes for both nations, though more so in the case of Kzechverin.

Eisenkreis is surprisingly the easier of the two nations to actually get in touch with, and get to discussions. The Hegemon's Court handles most of the affairs that Marianna herself can't be bothered with, and if something is pressing, or involves the entirety of the country, she becomes involved directly. That's her style of things though, preferring to keep her hands on the issue and make it seen that the crown is aware and doing something about it. Foreign dignitaries aren't much of an issue for her, though with her past and all, I imagine there's an air of tension around her whenever someone from beyond the borders involved. That and I think Bavaria is still a little pissy about her retiring a diplomat early =P

Kzechverin on the other hand, is a nightmare of feudal bureaucracy and nobility, with diplomats often being bogged down in the particulars of who and why, sometimes spending months until they even see the person they needed to see. This is the interesting thing with the Noble Republic, in that while it is a democratic system, it is one in which only the nobility is in power, and everyone thinks they are important and need to be heard. Each of the twelve princes has their own court of dignitaries and administrators, shifting off to the other provinces of the nation or in other lands, and each of these administrators is assigned to particulars that only they are allowed to deal with. About the only way anyone gets a word in edgewise is if Csilla becomes involved, which almost never happens, or if Eisenkreis sends word ahead.

Suppose it's really more of the ruling style of the two monarchs, where Marianna prefers to retain direct control over everything and Csilla is pretty much what you would expect of a princess.

Time's are Changing - Steampunk NRP set in the 1800s

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They have been revoked. I have been quite tired so as I said I may not be in the best state to make decisions.

@duck55223

It's all good man, the RP will still be here in the morning.

Speaking of, I've got some plans in the works to get another post up in response to those who have either sent diplomats, or mentioned one or both of the dual-monarchy. So, get-hype :O

Time's are Changing - Steampunk NRP set in the 1800s

However, Taniel, Afhedil, and Wehrner, you all have a single warning. I was serious about the No argument in OOC rule.

@duck55223

I'm going to contest this for two reasons in particular.

1: At no point was the discussion between myself and Wehrner an argument. In fact, it was rather civil and we were coming to an amenable solution to an issue that came about purely by mistake.

2: Taniel literally had one post in the discussion, and the very first words were "Let's not let this get heated."

Time's are Changing - Steampunk NRP set in the 1800s

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Oh no. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I am getting 'some vibes here'. The "Actually do to points made to me by people I shall not name, I am actually very wary of you Wernher." bit actually got me to roll my eyes a bit actually. I guess I just like it when people tell me the why of things rather than say it's pretty much ok one post and then say that I have to redo the entire thing the next.

@Wernher

Or perhaps some people actually did have concerns about your nation, and rather than cause a scene in OOC, brought it up with Duck personally. To be fair, they would be well within their rights to, as I did have some concerns myself, but chose to keep them to myself and look to smoothing things over with history.

Time's are Changing - Steampunk NRP set in the 1800s

I'm going to leave it be then, but like I said, if you want to have some kind of interactions with either of my nations, please, say something first and talk it over with me.

Time's are Changing - Steampunk NRP set in the 1800s

Of course, thank your for the reply.

First, I think I can call with certitude the revolution to have been very, veeeery destabilizing for Europe as a whole, the French monarchy, having ruled for a thousand years, being replaced by peasants with dangerous ideas about kings and emperors having no right to rule over the masses.

In my opinion I'd think the revolutionary fervor would have spread to Eisenkreis as it did the rest of Europe but I can see the French interpreting this 'non interventionism' as weakness and a sign of submission, leaving Eisenkreis alone, if for the wrong reasons. It would also fit in history as to why the French survived without having its butt kicked all over Europe at the end of the war, without having to take care of Austria-Hungary, that leaves a lot more room to kick Prussian butt.

I do not know if I have a monopoly over the whole revolution business but from what I think, since you cover Austria-Hungary and this country was known for being a racial and minority powder keg as it was still an empire covering many minorities, that even if France didn't intervene the revolutions would have rocked the boat a lot in the form of smaller ethnic based revolutions in the balkans for freedom from oppressors.

@Wernher

I highly doubt this "revolutionary fervor" would have spread to Eisenkreis or Kzechverin, since both states came about in a revolution against the prior ruling caste. Thing to note is that if they were to go in against Prussia, Eisenkreis could have been called in to assist, and then your war would have stalled there in the Germanic region. That's fully up to Taniel, however, as he plays the German Empire.

