Andreyich

StarCraft 2: Insurrection

@Andromedai
don't disappear on us, this is the first Starcraft RP I have ever had and I don't want it to die ;_;

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I'm not dipping, just waiting for "muh moment"

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Way to miss the point, dude. Specifically the point that in Deadliest Warrior and other such programs they use cheap butted mail.

Still fallacious because you are trying to be and edgelord with a claim I get sourced by deadliest warrior and to discredit me overall which hasn't really worked.

Historical steel is not automatically crap because it's old. Historical steel was of fairly high quality, especially by the renaissance, and while we do HAVE better steel today, we don't usually USE better steel. Even the linked video's mail was made with steel worse than historical steel, because the guy making it is an idiot.

It doesn't mean that but it is generally true and one again, even if made better they would be much, much worse maintained.

Except they don't, they tell you to grab your sword by the blade and thrust with it. Alternately, it tells you to reverse your weapon and strike with the guard and pommel, but not with a zweihander. Swords are also terrible against armour just in general, which is why they were, with very few exceptions, sidearms. The zweihander was a primary weapon, but it was also a specialty weapon for defeating pike formations, as it was capable of knocking multiple polearms aside to the soldier could get past their points. It also only worked because the soldiers wearing them had plate armour and you can't stab through plate.

Oh but it does. I've done HEMA in continental Europe and Canada, you are explicitly told to go for a slashing motion at the armpits if they are not protected by the rosettes that came into use later. Swords in general were also duelling weapons often seen in conjunction with plate.

Oh yes, surely people actually trying things and them not working is less evidence than your completely unbacked word.

youtu.be/EDkoj932YFo?t=391
longsword stabbing through plate, along with grorious nippon steel cutting power elsewhere in the video. Because videos mean everything right?

Except that's not true. The tuck was designed for half-swording, it's an unsharpened, puncturing blade and it was used to thrust between plates, as it STILL couldn't penetrate them. Polearms can also be used this way, but the weightier ones were just used to bludgeon the target. As for lances, those are cavalry weapons. While I don't doubt that in some instances a lance might penetrate lighter plate, that's because it was being used from horseback and has an immense amount of power behind it, and even then it's likely the lance shaft will snap.

Oh but it is. It could, in fact and it did. If it was designed for half-swording it would just be a pick and the designer would be done with it. A two handed sword will be able to put more force into a thrust and certainly be better at penetrating through a man's plate. You're also ignoring my arguments, giving fun facts about lances whilst carefully skirting what I say and what I am saying leading me to believe you are a troll. If a longsword is able to be used as a lance for going at a bugger in plate, a zweihander is not so unfathomable.

Further, all full plate was made to resist firearms, firearms predate full plate. It also isn't that hard to resist them.

Now I am certain you are a troll, especially since I now see the few posts you have in the many days here and seem to not actually do shit on the site but this. Firearms were made in mid 1300s and could easily penetrate most plate they went up against, but were dismissed for proper combat (especially in Europe) until later in the 1400s. Meanwhile, breastplates and cuirasses of all sorts were made earlier in the 1300s and followed quickly with plate for the rest of the body, not to mention one-piece helmets being in use since long before.

I have never found a single source that ever mentioned soldiers without daggers. Not only are they invaluable tools, but grappling was common and daggers outperform other weapons while grappling.

Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it exists. A dagger =/= many types of knives a soldier can take as a tool and you assume that a soldier is going to be grappling. Standing armies would not find it necessary to hand out daggers like candy as you propose because if your various formation perform assigned functions they would find grappling even less prominent.

arrivederci troll

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1)And like that you've lost me. No, no they would not cut through mail. This isn't Deadliest Warrior, people aren't running around in butted mail made of low-grade galvanized steel. 2) They'll be using at least soldered and more 1a) likely welded or riveted mail, and you aren't going to cut those with any kind of sword. Here's an example of an idiot with a claymore trying to cut through crappy soldered mail. This mail is one step up from butted, and he barely damages it, much less "cleaves it apart". Welded mail was both more common and stronger, and the top of the line riveted stuff was stronger still.

3) youtube.com/watch?v=p_I_fkRngNM

There's more tests like this out there. Mail is by far stronger than people think it is.

4) And also no, you can't stab through plate. Not even with a zweihander

1) A stupid and silly comparison because in deadliest warrior weapons are often shown as weaker than they are, i.e. a crank based crossbow failing to go past lamellar armour in one of their tests.

1a) People had much worse steel then than now, with far worse methods of purification and such and it would often be too brittle or soft, irregularly shaped, much worse maintained and weathered, etc.

2) If that were true than fencing manuals and schools would not teach one to go for a slashing movement for the armpits that are typically protected with mail. Unless of course you are of the meme "European swords kill people with blunt impact" school of thought.

3) Yeah and I can post a video of a man using grorious nippon still slicing through plate armour, videos mean shit.

4) Perhaps not renaissance era cuirasses and such which were much thick and designed to take on firearms, but more traditionally medieval ones you most certainly could. Thus weapons like the tuc were formed. "...As armour improved, so did the methods of attacking the armour ... long tapered swords could also be used as a lance once the lance was splintered..." lances and many polearms being notorious for being able to give plate the old stab.

There's a reason every self respecting soldier carries and carried around a dagger or knife. If you can't go through the obstacle, go around it. Your points were all very good, thanks for those insights.

Also not wholly true, many soldiers were found without daggers and those that did often brought knives along to be tools, weapons as a last resort and not really brought for that purpose.

Warhammer 40k: Enemy Without, Enemy Within - an 'Ecclesiarchal' RP [Mature][High Casual/Low Advanced]

"Fear not! Their bullets stand no match to-" the Confessor shouted before the missile flew past the man. Well, they meant business that was for sure. You don't bring a missile launcher unless killing is your utmost priority. These weren't assassins oh no. These were people who only thought to kill Kliment. From his distance and with his rosarius he was protected more or less from the blast, but it was the last straw. His aged eyes saw red and there was an indignant jiggling of the chins as he snarled a little. He was about to shout "affix bayonets!" when he remembered he was not with Guardsmen nor PDF, so he had to rethink his course of action a little.

The fizzing of weapons only issued to Grenadiers or Tempestus also made somewhat of an impression on Horacio. For one, if it got past his rosarius (and prayers) he was probably going to be a puddle of sizzling goo. Even he recognized that trying to storm the position was complete and utter suicide so he had to be a little wiser. He hopped out of cover and unloaded his bolt pistol at them whilst keeping himself in full view to hopefully divert their attention before hopping back. After a few moment's wait he ran out but not towards them and took cover on the side of the doorway opposite him.

Once there he tugged at his shotgun and counted to three he once more hopped out and blasted at the upper torsos of the heretics. From this distance even the blackhammer wouldn't do much damage even to flak unless hitting exposed parts but it would 1) get attention away from his comrades again, 2) demoralize the enemies for a hail of bullets clanking off of your armour is oh so frightening and at last 3) perhaps detonate any grenades they had about their person, though he was not banking on this.

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@Wraithblade6
I was but see no openings that wouldn't logically end with "and thus Kurt lay there with his asshole stretched to the point of fitting a bowling ball in with the dark eldar around him giggling at the dead Scout." I can do that stuff but once again, Kurt's taking a passive role and I really feel anything I put would be redundant filler posting that would really be there for the sake of being there. There would be no interesting character interaction, no development of character theme or setting, little to no progress it would just be... there.

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@JaceBeleren
*clears throat with just a little too much hacking*

first off, dark souls has proportions just a bit wrong with them being just a bit too thick and long but that's not too much of a problem. One thing considered in any type of sparring be it fencing or unarmed is reach. A zweihander not only has considerable reach like a spear, but it is useful throughout (where as the shaft of the spear can at best be used as a staff which despite the shaolin monk meme was not actually a very good one) because it is a long blade. Now, many vidya have two handed swords as weapons that pierce armour simply because it is two handed. This is just stupid. The blade would definitely cleave apart mail, gambesons and maybe even lamellar armours of the east but never, ever would one slice through plate. In theory, one can stab through plate with a two handed sword, however the conditions have to be very much in your favour because you need to get your hands in a funny position from which your fatfuck sword is hard to move from whilst easy to parry. Instead one would like with a longsword try to either wedge it into the weakpoints of one's plate armour (armpits and such) or flip it over to use the crossguard almost like a pick to bash through armour. With a two handed sword however, one also can in theory used the weight of the blade to create new weak points. If using enough force in a slashing motion the weapon can whack off a visor on a helmet to make the face oh so vulnerable, or to remove the rosette thingies protecting armpits (no clue what they're called in English). HOWEVER, the zweihander is oddly placed in dark souls because it was actually used in the very late medieval/proto renaissance period where full plate was rarely if ever used and one could comfortably hack off arms or legs or even heads which would be more or less exposed; apart from a breastplate/cuirass and a helmet covering the top of the head/face one would not wear much armour as bullets by now made armour have to be really thick to have any sort of protection and was very heavy thus making soldiers not have enough many nor energy to carry more than that. In this time period where plate was even more thick you would certainly not try to stab through it.