1: A major war with France that occurred during the revolutionary era, caused by France acting paternalist in Europe and wanting to weaken Eisenkreis for the simple sake of weakening it so that if it isn't a menace now, so that it never will be (No matter how isolationist you might be, you are still a big chunk of territory with a lot of manpower.) The aim of that war would be to 'free the minorities of the balkans' and thus transform Eisenkreis in yet another minor german state with no power in itself. I'd like for France to have won, but that victory could have had no meaning, a white peace with terms that Eisenkreis never actually followed but that allowed France to say that they had won and turn their attentions elsewhere. (Exemple: France forces Eisenkreis to have a parliament... which fills itself to the brim with royalists at the first election since they think the King does a good job rather)

This is a decent proposal, though at this point in time, Eisenkreis is a stubborn and stuck-in state, much like Switzerland, and invading them would inflict some terrible losses upon the French. Beyond that, unsure why they would be seeking to "free the minorities of the balkans" as Kzechverin has largely been warring and bringing things upon themselves, through their attacks against the Polish, and even two separate wars against the Ottomans. Back to the point, I could see this as the most likely of your proposals, though more with a truce being struck since one side could not gain ground, and the other one refused to leave their own lands.

2: The idea of maintaining the status-quo in Europe gets Eisenkreis to remain neutral and pressure smaller german states to do so as well, with this the coalition collapses and Britain and only watch France from the other side of the Channel and not do a thing. Since the entire Europe doesn't league itself against France, France doesn't have much reason to go berserk and mainly concentrate its hate at the british (like always). Although I'll admit I think this is a boring idea.

Like the first, this one is very likely to have happened, especially with Eisenkreis holding title of Holy Roman Emperor for what it maters.

3: Napoleon tears Eisenkreis a new one and crumbles the entire thing into small republics easy to manage from Paris, the Eisenkreis nobility is temporarily exiled. When Napoleon dies and France almost goes in civil war, the nobility uses the distraction to make a triumphant return to their homeland and reform Eisenkreis without much opposition after a short interregnum, even more popular.

This one is highly unlikely, due mostly to the military power of Eisenkreis/Bohemia/Kzechverin, and because even /if/ they were to lose so handily as you propose, they would never accept such a peace. The region would be in turmoil, and consistently attempting to throw off French rule. When/if the two nations were to reform, they would also be completely different than what I've already created here, and honestly, that's pretty off-putting just for the sake of past interaction.

I'm not against past interaction, in fact I would encourage anyone to do so if they think they could do something interesting with an event between their nation and Eisenkreis/Kzechverin. What I am against, however, and the reason why I initially stated my objection, is to involve me without saying anything first.

Time's are Changing - Steampunk NRP set in the 1800s

Napoleonic and revolutionary wars, 1790-1815, plus I'd say that France would have strong armed Eisenkreis from time to time if Eisenkreis got involved in European politics: Wars in the balkans, Italy and so forth.

Unless you tell me that it would have had absolutely no involvement in the revolutionary era and would have mostly stayed isolationist afterward.

@Wernher

Apologies for not getting back to you sooner, but I wanted to be at a computer and be able to put things down properly without having to cut things short.

Biggest thing to touch on, was the dissatisfaction among the nobles with the Von Habsburgs' almost magical ability to throw Austria into almost every conflict in Europe, and the Thirty Years War was really the last straw for the removal of their power. Following the overthrow of the archduke when Bohemia became Emperor, Baldur Von Eisenkrern arose to the throne and executed sweeping changes among the government of Austria, changing it to the nation of Eisenkreis and putting forth a new policy of minimal involvement in the wars of their neighbors. Granted, this only extended to wars of aggression, and Eisenkreis would still rise to defend their neighbors in case of invasion, but it set a precedent for the growing nation. Later during the Revolutionary Wars, Dietrich Von Eisenkern would have held true to this policy, only becoming involved in the wars if they came to Eisenkreis soil. Now on the other hand, if revolutionary forces sought assistance from Eisenkreis, they would have given it in the form of equipment, or if relations between the two were particularly good, then they would have put troops there to assist as well. Despite being a long-standing monarchy, the Von Eisenkerns have always been ones for the stability of the European region, and if a revolution was aimed to bring stability to France, they would not have opposed it. Besides that, the French would have found it rather difficult to strong-arm Eisenkreis to war, as they are notoriously stubborn to move from their position.

As a last note, despite not being involved in any major wars beyond their immediate area, that does not mean isolation, as Eisenkreis has ties with the entire region, no matter how insignificant they may be, and freely trades with their cultural neighbors of Germany. Not only that, but they do trade with the Asian region, and very likely would have some kind of economical presence in the Americas(With Gowia's blessing of course).

Apologies if this seems a bit confrontational, just trying to clear things up a bit. If you do wish to have interactions with my nation in the past, then by all means, send me a PM and we can set things up.

Time's are Changing - Steampunk NRP set in the 1800s

As a question, when was this war with Austria? Eisenkreis has not been in any notable wars since their formation, and Austria hasn't been around since early 1600.