You would not be worried about hitting your allies because you can simply hold onto the ricasso, or the small bit of unsharpened blade above the crossguard if the enemy or you have closed the distance effectively turning your weapon into a longsword.

They were most certainly used commonly by people and not just a weapon of elite forces, I would say the proportion of swordsmen to handgunners and pikemen or halberdiers would be 1/3 or so. The long/warknife or messer which is essentially a one sided blade zweihander was actually one of the most popular weapons of peasant revolts and insurrections, although some historians contest that this was simply because parts of Europe had a law that said a one sided blade was a knife and thus legal, allowing many types of swords to be made for preparation for these things.

Also, shit I have experience in:

Modern military equipment (not as much, only because I served [then deserted] and less than two years)
Any close quarters combat from ancient history to WW1 trench fighting (done HEMA, Fencing and took history in school)

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@JbcoolSorry, no ;_; I really can't think of what to do or say beyond "I stay behind the other not as fabulous cunts"

I promise to post in the eclessiarchal rp today though.

StarCraft 2: Insurrection

Badass Earth Edgelord

Name: First Lieutenant Richard Fleikhoff

Appearance:



Age: 61

Sex: Man

Class: Smith (Marine)

Equipment: UED model advanced Combat Suit (kept in near-perfect condition with his Lieutenant's barn on one shoulder and the shield of the Directorate on the other), C-150 Ronin Pistol and C-141 AC Gauss Rifle (basically the standard issue things a UED Marine would get) along with seven frag grenades. Also has a shank made from a hydralisk's claw that can be used as a shank or stuck on his rifle as a bayonet.

Tell us a little bit about your character:
He was born in the UPL, the predecessor to the United Earth Directorate in one of the few countries that was still not in the fold of it's nations where he was a career soldier and had happily married and had children. Eventually with the discovery of Protoss, Zerg and the revelation of the experiment to send all sorts of prisoners long ago and their arrival to Koprulu the UED was made, and the last few independent nations on Earth joined it. Richard joined the expeditionary force to Koprulu where he fought for earth and glory like the idealist he was.

However, the war got bad for the original Terrans and they fled. Richard did not make the evacuation to the battlecruisers but instead made it to some dropships which instead of going to earth went as far from the zerg as possible. Eventually he dropped off in Umoja where he ambled around as a bouncer and sat depressed that he would never see his comrades or friends again.

After a few years he got up and after some drunken flying left and right landed on Mar Sara, drifting about the deserts waiting to turn himself in to the first group that saw him be it the Raiders or Dominion. By chance it was the Raider's who took the man in and interrogated him as to why he came. He explained that there was nothing left for him, and he simply gave up on everything. Eventually, after much internal deliberation he agreed and grudgingly became one of the Raiders.

Now, he fights along the people he only a few years ago killed en-masse, although the Dominion is the same old enemy it was before. He doesn't have a single bit of the fanaticism and ideology of the other raiders, but in battle maintains a steady professionalism that got him to be a Lieutenant on Earth.

With the Purification Project on Earth there were no cybernetic nor genetic enhancements to be had, so he is in essence a "pure" human. However he does not lag behind the stimm saturated Marines of Koprulu, him being a career soldier, having a great and rich diet on Earth, so on and so forth. He has bouts of near suicidal depression and crying as his new home is "this God-fucked shithole they call Koprulu."

StarCraft 2: Insurrection

I just realized I forgot to post in the CS tab :C one sec. Also I'll increase my guy's age a little since the UED took thirty years to get here.